05 Jul 07 - 01:46 PM (#2094863) Subject: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: Richard Bridge I've drawn a blank searching for this and I said I'd try to get the words for "Cruel Folk" (see their myspace -- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=71647195 -- the blickifier is on the blink right now). The only person I ever heard sing it was Paul Hurst - formerly of Kiss teh Tarmac, but it was after the demise of Kiss the Tarmac and so far John Barden's capacious memory (nearly as good as his bottomless pint glass) has yielded no secrets. Anyway, plot is seducer seduces rich daughter of man with castle and treasure, and persuades her to abscond with him bringing with her much of daddy's treasure. Having got the treasure (and presumably the nookie too) he takes all her clothes and sends her back to her castle either to freeze to death or to knock on the door and wake up her now treasureless and probably rather cross father, stark naked, seduced, and broke. Her brothers decide this was not nice and pursue the seducer, and catch him, whereupon they give him a good kicking - and then comes the nice (nasty) touch and I can remember some of the words-- "twain brake his arms and twain brake his legs and twain brake his collarbone" thenthey prop himup against a tree, and set out the stolen treasure before him on their sister's cloak - and I think set candles or lanterns - urge him to behold it and here comes another lovely touch, tell him "guard it well from the wolves this night" OK, who can come up with title, melody, recording artist, and recording? |
05 Jul 07 - 02:14 PM (#2094879) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST,Russ Martin Carthy also does it. I think he calls it "Young Edward." Russ (Permanent GUEST) |
05 Jul 07 - 02:19 PM (#2094882) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST,Russ OOPS! Try "Death of Young Andrew" on "Because It's There." Russ (Permanent GUEST) |
05 Jul 07 - 02:22 PM (#2094883) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: The Borchester Echo Sounds more like Young Andrew, Child #48. Young Edward is about dead dogs. |
05 Jul 07 - 02:43 PM (#2094903) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST Young Andrew in the Digitrad. In that version, she dies and the wolves get him. |
05 Jul 07 - 02:55 PM (#2094913) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST,Noreen Yep, it's Young Andrew (Child #48), with brothers and revenge spliced from elsewhere. |
05 Jul 07 - 02:56 PM (#2094915) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: Richard Bridge Clearly the same story - and reading it some of the lines are the same or similar - but the lines I remember so clearly are not there, nor those two lovely twists in the story. Yes, the woman might have died in the version I heard too, and the bit about the vexed father sounds familiar - but it's not quite the same. Have you got the Carthy words, Russ? It's a good possibility because Paul was a Carthy addict (wise man) |
05 Jul 07 - 03:01 PM (#2094920) Subject: Lyr Add: DEATH OF YOUNG ANDREW (from Martin Carthy From: Richard Bridge Ah-hah Here are the Carthy words, and they are the ones. ^^ One night as I lay on my bed A dreadful draught of sleep I drew For I dreamed as all the trees turned brown That I saw the death of young Andrew For the moon shone bright and it give good light Welcome she rise my honey my sweet For seven long years you have been gone I thought chance was we'd never more meet And he's ta'en her all in his arms And there they kissed both cheek and chin And they loved sweet and they loved long Before that one was two again And O my love and sweet my love And dear my love if you love me Go fetch me some of your father's gold The time has come that we was away Now she's run down to her father's hall For well she knew where his good gold lay So swiftly she's returned again She's counted it out all down by his knee For he's ta'en her by the lily-white hand And he's led her up the hill so high But oh the smiles they fell from his mouth As dark and grim there grew his eye Take off take off your velvet gown Deliver it here over to me For I've a love in a far far land That I love far far more than thee Take off take off your silken robe Deliver it here over to me For I've a love in a far far land And I've been too long gone from she But O my love and sweet my love And love Andrew that lay with me You loved me sweet and you loved me long So why do you now love betray But he's drawn out his good long sword And he's placed it twixt her nose and her chin Cries You may die on the point of this Or you may run naked home again And oh the bitter tears down fall As down her clothes fell at his feet And her body lately so deep in love A hiding place from shame did seek And there she's stood at her father's door She's naked as the day she's born Oh rise rise and let me in For the night winds whip me to the bone But up and spoke her own father All where he lay in his high bedroom Oh that thief and whore is at my door Let no-one rise and let her in But when he's waked in the bright morning And all the birds began to sing He's spied his daughter lying dead She's dead and cold as any stone And oh the bitter tears down fall And seven sons stood all around Crying Why's our sister lying dead And why did you not let her in And they have sworn a solemn oath And they have sworn by earth and sky That they would take this young Andrew That he would wish for the day he'd die And up they rose these seven brothers And they chased him deep into Wales There they caught him by such a wile That now he must tell no more such tales For there he stood this young Andrew Like any fox they ringed him round Crying We've not come for our father But for the sister you done down Two of them they broke his legs And two of them broke his collar bone And two of them broke his two arms They leaned him back all against a stone And up and rose the eldest one Saying See the pity we show thee For you ne'er shed our sister's blood So we'll not do that unto thee And they took up their father's gold And they laid it out in young Andrew's sight Saying, Guard this well ye young Andrew Defend it well from the wolves tonight And they have left this young Andrew As naked as the day he's born Saying Men will strip you to the skin But the wolves will strip you to the bone |
06 Jul 07 - 07:59 AM (#2095524) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST,Noreen That taught him a lesson! |
06 Jul 07 - 08:03 AM (#2095526) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: greg stephens I think dad deserved a bit of a slap on the wrist too. |
06 Jul 07 - 09:04 AM (#2095554) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST,Russ I've always really liked Carthy's version. Song has an excellent body count and the revenge motif works for me. But I've never learned it. Martin's tune is a bit vague and I can't think of many situations where it would be just the right song to sing. Russ (Permanent GUEST) |
06 Jul 07 - 09:27 AM (#2095580) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: Noreen Think of it from dad's point of view Greg- single parent, struggling to bring up eight children on his own, has his hard-earned savings stolen, gets woken up in the middle of the night... (sorry! :0) ) |
09 Jul 07 - 02:11 AM (#2097452) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: Muttley Are there chords for this thing - I love revenge songs (LOVE the likes of "Long Lankin" and "Sir James the Rose" Is there a Midi for the tune? or a recording I can access? Muttley |
09 Jul 07 - 04:11 AM (#2097516) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST,PMB They didn't go far enough. They should have got an ASBO for Young Andrew too. |
09 Jul 07 - 04:17 AM (#2097520) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: Valmai Goodyear Come and sing it at Craig Morgan Robson's ballad forum at the Lewes Arms on 11th. November. And any other ballads of any length you fancy. Valmai (Lewes) |
09 Jul 07 - 10:14 PM (#2098300) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: trad 'revenge' song, poss Scottish? From: GUEST "I can't think of many situations where it would be just the right song to sing." I suggest at a Hallowe'en party. For adults.
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |