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26 Jul 07 - 04:39 PM (#2112060) Subject: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Penny S. Forgive me if this has come up before, but I've just had my credit card compromised, and though the company couldn't or wouldn't give me a clue where or how, my colleagues immediately named a local petrol station which has caught a number of local people, though without proof enough for publication. One added that her card company advises not to use cards at any petrol station. Where, of course, they don't take cheques. I did, today, as the cash machine charged for withdrawals, and I didn't have enough on me. It does open up another style of theft, as well. Lurk between the machine and the till and remove the £40 from the customer before they pay. Apparently, the scam now works with a chip inserted into the reader, which cannot be seen. Though in my case, the guy did flick the card about through the air briefly. He could only have got the PIN by electronic methods, as there was a screen, and my hand in the way. How does it work? Penny |
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26 Jul 07 - 04:44 PM (#2112062) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: John MacKenzie I heard a radio programme recently which reckoned that it's one of the main ways that the Tamil Tigers finance them selves. Apparently many Sri Lankans run filling stations here which they bought with loans from bent sources, and it's how they pay them back the loan. Giok |
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26 Jul 07 - 04:53 PM (#2112070) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Penny S. Interesting. Could have been a Tamil. Wasn't one when I went to buuy milk with cash to have a look at what was going on. It was a BP garage. (Theirs is a free ATM) Could there be a campaign to pay with bags of pound coins until the parent company sorts their act out? Penny |
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26 Jul 07 - 04:54 PM (#2112071) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: John MacKenzie 5p coins Matey :) G |
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26 Jul 07 - 05:06 PM (#2112084) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Penny S. Would that be legal tender? And I wouldn't want to anger the queue behind too much. Penny |
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26 Jul 07 - 05:11 PM (#2112090) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: John MacKenzie Probably not, unfortunately I believe that some of those stations have cameras hidden in the ceiling to get your pin number. G |
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26 Jul 07 - 05:47 PM (#2112121) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Liz the Squeak There is some obscure law that says it's illegal to pay for something with more than a certain number of coins (I think it's something like 27), but it's quite acceptable, if the teller refuses payment in so many coins, to walk out with the goods, having made a bona fide attempt to pay. Mind you, I've never tried it... I used to use the 'pay at pump' option as this meant I wasn't being overlooked by people in the queue or the teller. Trouble is, most petrol stations have removed that option, so now you have no choice but to go to the desk and run the risk of card cloning and PIN theft. That's why more and more retailers are using the chip and pin readers that don't require the staff to touch either the reader or the card. LTS |
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26 Jul 07 - 06:11 PM (#2112141) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Greg B Around here, at full-serve places, they take your credit card and run it through the 'pay at pump' reader. But then since they're to dad-gummed lazy to make another trip all the way back to the driver's side, they leave the card stuck in the reader until the transaction is finished and they bring you your receipt. Quite annoying. I often will get out and retrieve my card--- saves watching it the whole time. Once when I did this, the kid didn't see me do it, and asked me "Did I already give you your card back?" after he didn't find it sitting in the pump. His eyes got wide. So I said "No you didn't give it back to me, but I went and got it. Since you didn't know what happened to it that means somebody else could also have got it. I suggest you give people their cards back right away." |
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26 Jul 07 - 06:23 PM (#2112147) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Liz the Squeak These days I don't let anyone take my card away from me. If I'm in a restaurant and they take it to swipe, I'll follow the waiter and get it back. The only exception is in my local pub where they have a 'wall safe' for cards - you present your card, they put it in a wall safe and give you the electronic key which is then put through the till for you to run a tab. The wall safe is in full view of the bar and has a camera trained on it from the side where no-one can block it. LTS |
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26 Jul 07 - 06:30 PM (#2112152) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: folk1e If we all "played the game" it would soon be sorted out! Get a card that you only use for petrol, and if anything shows up on the statement the bank MUST cover the cost (until they can prove it was not a fraudulent transaction). Then when the "interest free" period is over close the account and go for the next "freebie". BTW my wife had heer card stolen whilst on a train ...... within 20 minuits of the train stopping they had got their hands on the money without a pin number ! |
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26 Jul 07 - 07:12 PM (#2112177) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: GUEST,meself Sounds like it would be safer to carry a wad of cash like we used to do in the old days, doesn't it? |
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26 Jul 07 - 07:43 PM (#2112200) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Sorcha Only if you want to get beaten severely about the head and ears. Other places too, probably. |
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27 Jul 07 - 01:37 AM (#2112339) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Stilly River Sage I received a strange phone call last week from a woman claiming to work for a New York law firm. She was looking for a woman who was supposedly my cousin, and she had my name and my ex-husbands names as people to call down here to try to locate this woman. She SAID that she used social security numbers to identify me as a cousin, which is just so bogus. I didn't ask her what numbers she had--I wasn't going to confirm or deny any she read so I didn't ask--I didn't offer her any information, and I got her name and number to call her back if I thought of anything. I ran her number through Google and it came up as a regular number for credit collection and bogus calls. You can actually report on the nature of the call on some of these sites for keeping track of annoying calls. I ran a credit check on my accounts through one of the big three agencies that same evening, and everything looks fine. I'll run another one in a couple of months. That call was just so strange that it seemed totally like a fishing expedition from a scam artist. SRS |
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27 Jul 07 - 03:35 AM (#2112376) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: John MacKenzie I had a call purporting to be from my mobile phone supplier asking if I was happy with the service, the ran a security check on my address, and then said they didn't have my date of birth, at which point I got suspicious and refused to tell them, the caller got quite agitated and I ended the call. A check with the recall on my phone told me the number had been withheld, so I guess it was a phishing call looking for more details so they could clone my account. So beware of phone calls too these days. Giok |
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27 Jul 07 - 09:18 AM (#2112556) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: kendall It's simple. Don't trust anyone! |
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27 Jul 07 - 09:30 AM (#2112566) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: SINSULL In NYC the gas station attendant would run your card through twice. You would sign your charge. He would use your signature as a template for a forgery. With the PIN system it can't be done anymore. I just received a notice from my bank that my credit card has been "compromised" along with a few thousand others. I am to watch my accounf until they replace the card. Not as bad as a friend of mine who received calls from the FBI and CIA that her identity had been compromised and her life was in danger. She and her husband had purchased a used car in NJ where the clerks had a scam going with a drug cartel. It made the front page of the newspapers. Last I heard she owned a tuxedo shop in Europe. A nightmare and she may never see the end of it. |
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27 Jul 07 - 09:39 AM (#2112577) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Midchuck It's simple. Don't trust anyone! Do you really mean that, Kendall? Should I not even trust you? Or did you mean, "Don't trust anyone you don't know personally"? Your wording is kind of harsh even for me, and I'm a f***ing LAWYER. Peter |
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27 Jul 07 - 10:19 AM (#2112619) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Liz the Squeak Aww Midchuck - he doesn't mean it, he's just being an old fart! But I tend to agree with him. Don't trust anyone unless they've given you reason not to disbelieve them. LTS |
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27 Jul 07 - 11:09 AM (#2112652) Subject: RE: BS: Petrol Station warning From: Backwoodsman I agree with Kendall. **Some** people are arseholes, but unfortunately they don't go around with 'Arsehole' tattooed on their foreheads, so you have to adopt the policy of 'Don't Trust Anyone' for self-protection. Gimme a dawg any time. BWM PS: I make an exception in the case of Mrs. Backwoodswoman). BWM |