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21 Jun 07 - 09:19 PM (#2083623) Subject: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: frogprince My wife and I have had the good fortune, because of a family connection, to be able to spend a few summer days on Martha's Vineyard, affordably, every two or three years. Our primary beach there has been designated "the best strolling beach in America" by the Travel Channel. It has also had another pleasant feature. For at least forty years, possibly a lot longer, a section of the beach has been a no-hassle place to skinny dip, and stretch out on the sand and feel the breezes all over. I just learned that, this past August, the local authorities decided to save the world from all that sinfulness. They've resolved to crack down, and "end the misconception that this is a nude beach". Thousands of people have been relaxing in freedom there for decades, no harm to anyone. I don't know if that there is any real hope that anyone will cure the local authorities of the misconception that it isn't a nude beach. |
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21 Jun 07 - 09:21 PM (#2083625) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull oh. |
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21 Jun 07 - 09:30 PM (#2083634) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Peace "They've resolved to crack down" That means the pecker's up. Go figure. |
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21 Jun 07 - 10:14 PM (#2083648) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: katlaughing Drive over to Moonstone Beach in Rhode Island. Last I knew it was still clothing optional. The only time it is closed is when the piping plovers are mating and hatching, which is earlier in the year. Last time we were there, in the 1990's, there were folks swimming in off their yachts and then the townies, etc. all have a wonderful time. Sorry to hear the |
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21 Jun 07 - 10:58 PM (#2083670) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: frogprince Kat, I googled Moonstone; it has been hassled out of existence a few years ago. :( |
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21 Jun 07 - 11:34 PM (#2083686) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: katlaughing Well that's a downright shame. It was a great little beach and didn't harm anyone. Good heavens...hard to imagine folks so uncomfortable with their own birthday suits. We do have a vineyard here which hosts a nudist colony. Have not been to it, yet, due to health challenges, but those are now gone, so maybe one day when the high altitude sun isn't quite so strong, we'll mosey over and have a look-see. |
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22 Jun 07 - 08:59 AM (#2083929) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: kendall If God had wanted us to be naked, He, she, it,we would have been born that way. |
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22 Jun 07 - 09:02 AM (#2083932) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Megan L If God had meant me tae be naked he widny hae gien me sae mony spare tires. |
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22 Jun 07 - 09:04 AM (#2083933) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Wesley S At our age it isn't "skinny-dipping" anymore - it's "chunky-dunking". |
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22 Jun 07 - 09:23 AM (#2083955) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: GUEST,Elfcall Lethal US Sandcastles Elf |
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22 Jun 07 - 10:07 AM (#2083995) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: skipy So that's drivers, smoker, nudists and sand castle builders sorted out, whose next? Possibly "the quilters" Skipy |
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22 Jun 07 - 10:24 AM (#2084007) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Midchuck The membership of the Mudcat is composed for the most part of conventional liberals. The key belief of a modern (as opposed to Classical) liberal is that the government always knows best, and we should trust the government to take care of us because we're too stupid to take care of ourselves. So - in the words of an Ayn Rand character: "Brother, you asked for it!" Peter. |
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22 Jun 07 - 10:31 AM (#2084014) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Amos Peter: The key belief of a modern (as opposed to Classical) liberal is that the government always knows best, Fer shame, sir. What a gross generality, and how inaccurate. Have you been mainlining Coulter, Limbaugh, or Fox? A |
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22 Jun 07 - 10:49 AM (#2084028) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Midchuck Fer shame, sir. What a gross generality, and how inaccurate. Have you been mainlining Coulter, Limbaugh, or Fox? Nix. They upset me even more than liberals. Try breaking out of the liberal/conservative dichotomy and really thinking about the issues. This might help. You're somewhere in the upper right, and you're assuming I must be in the lower right, whereas I'm actually in the upper left. Peter. |
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22 Jun 07 - 10:51 AM (#2084031) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Metchosin frogprince, sounds as if you and Judy will just have to return to the west coast of Canada and plunk your sandy bottoms down on Wreck Beach. |
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22 Jun 07 - 12:26 PM (#2084125) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Mrrzy Americans are so Puritanical about their bodies it's a sin. I had a friend suspected of abusing his daughter because he didn't make her wear underwear in the bathtub! I am not kidding! He was actually cleared, which is also rare, but I mean really - a dad can't give his daughter a bath without her wearing underwear? What would THAT teach her? |
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22 Jun 07 - 12:59 PM (#2084163) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Stilly River Sage Depends on whether she is three or thirteen. . . |
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22 Jun 07 - 02:51 PM (#2084272) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: frogprince Metchosin, no argument there; where do you think our sandy bottoms spent the afternoon the day before we met you and yours? :) ('scuse me, I mean met your family, not met your sandy bottom :)) Wreck beach is mellow, too; but the Vineyard beach was convenient for us a lot more often. Dean |
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22 Jun 07 - 03:56 PM (#2084325) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Bert ...hard to imagine folks so uncomfortable with their own birthday suits... I guess they were born with clothes on. |
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22 Jun 07 - 05:40 PM (#2084412) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Donuel In America there are millions of things that are illegal to do in the privacy of your own home. There are even more outside. |
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22 Jun 07 - 06:06 PM (#2084436) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: katlaughing It's not at a beach, but Orvis Hot Springs is also clothing optional. Only about an hour or so down the road from us! |
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22 Jun 07 - 07:20 PM (#2084477) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: GUEST,Mrr She was 3. |
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22 Jun 07 - 08:37 PM (#2084518) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Bee-dubya-ell Most of the people who complain the loudest about nude beaches probably don't go to the beach at all, much less go through the trouble of hiking out to the remote stretches where nude beaches typically are located. |
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22 Jun 07 - 09:07 PM (#2084533) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Don Firth Sorry, Midchuck, but I knew Jerry Pournelle back about the time he cobbled together that chart, and I know a bit about his thought processes back then. That was before he moved to California and became a well-known science-fiction writer. We used to run into each other a lot at the Blue Moon Tavern (a most famous watering-hole in Seattle's University District). It's a bit better than the usual "Left-Right continuum," but not much. It doesn't have anywhere near enough possible coordinates to locate someone on the basis of their beliefs. Hardly reliable. You'd have to have something at least three-dimensional. Don Firth |
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23 Jun 07 - 12:21 AM (#2084595) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Mickey191 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone-somewhere- is having a good time. |
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23 Jun 07 - 01:54 AM (#2084616) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: SharonA It could be worse... They could be at Surf City, New Jersey where life isn't just a beach, it's a blast! |
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23 Jun 07 - 10:37 PM (#2085295) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: The Fooles Troupe "puritanism: The haunting fear that someone-somewhere- is having a good time" Actually that should be Puritanism: The obsessively haunting fear that someone ELSE - somewhere - anywhere - MAY be having a good time... or at, least, better than they are... :-) |
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23 Jun 07 - 10:48 PM (#2085300) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: frogprince Foolestroupe, for a fact, I've met a couple of people so puritanical that they they were really uncomfortable with the idea that they might have a good time. One said he could never go roller skating, as he could see no reason to do that except to enjoy it, and that wasn't an appropriate reason for a Christian to do anything. (Yes, I think he was crazy). |
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23 Jun 07 - 11:07 PM (#2085311) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: JennyO *sings* Ya cain't roller skate in a buffalo herd, Ya cain't roller skate in a buffalo herd, Ya cain't roller skate in a buffalo herd, But you can be happy if you've a mind tooooo... Ah yes, I grew up under the influence of the Methodist Church, where one of the unwritten commandments was definitely "Thou shalt not have fun!" No alcohol, no dancing on a Sunday - or anything else except going to church, having Sunday dinner and doing "the work of the Lord" :-( I think they've loosened up somewhat since I was a kid though - since they became the Uniting Church. One of my best friends who is an ordained minister is a folkie who's quite happy to sing about "three drunken maidens" and enjoys her Guinness. She's married to a Morris dancer. |
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23 Jun 07 - 11:24 PM (#2085318) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: frogprince Methodist have, fortunately, come a long way from the days of no gold wedding rings, no reading the comic section on Sunday, etc.. I just wish they (speaking of the U.S. Church) could get out of the middle ages regarding homosexuality. I do know one Methodist who was once a Baptist. When he was a Baptist, he disagreed with the church's prohibition of dancing. Then the church he attended dropped that prohibition. So he quit them and became a Methodist. He said that the Baptist church shouldn't have relaxed their standards. Again, just a crazy individual, not the fault of any church. |
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23 Jun 07 - 11:34 PM (#2085319) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: GUEST,nudey folky WEB CAMS !!!!!! |
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24 Jun 07 - 12:11 AM (#2085325) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: katlaughing The Methodist church here actively advertises as "all-inclusive" including showing same-sex couples in their ads. |
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24 Jun 07 - 03:57 AM (#2085383) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: JennyO I think the Uniting Church here is pretty relaxed these days about homosexuality - especially in the city. In fact, they always have a float in the gay and lesbian Mardi Gras. |
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24 Jun 07 - 03:41 PM (#2085807) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Big Al Whittle when I was young I was a deck chair hire man for a couple of seasons. As you wander up and down , you wonder what these little genitals have done to deserve being mewed up in nylon and lycra - denied the smallest peep of the sunshine. I came to the conclusion that things should stay as they are, otherwise the swimming costume industry would collapse. |
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24 Jun 07 - 10:41 PM (#2086060) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: Bee Given the bizarre choices in swimwear a woman of even reasonable amplitude is given, I would be thrilled to see the swimwear industry collapse. If people actually saw more naked bodies, perhaps they'd be less assinine regarding them. |
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24 Jun 07 - 11:03 PM (#2086076) Subject: RE: BS: Obit: one small freedom From: The Fooles Troupe frogprince He's an 'anti-hedonist'... |