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30 Jul 07 - 08:15 PM (#2115112) Subject: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned "In another blow to American freedom, among many other similar blows of recent months, the American War Leader, and who is now ranked as one of the most unpopular Presidents in modern history, has issued orders for his Nation's Internal Security Police, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to begin recruitment of over 15,000 informants to begin spying on their fellow American citizens...." "...According to a recent unclassified report to Congress, the FBI expects its informants to provide secrets about possible terrorists and foreign spies, although some may also be expected to aid with criminal investigations, in the tradition of law enforcement confidential informants...." http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/26-07-2007/95315-domestic_spying-0 "(2-13-06) In a recent interview with former KGB General Yevgeny Primakov made note of the fact that he and his erstwhile ex-KGB chums, Generals Oleg Kalugin and Alexander Karpov, along with the former East German secret police chief (Stasi) General Marcus Wolf, and, of all people, General Richard Secord had formed a new company headquartered in beautiful downtown Sophia, Bulgaria, with the name that sounds like Trans-Global Security Consulting Group Ltd. The purpose of this new outfit is going to be providing security consulting and, more specifically, training for the heads of what will be, in the post-PATRIOT III environment, the new political organization of the Neighborhood Watch Association, as well as training for the CDF (Civilian Defense Force) when it is fully funded. After their (Generals Primakov, Kalugin, Karpov and Wolf's) service to the Department of Homeland Security as domestic security advisors, Primakov was certain that they could get the job done: the job being to provide training as a de facto secret police or, to use General Kalugin's words, the formation of a new Gestapo in the United States." http://www.almartinraw.com/ (The East German Stasi. Very efficient mass-murdering East German secret police. They did their job by getting Germans to spy on one another. The man who ran it--Wolf--died recently, but he was hired by Homeland Security to set up the same system in America. Also in on the construction of the citizen spying network is Yevgeny Primakov, former head of the Russian KGB. Anyone see a problem with this?) |
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30 Jul 07 - 08:35 PM (#2115122) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Stilly River Sage As much as I detest the current administration, these lunatic fringe sources and an unnamed "guest" poster don't inspire confidence either. SRS |
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30 Jul 07 - 08:38 PM (#2115125) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Sorcha Right, Stilly. And, right, said Fred. |
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30 Jul 07 - 08:39 PM (#2115126) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Sounds like the next logical step in the grand plan. The irony is that the USA will finally become exactly what it has been warning its people against for the last couple of hundred years. |
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30 Jul 07 - 08:39 PM (#2115127) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: pdq Anyone see a problem with this? Nope. Now, go blow your nose with a cactus. |
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30 Jul 07 - 08:43 PM (#2115130) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: JohnInKansas So what's new about domestic informants? John |
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30 Jul 07 - 08:51 PM (#2115131) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: The Fooles Troupe "Anyone see a problem with this?" Nope - it's typical Cold War Propaganda - some people have the agenda to reignite Cold War, Nuke threats, etc... If this is the same anonymous looney by just another name who had no understanding of Science or Engineering before, citing from similar mostly unsubstantiated looney fringe sources as before, well it certainly makes a good SF story... reminds me of the Goof Ol' Flying Saucer Nuts... Of none of what I said means that it can't happen, unfortunately... Just ask Dr Haneef what Little Fascist Johnny and his mad mates did recently... Very little difference between their current behaviour and what happened in Germany in 1933... when the government overruled the courts granting bail to 'suspects' to lock people up again using 'Leglislated Ministerial Powers'... and of course the 'evidence' was all faulty lying BS... |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:09 PM (#2115141) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk For about 50 years the FBI was run by a paranoid lunatic named J. Edgar Hoover, a very sick man, a man whose instincts were anything but democratic in nature. I'm sure the organization that evolved under his guidance would make a superb Gestapo. All you would have to do is issue them the appropriate orders. Team them up with the CIA and you would have the most efficient and deadly secret police outfit the world has ever seen. All it takes is leaders with the will to do it. The Constitution will avail you nothing under the rule of such people. Remember the McCarthy era and the HUAC? They could ask you anything they wanted in their kangaroo court, and you had to answer simply "yes" or "no" or else you were held "in contempt of Congress". They circumvented the Bill of Rights. They can do it. Only question is, will they? If they do, plenty of ordinary people will cheer them on in the name of "national security" and "patrotism". I bet a majority would cheer them on or just stand silently by. That's what happened in Germany. |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:13 PM (#2115148) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Rapparee Efficient? The CIA and the FBI??? You're talking about the ones in the US, right? The FBI that infiltrated the Communist Party of the US and ended up informing on other agents that had infiltrated...? |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:29 PM (#2115152) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: The Fooles Troupe "infiltrated the Communist Party of the US and ended up informing on other agents that had infiltrated" Ha! You should read "The Illuminati Trilogy" - where they poke fun at that sort of stuff... and all the other 'Conspiracy Theories'... |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:37 PM (#2115157) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Sorcha Ask your local law enforcement officers about the FBI.....I'm scared of them just because they are so incompetent most of the time. |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:48 PM (#2115167) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned As reported by ABC's Brian Ross, the FBI has adopted a plan to recruit 15,000 covert informants in the United States to help keep America safe from terrorists, criminals, pickpockets, litterbugs, jaywalkers, people who cheat on eye exams, and other public menaces. At a cost of over $22 million, the FBI will train their new "confidential human sources" to become the Bureau's eyes and ears in every neighborhood. Their job? Reporting to FBI officials anybody "suspicious"... http://www.milforddailynews.com/opinion/x527476112 The program has a price tag on it and was reported by ABC news. I know it's a human reflex to deny the bad, but...this is ABC news. Repeat...ABC news, Brian Ross. Anyway, now that you've joined the "lunatic fringe" that believes ABC news, let me point out that this is 1) just the BEGINNING of this FBI program, and 2) "terrorism" is lumped in with other "crimes." Are you starting to have a problem with it yet? |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:50 PM (#2115168) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned The FBI is not incompetent. Cover story. Like the Democrats' saying they were going to end the war, impeach, etc. All bullshit, all the time. The FBI has merged with the freakin' Stasi. Incompetence is not an option. |
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30 Jul 07 - 09:54 PM (#2115172) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: The Fooles Troupe The Stasi was not incompetent? ROFL... |
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30 Jul 07 - 10:11 PM (#2115185) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned From the link above, the one that mentions that fringe network ABC: "...the FBI domestic spy program resembles nothing so much as the notorious STASI of communist East Germany, where as many as one out of every 50 citizens signed up as "unofficial collaborators" to spy on each other. But the FBI doesn't have to go so far back for plans on getting citizens to rat on fellow citizens. Saddam Hussein, for instance, had a very effective network of government spies, called the Mukhabarat. Or the FBI could set up the American equivalent of Saudi Arabia's religious police, a few of whom were arrested last week for beating a man to death after finding a bottle of alcohol in his apartment. Whatever they call it, the horde of FBI collaborators is one more assault by the Bush administration on the right of privacy. Unless Congress intervenes to stop it, the FBI domestic spying program will join the Patriot Act, the NSA phone taps and the Pentagon's secret "TALON" data base as one more assault on our basic liberties - all justified under the guise of Bush's so-called war on terror. ABC reports that there may be one consolation. Originally, the FBI considered putting domestic spies through the same training courses used by the CIA to recruit spies in foreign countries. According to Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, it's a good thing they dropped that plan: "U.S. intelligence officers abroad can use bribery, extortion and other patently illegal acts to corral sources into working for them. You're not supposed to do that in the United States." Which, of course, doesn't mean they won't. What's even more disturbing than the idea that the FBI would set up a huge domestic spying program is the fact that most Americans will probably accept this latest manifestation of the price we have to pay for fighting terror. In fact, the opposite is true. Every time we give up one inch of freedom, the terrorists win. Don't you feel safer knowing the FBI will soon have a plan in place to spy more effectively on the ACLU, PETA, Quakers, Moveon.org. and other suspicious characters?..." |
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30 Jul 07 - 10:27 PM (#2115195) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk I'd say of those organizations (FBI and Stasi)...they were and have been both competent and incompetent, it all depends on how you look at it. Incompetent in the details. Competent in that they usually succeeded in putting someone "out of business" when they wanted to. They generally achieved their objectives. This is typical of the largest and most powerful bureacratic organizations. They succeed not through efficiency, necessarily, but through brute strength and unwavering purpose. The Stasi finally failed when the very system that they served itself failed, but not before. There's a saying: "I fought the law and the law won." Why? Why does the law win? Not because the law is necessarily efficient or wise or particularly competent. No...but because the law is BIG. It's big enough to outlast and crush any private individuals who may challenge it...or get in its way. People would find this true, on an individual basis, if the law enforcement agencies and intelligence community in the USA turned their strength toward serving a quasi-dictatorship, just as they have found it true in any number of other countries. There would then be a number of choices, such as... 1. Go underground and resist clandestinely. (very risky) 2. Flee the country. (always an option, if you can find somewhere to go) 3. Join the forces of oppression (many would opt for that). 4. Try to avoid getting into trouble, be a good little worker, and keep your head down. (even more would opt for that) 5. Engage in open resistance and even violent insurrection. (Good luck! Be prepared for a short life with a violent ending. But, hey, you never know...sometimes such revolutions succeed.) |
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30 Jul 07 - 10:57 PM (#2115211) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Your tinfoil's too tight Little Hawk. The government program doesn't exist. There. I close my eyes and it just goes away. You forgot to put that choice on your list. It seems to be the one in favor here so far. |
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30 Jul 07 - 11:08 PM (#2115217) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth It was not unknown for there to be a meeting of a presumed communist cell at which the attendance consisted of a whole bunch of FBI agents, each of whom did not know about the others—and maybe one genuine communist. Of course it's the same anonymous loony. Dollars to donuts. Vigilance is prudent. But paranoia can drive you nuts (as our Guest of many names amply demonstrates). Hey, GUEST! There's something under your bed! And it's drooling. . . ! Don Firth |
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30 Jul 07 - 11:23 PM (#2115221) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned 1) ABC news tells the American public there is an FBI program which intends to recruit 15,000 "informants." Start-up cost $22 million. The purpose of this program will be to spy and gather tips about terrorism and "other crimes." 2) Firth joins the brigade of those who say it doesn't exist. |
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31 Jul 07 - 01:10 AM (#2115264) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Rapparee Oh, go away. You make me tired. I've heard this crap since the middle 1960s, and face it, 15,000 "informants" in a country of 300,000,000 amounts to...are you ready for this?...0.000005 informants for every man, woman, and child in the US!! And if you don't believe me, get a calculator and do the math yourself: it's 15,000/300,000,000, or 15/300,000, or 1/20,000 of an informant per person. |
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31 Jul 07 - 02:19 AM (#2115284) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Yes, Rapaire, that has always been the toughest thing about managing a really effective dictatorship. You need so many people to enforce it. So many carry-outers. If you can get a majority of the people to support the government, though, it's not nearly so hard. For that you need a supposed threat. A boogeyman. The boogeyman can be either foreign or domestic. To have both is even better. It can be done. You need the boogeymen. You need provocations (violent acts of destruction, supposedly committed by the boogymen). You need a state of fear, even panic. You need a compliant, subservient, bought media. You need ruthless men at the top. You need soldiers and police who will follow orders. You need a steady flow of fearmongering propaganda. Those ingredients have all been achieved in the USA already. The strongest thing standing in the way of such a takeover is the weight of past democratic tradition and free ideals in your society...and the presence of some, I should think in your government and military who are willing to defend it. That and common sense. The same goes for Canada. The same goes for the UK. |
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31 Jul 07 - 02:50 AM (#2115293) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned But see, this is just the BEGINNING of the program. And the economy is getting ready to collapse. When the soccer moms can't take the kids to the Olive Garden anymore, what'll they do to silence the little brats? Narking on a neighbor is a small price to pay for that nostalgic dining out experience. The budget for spies will be increased, and the competition for the jobs will be fierce. The cowards who have retreated to the hidey holes in Idaho and places like that may think it's not a big deal, but it is. The U.S. is overwhelmingly urban, and when the water is shut off and the food deliveries to the cities stop, just what WILL people divulge about their neighbors? First they'll tell who has guns, then who spoke against the govt., etc. And the cowards who think they're escaping this fate are woefully mistaken. Modern technologies can turn 15,000 frequently-updated inputs, cross-referenced with medical, arrest, driving, purchasing, internet, and television viewing habits into quite a personal profile. You're in denial, Rapaire. And you're a gun owner, by your own admission. They'll come for you first. Whatchu gonna do? Halliburton has built 10 million bed spaces in the last 7 years. You gonna slave away in a labor camp? You gonna be like those Jews who were stripped naked and marched up to the pits that would hold their bodies...just keep going along to get along? |
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31 Jul 07 - 09:23 AM (#2115455) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy FBI: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9kGT71H5MGQ |
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31 Jul 07 - 09:26 AM (#2115458) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Rapparee You have any idea how many guns and how much ammo is in Idaho? In this town of about 53,000 (hardly a "hidey-hole," being the fourth-largest city in the state [the Boise area has the top 3], a major rail connection and sitting at the junction of two Interstates with an airport that can handle 747s) the estimate is 4.7 firearms per PERSON. The FBI center here is, of course, training agents for deployment around the West, especially in Seattle, Portland, SF and LA, but that's all been in the local paper and the local TV stations, so we know their tactics and weaponry. No trouble here is expected because Idaho, as I'm sure you're aware, is a "Red State" and indeed is as scarlet as Utah. And the closest Halliburton buildings are at the old Minidoka internment camp, where the on-site managers say we can expect up to 25,000 tourists to come visiting from NYC sometime in the next few months -- they'll be taking a vacation on a genuine Idaho cattle farm, learning how farmers and ranchers work. Oh, in the words of the immortal Foghorn Leghorn, "Go away, boy, ya bother me." |
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31 Jul 07 - 10:00 AM (#2115488) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXWGPfibds |
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31 Jul 07 - 12:13 PM (#2115634) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk LOL! Well, this proves that there are people in this world who are considerably less competent than the FBI, doesn't it? Thank you for the lovely links, Mr Happy. |
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31 Jul 07 - 12:19 PM (#2115650) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: beardedbruce "Rapaire - PM Date: 31 Jul 07 - 09:26 AM You have any idea how many guns and how much ammo is in Idaho? " But isn't it the LIBERALS who are so gung-ho about eliminating firearms from private ownership, or at least making sure the government has a list of everyone who has a gun? I would think that there would be more concern of what a DEMOCRATIC administration, with a Democratic-controlled Congress, would do. THAT is the scary thought that keeps me wake at night. Just think of what they can do "for our own good" once they retake control. |
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31 Jul 07 - 01:01 PM (#2115708) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Bill D Oh, Bruce...we'd just make you part of a "well regulated militia"...you'd still have toys to play with....just not unlimited ones under your bed...*grin* |
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31 Jul 07 - 01:08 PM (#2115717) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk I'd be scared to think that either the Democrats OR the Republicans were about to retake control. They're equally untrustworthy. Perhaps Idaho might consider seceding from the Union? If it's any comfort to you, BB, I will NOT take your guns away. ;-) And I will see that you are not put on the dreaded "list" either.... ...that is...providing you stop posting those damned sonnets. |
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31 Jul 07 - 01:10 PM (#2115721) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Bill D Wow, Little Hawk! You're moving down here and running for office? |
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31 Jul 07 - 01:19 PM (#2115729) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk I would if I didn't love this country so much, Bill. ;-) Say, did you see that Foghorn Leghorn cartoon on the 2nd link? There is the most classically awful depiction of phony "Indian" behaviour on it that I've seen in a long time...this time on the part of Henery Hawk, the diminutive chicken hawk. Sheesh. Talk about offensive (and very silly)! The amazing thing was that such a depiction of "Indian" characters was completely taken for granted back then in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. I wonder how actual Indians felt when they watched those cartoons back then? It must have been a weird experience from their point of view. |
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31 Jul 07 - 04:52 PM (#2115925) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Report to headquarters: Mixed results. Some at the forum are of the opinion the spy program doesn't exist (Silly River Sage, pdq, Foolstroupe, Don Firth). Nothing need be done with them, as they are the type that will retreat to their "safe place" when threatened with reality. Other responses are of the acceptable "can't fight city hall" type, and a couple trivialize through humor. Our operative is doing his/her work well in this thread. He/she has not been detected, judging from the posts. The most serious problem area noted is in the thinking of Little Hawk. He has presented unacceptable options and will be monitored, but he is from north of the border and cannot be dealt with until Canada is assimilated. End of transmission. cc: the White House cc: the Clinton Campaign |
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31 Jul 07 - 05:10 PM (#2115943) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy GUEST,Concerned, '..........cannot be dealt with until Canada is assimilated.' Are you 'BORG' ? |
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31 Jul 07 - 05:25 PM (#2115953) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Rapparee "Concerned" is just 7 of 9. |
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31 Jul 07 - 05:28 PM (#2115958) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa The cartoons I watched as a kid (the above linked was one of 'em) were full of that sort of thing. I thought they were great, still do. I wouldn't like something made today with the same sorts of caricatures. I was, for instance, offended by Jar-Jar Binks. |
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31 Jul 07 - 05:33 PM (#2115961) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: SINSULL So why don't we all apply for these positions and hand in reports sure to get baby bush et al impeached. |
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31 Jul 07 - 05:55 PM (#2115983) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth "Nothing need be done with them, as they are the type that will retreat to their 'safe place' when threatened with reality." I have two comments for you, GUEST,Concerned: First comment— We happen to be the ones in touch with reality. You, on the other hand, are the one who is spending your life cruising the internet for the latest conspiracy theory (and some that have been around since Biblical times) and trying to get everyone else to join you in your paranoid fantasies. We don't care to join you in your padded cell because we're out here with our eyes open and our ears tuned to be sure we know what's really going on. And, believe me, there is more than enough to be concerned about without your running around shouting "Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!" Someone has to mind the store while you're cowering in the corner. That's what we are doing. Second comment— Take that whole sheaf of conspiracy theories and panic attacks you enjoy so much, wad them into a big ball, and stuff them up there with your brain. Have a rainbow day. Don Firth |
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31 Jul 07 - 06:11 PM (#2115991) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Assimilation is exactly what has been worrying us Canadians ever since 1812. Be advised that we will resist assimilation strenuously, despite the depressing presence of WalMart and other such corporate crap that has infiltrated here already. |
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31 Jul 07 - 07:23 PM (#2116021) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Bill D I love the logic... "you don't agree with me and SEE the danger, therefore you have been either 'gotten to' or are just too blind and careless to bother with'." You'd be surprised how much some of us know and follow, oh 'concerned one'. |
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31 Jul 07 - 07:44 PM (#2116034) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth Okay, GUEST of many names (in this incarnation, Guest, Concerned), I figure that you are either A person of the Neo-Con persuasion (one of those who thinks a dictatorship of the corporations—but, of course, don't call it that—would be good for this country and for the world at large), who wishes to discredit anyone who calls attention to the Neo-Con power-grab. The method is to spread so many half-assed conspiracy theories that when someone tries to get people to look at what the Neo-Cons are really up to, everyone else will simply write off their concerns as "just another of those harebrained conspiracy theories." [This, incidentally, is known as the "octopus's ink" approach to hiding one's true intentions.] or You are a morally challenged flak who is working for the Neo-Con/corporate coalition (Hell's Bells! Let's call it what it really is: Fascists!), and your job is to spread your wares over the internet. or You are a genuine loony. Frankly, I don't care which one you are. But to the extent that you get people to actually believe your rubbish and try to spread it around, you're doing a fine job for those who aspire to be the real tyrants. Don Firth |
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31 Jul 07 - 08:35 PM (#2116057) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: The Fooles Troupe Ya beat me to it Don... as to the 'competence of the stasi' I agree with Little Hawk. but from my viewpoint - if they were so competent, then the group they were supporting must have been dissapointed in the stasi's competence when the power structure collapsed, which if the stasi were 'competent' they would have succeded in holding up... |
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31 Jul 07 - 08:54 PM (#2116072) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Every system comes to a time when no amount of competence on the part of its security forces will hold it up any longer. A study of history will confirm that. Systems, like people and other living things, have a finite lifetime. Their future is uncertain, but one thing is certain...they will be replaced by something else one day. The less competent systems (and lifeforms) tend to pass away sooner, but they all pass away eventually. Yeah, I'm sure the East German leaders were perturbed with the Stasi's failures. The stasi probably felt the same way about the political leaders. Their time was coming to an end. Everyone tends to blame someone else for it when that happens. |
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31 Jul 07 - 10:19 PM (#2116113) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Okay. You folks caught me. I got Brian Ross to say that on ABC News. And I got the FBI to fib about setting up the program. I got the FBI spokesman to say $22 million would be spent on the program, when really we just spent a buck eighty-nine on a six-pack of cheap beer before we sat down to write up the news release. I also tripped up the Stasi and boy were they mad about that. They bragged that they had a spy in every factory and business, every apartment complex and housing project, but then I backed that dozer into the Berlin Wall and things just haven't been the same since. The Stasi claimed they were succeeding, and I know that people who were ratted out were "disappearing" right and left, and the country was committing national suicide by going into negative reproductive numbers because they'd rather die than feed children to torturing mass-murderers, but then you can't trust those lessons of history. Anyway, you caught me making up the cold war and all that, so let's get back to the ball game. Where's that pizza? |
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31 Jul 07 - 10:43 PM (#2116122) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie Froth, sarcasm is not really your forte, is it. You're not very good at it. |
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01 Aug 07 - 06:19 AM (#2116300) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: JohnInKansas NSA spying part of broader effort Intelligence chief says Bush authorized secret activities under one order By Dan Eggen The Washington Post Updated: 11:34 p.m. CT July 31, 2007 The Bush administration's chief intelligence official said yesterday that President Bush authorized a series of secret surveillance activities under a single executive order in late 2001. The disclosure makes clear that a controversial National Security Agency program was part of a much broader operation than the president previously described. The disclosure by Mike McConnell, the director of national intelligence, appears to be the first time that the administration has publicly acknowledged that Bush's order included undisclosed activities beyond the warrantless surveillance of e-mails and phone calls that Bush confirmed in December 2005. In a letter to Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), McConnell wrote that the executive order following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks included "a number of . . . intelligence activities" and that a name routinely used by the administration -- the Terrorist Surveillance Program -- applied only to "one particular aspect of these activities, and nothing more." "This is the only aspect of the NSA activities that can be discussed publicly, because it is the only aspect of those various activities whose existence has been officially acknowledged," McConnell said. The program that Bush announced was put under a court's supervision in January, but the administration now wants congressional approval to do much of the same surveillance without a court order. [note that technically even the names of members of the secret court are secret, and that only one person, hand picked by die führer appoints all of them, in secret.] So now we know that the Secret program to spy on us isn't the only secret program to spy on us, but that there are other Secret Secret programs for spying on us, but they only want exemption from warrants for the Secret spying. (And to pretend that Gonzales didn't commit perjury.) John |
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01 Aug 07 - 09:32 AM (#2116442) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Because of repeated implications here that the current administration is fascist, headquarters told me to administer the following test: Neo-cons are: A)fascist conservative Christians, B)Mucka-Luckas from the planet Zoid, C)Trotskyite communists. The correct answer is C, of course. I'll report that you all got it right. The neo-cons are Trotskyite communists. If you want to prepare for a possible essay question on this, just google up the speech "Neo-conned" or the name Leo Strauss. And on any future essay question, keep in mind that the enormous expansion of government under the current administration is exactly what the OTHER party is noted for doing, hence, there is no difference between the parties. |
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01 Aug 07 - 10:36 AM (#2116486) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy More covert operations here:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vmEzeqi2xD0 |
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01 Aug 07 - 11:51 AM (#2116543) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa Well, I guess that settles it. |
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01 Aug 07 - 12:56 PM (#2116602) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie IS there a Microsoft Word 2003? |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:11 PM (#2116613) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Holy shit. That is bizarre. I just tried it out in Microsoft Word 2001 and yes...the program prompts you to capitalize "Lucifer" (and all other proper names, I would assume, such as "Mary" or Bob or John...just tried Mary)...AND...get this: it prompts you to capitalize "Seeing Eye"....but not any other such pair of words. Here is what I typed and how the program prompted the capitals: I love god. I wonder about Lucifer. I also wonder about the Seeing Eye. Are Lucifer and the Seeing Eye connected? What about Mary? Here is the bouncing ball. Here is the waving flag. Here is the Seeing Eye. The program takes no notice of "bouncing ball" or "waving flag" but it does insist on capitalizing "Seeing Eye". Why? |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:17 PM (#2116615) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: JohnInKansas Product information for previous versions of Microsoft Office and related products. Existence of Microsoft Word 2003 is no secret. The location of the information that it exists is privy information. You'll have to die if you tell anyone how you found out. John |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:19 PM (#2116617) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie Good lord. #1: MS questions anything that is not in its lexicon of common words. Thus, Lucifer is not commonly used, plus a 'lucifer' is an old slang term for a match. #2: 'god' is not only a word for a supreme being but is also commonly used in a less ritualistic sense. #3: 'ball' and 'flag' are in common use. 'seeing eye' is not. For instnace, try using the term in conversation: the seeing eye. Huh? What else is an eye supposed to do? Therefore, MS concludes that Seeing Eye is either a trademarked phrase or is some other form of usage. My question remains: Is there an MS 2003? I don't think so. |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:23 PM (#2116622) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa This is starting to make me uneasy. |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:28 PM (#2116627) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Bill Gates' startup money was from IBM. IBM began as a way to do human tracking. The tattoos in Auschwitz were IBM tracking numbers. Hitler's Germany was just a turd on the otherwise smooth road of eugenics. The elite of the world were looking for a way to depopulate the mud races, and eugenics was the answer. It began in Britain, was developed in the US (Hitler thanked the US eugenicists in Mein Kampf), then it got ugly in Nazi Germany. But IBM came out of the mess okay, and they funded Gates and today the Gates Foundation is poisoning Africa with vaccines. In the west, the current depopulation movement is proceeding under the guise of "environmentalism." The return to mother earth (pagan sacrifice) and all that. Do the environmental catchphrases default to capital? Probably do, since the targeted group in the environmental brainwashing now is kids. Show them "Environment" long enough and they'll come to think it's more important that "god." |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:30 PM (#2116628) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Wow. I just tried it again and I found out something interesting. If you write "a seeing eye" (being non-specific about which eye you are referring to) then the program take no notice. If, however, you refer to the seeing eye......the program underlines seeing eye in a green squiggly line. You right click it, and you are prompted to one and only one choice: capitalize it to read Seeing Eye. By the way, this prompt only happens after you hit the Return key, initiating a paragraph break. That does indicate something. Something different from any other such pair of words. You figure out what. Another example: The bouncing ball is here. The Seeing Eye is here. The running dog is here. Only the Seeing Eye (after a paragraph break) brings up a response from the program indicating it should be capitalized. And it shouldn't. Unless it is a code of some kind....or the world's biggest coincidence. Look on the back of your dollar bill. There you will see the Seeing Eye. It's a powerful Masonic symbol. |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:33 PM (#2116631) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Bill D In Mason We Trust? |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:34 PM (#2116632) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: JohnInKansas LH The words that Word "corrects" to init caps probably are in the spellcheck dictionary with caps. Ones that it ignores the caps for probably are not in the dictionary, or may be in the dictionary both ways making it ambiguous/optional. You can turn off automatic spell check and eliminate the problem, but most people find it "mostly harmless." Spellcheck generally "suggests" corrections, while AutoCorrect/AutoReplace puts them in immediately. (Ctl-Z before you continue typing will back out an AutoCorrect change.) More subtly, if a word appears in the dictionary, and hence gets capitalization other than what you want, the "correct procedure" is to enter the word to which spellcheck changes your typing in the AutoCorrect function (Replace as you type), and tell it to change it back to what you typed. (AutoCorrect/AutoReplace "executes" after Spellcheck.) Spell check is mostly controlled in Tools|Options, Spelling and Grammar tab. AutoReplace is at Tools|AutoCorrect Options. John |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:45 PM (#2116641) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Just keep trying it Ebbie. Try any such pair of words, whether they are in common usage or not...whether they even make any sense or not. The program will ONLY prompt you to capitalize "Seeing Eye" after you do a carriage return. It underlines it green and prompts you to change "seeing eye" to "Seeing Eye". Why? Here's what I got: The bouncing ball is here. The Seeing Eye is here. The running dog is here. The wallowing whale is here. The Seeing Eye is here. The seeing orb is here. The seeing penguin is here. The seeing rifle is here. The seeing eggbeater is here. The Seeing Eye is here. Go ahead now, Ebbie. Rationalize your way around it somehow. Realize that every mind normally, usually believes exactly what it already wants to believe and has already decided to believe regardless of the evidence put before it, and you will be on your way to considering alternative possibilities, and questioning previous assumptions. I am very intrigued by this "seeing eye" business. I am less concerned about the word "god", because it can be used in many contexts, as you pointed out. It can mean a variety of different gods. There is no normal, mundane reason why a program should demand capitalization of a phrase such as "the seeing eye". There are possible mystical reasons for it, however, of a highly symbolic nature, connected with Freemasonry at the highest levels. That's why it's on the dollar bill. That's why it's on the Great Seal. It's a symbol of power. It's not an accident. These things are meant to be seen by those who are trained to see them and recognize them, they are not meant for the general public, except in a subliminal sense. They don't happen by accident. |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:46 PM (#2116643) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: MMario I think KH is right and the explanation John gave is nothing but a coverup the government WANTS us to believe. |
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01 Aug 07 - 01:54 PM (#2116654) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Yes, I understand how it works, John, and you can ignore the prompt, of course. My question is, why is the prompt there in the first place? Like I say, is it the world's biggest coincidence? ;-) How many people in the general public study the Masonic symbols? How many people give them any importance? Almost no one. I have studied them to some extent. That's why I think this is significant. The USA was founded by a group of Masons. High level Masons. They were an extension of the Masons in England before them, and they remained connected to those people afterward. Those people were and are the controlling elite in western civilization, and symbols are very important in that order. They are seen to symbolize and to have great power. It's not kid stuff. It's not fun and games. |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:07 PM (#2116665) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa Lucifer was mentioned up-thread and sort of dropped. MS does want it capitalized but I expect it because it is a proper name (alluded to by LH). MS treats devil and god the same way, either can be capitalized or not, MS doesn't seem to care. The whole 'Seeing Eye' thing is kind of weird but I don't know that it is a harbinger of the end times. |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:09 PM (#2116668) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth I tried it and it does work the way the YouTube thingy says. Yeah, I think there is a Word 2003. Mine is listed as Word 2002, and it does the same thing. Does this mean that Microsoft is a Satanic conspiracy? Well, some folks might think so when their software acts up. However, there are a couple of people who live in the same apartment building that I live in who work for Microsoft and they seem to be very nice folks "But," he said in a hoarse whisper, "you never really know, do you?" I might point out that Lucifer is, indeed, a proper name. God, on the other hand is not. The word "god" in the Judeo-Christian religions is assumed to be a proper name, but in the realm of mythology (and like it or not, much of the details of the Judeo-Christian story does fall under the heading of mythology) the word "god" generally refers to a humanoid creature with super-powers. Zeus was the real biggy in days of yore. Then there was Aphrodite (note: a female! Very much a female!), Hermes, Neptune, Athena, Ares—or among the Romans, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, etc., etc., a whole battalion of super-beings. Pan was a demi-god, along with a host of others So "god" refers to a general class of beings. It is not a proper name. Now, "seeing eye," I don't know what that's all about unless one has a great deal of respect (and well deserved, I might add) for guide dogs for the visually impared. Don Firth |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:36 PM (#2116698) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk I have no concern about how the program treats the word "god" or the word "Lucifer". All proper names get capitalized, so why not Lucifer? No reason why the word "god" necessarily has to be capitalized either...it would depend upon the context. But the Seeing Eye? Well, that's another matter altogether. Do I think it's a harbinger of the End Times? ;-) No. I don't see why I would think that. I don't necessarily believe there even IS an End Times. I think it indicates a deliberate connection to Masonic symbols and ritual though, and that is significant. |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:42 PM (#2116704) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa LH, I see that you capitalized End Times. Any particular reason for this? |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:50 PM (#2116715) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie "Realize that every mind normally, usually believes exactly what it already wants to believe and has already decided to believe regardless of the evidence put before it, and you will be on your way to considering alternative possibilities, and questioning previous assumptions." Little Hawk Yes, Little Hawk. Don't you also see that you exhibit the same phenomenon? I don't quite buy the sequential thought that you/we are on the "way to considering alternative possibilities, and questioning previous assumptions". I see very little sign of that. We/You are all quite predictable. As for 'seeing eye', that is quite, quite different from 'all-seeing eye', innit? And for free masonry and its impacts on modern history, if we haven't worried about it for, lo, these many years what has changed? Are we really as a people that fearful of today? |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:56 PM (#2116717) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa Ebbie, I have read LH (on more than one occasion) admit that he is just as subject to what he describes as is anyone else, he just doesn't insert a disclaimer every time. As for Masonry and the threat it poses, my grandpa was a Mason and he was a bit odd. |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:10 PM (#2116731) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie They are not all odd. One of my good friends is quite skilled. They say that his rock walls all bear his distinctive print. |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:12 PM (#2116733) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: bobad The All Seeing Eye |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:14 PM (#2116734) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa "They say that his rock walls all bear his distinctive print." Could this be his way of sending secret messages, carved in concrete as it were? |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:23 PM (#2116736) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: MMario it's actually the plants growing on the walls that contain the code. "moss code" |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:32 PM (#2116741) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie Damn! That is one ugly eye. MMario, I'm glad to finally learn the name. :) |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:35 PM (#2116744) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk I capitalized End Times, KB, because I wanted to. ;-) It looked more noticeable that way. And because it refers to a BIG hypothetical event. So are we arguing for the fun of it? Or just for the usual reasons? I'm not all that fearful, Ebbie. I'm just curious. I like to know about things. I'm pretty sure I'll die of natural causes long before I become important enough for the $ySStem to decide I need to be eliminated. ;-) If not, well...I've died before. I'll get over it soon enough. As KB kindly pointed out, yes, I have said numerious times that I am just as wedded to my usual impression as most people. I am only a bit unusual in that I know it, I don't forget it, and I publicly admit to it. (this is something you won't find any politicians doing) Accordingly, I always keep it in mind that I might be wrong in my fondest assumptions...and that keeps me curious, and thirsty to know more. As to "Could this be his way of sending secret messages" Could be, KB. ;-) My dog's way is by peeing on any convenient standing structure, although his messages are really not all that secret...he is quite open about his imperial ambitions. |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:36 PM (#2116745) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa "So are we arguing for the fun of it? Or just for the usual reasons?" I thought that was the ususal reason. |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:46 PM (#2116755) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Say, check this out. I got curious about "all-seeing eye" or "all seeing eye". Here's what MS Word wants me to do: The Seeing Eye is here. The all-seeing eye is here. The Seeing Eye is here. The all Seeing Eye is here. It ignores the word "all". It ignores "all-seeing". It only calls for capitalization of the 2 words "Seeing Eye". Whoever set the code set it to take effect in that fashion only. What I have heard about the Masons suggests to me that there is a large rank and file membership who are ordinary people, not involved in anything terribly esoteric or hidden...and there is a higher echelon who are involved in such hidden things and who wield great power. It's the decisions of the higher echelon, just as in a government or an armed forces, that primarily interest me, not the decisions of the rank and file. |
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01 Aug 07 - 03:54 PM (#2116764) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: KB in Iowa But my Grandpa was a bit odd. He would always sing "The Boar's Head in Hand Bear I" when he brought out the Christmas feast. |
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01 Aug 07 - 04:22 PM (#2116784) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth "Here's looking at you, kid." —Rick to Ilsa in Casablanca Don Firth |
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01 Aug 07 - 05:54 PM (#2116867) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk "I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours," I said that. - Bob Dylan |
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01 Aug 07 - 07:07 PM (#2116904) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Boy, this just gets weirder. I noticed that if you say "the seeing eye", then MS Word wants it capitalized...but if you say "a seeing eye", then they don't care. One exception, however: If you say "A seeing eye rules." then MS Word wants the capitals! Here are more examples of what the program wants you to do: The Seeing Eye rules everything. A Seeing Eye rules. There is the Seeing Eye. There is a seeing eye. A seeing eye watches. A seeing eye is blue. A Seeing Eye rules. So the only case I've found in which "a" seeing eye calls for caps is when it's "a Seeing Eye rules". So the caps code for "Seeing Eye" is not tied to the phrase "seeing eye". It is tied to either "the---seeing eye" or "a seeing eye rules". That's what I have found so far. That's a pretty specific code, isn't it? It obviously cannot be because "Seeing Eye" is a trademark or anything else like that. |
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01 Aug 07 - 07:48 PM (#2116931) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Albert Pike (arguably the most interesting public person in American public life) called the run-of-th-mill Masons "porch masons." They do the good deeds and never know what they're a part of. The All-seeing eye is woven all through the Homeland Security crapola. It's purpose seems to be to inspire an awareness of being watched. My personal theory is that when the culling of humanity begins (by the Bush/Windsor-Saxe-Coberg/Rothschild/Rockefeller/Warburg/Dupont/Clinton, etc cabal), well...we've been warned. And since we've PARTICIPATED in our own deaths by allowing these Luciferian monsters to do the deed, the sacrifice will be doubly pleasing to Lucifer. Who is watching. Lucifer is the light, and the eye symbol comes from ancient Egyptian sun worshipping. These freaks go WAY back. |
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01 Aug 07 - 08:21 PM (#2116949) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy This Seeing Eye That Seeing Eye Who쳌fs Seeing Eye? The next Seeing Eye A big red seeing eye Is this anyone쳌fs seeing eye? Which Seeing Eye What Seeing Eye Where쳌fs my seeing eye? A bag of seeing eyes, please. Any seeing eyes? |
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01 Aug 07 - 08:35 PM (#2116966) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie Don't forget the Queen of England and King Juan Carlos- they too are in the cabal. |
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02 Aug 07 - 12:45 AM (#2117086) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Well, if there was such a cabal, it would probably be impossible to attain the position of being a crowned royal anywhere in Europe if you were not part of it, right? So it just depends whether there is or not. I don't think anyone here is in a position to categorically deny or confirm that there is. We just have opinions, that's all. And our opinions are based on very little knowledge, a lot of conjecture, and gut feelings of one sort or another. My opinion is...I don't know. I just wonder. I've read different stuff about it, but that doesn't prove anything, because that was all just someone else's opinion. |
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02 Aug 07 - 01:45 AM (#2117116) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: robomatic I think MSoft Word has some religious biases. The one I inadvertently triggered was when I used the term cathodic protection in a technical spec. possibly guest, concerned could look into this and get back to us. |
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02 Aug 07 - 03:03 AM (#2117150) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned As I wind down from a long day, I'll say this... The all seeing eye is not just on the dollar bill, it is on America's CBS television logo, the eye on the tail feather of the NBC peacock, dozens of logos that can be turned up with a web search. On the dollar bill, the eye is the capstone of the pyramid. Pyramid = Egypt, the eye is the eye of Amon Ra, the sun god, as I recall. The ancient egyptians were sun worshippers. This gets back into the time of the mystery religions, when the sun, earth and moon were worshipped. Human sacrifice was practiced to appease the earth mother. Sacrifice was done in Europe, Meso America, Middle East, etc. Pervasive. In the middle east, the temple of Solomon had 2 pillars. Hence, the obsession with the number 11, shaped like the twin pillars of Solomon, the sorcerer of the old testament. Hence the fascination with withcraft. The twin towers in NYC were a giant # 11 on the skyline, and they were brought down with much sacrifice of life, pleasing to Lucifer. Since then, our new surveilance organizations in the US have been making use of the all seeing eye to haunt us, terrorize us. And you ARE being watched, by Microsoft. They keep telling you with the new upgrades that there are more spy features in place, but you don't care. The 15,000 FBI citizen operatives will be made redundant in a few years because we're all spying on ourselves...our internet data is being fed straight to the US govt. The Nazis and IBM would be very pleased with the way we're cutting our own throats. But getting back to the mystery religions, American society has been utterly degraded. Homosexuality is some kind of twisted virtue now, families are in shambles, illegitimacy is 90% among blacks and 50% among whites, schools are admittedly dummbing down and drugging kids, and those kids are being taught that their parents are killing the environment. The environment's the big thing now. It's beling elevated to religion status at the end of the destruction of America. Americans will return to the bullshit mystery religions now (the magical crap on television has replaced the ministers), so now kids will be taught to value plant life over human life, and the culling of the population will be eaier than any of you thought possible. Kids will be taught ot nark on you, and they'll be told that your death is good for the planet. Somehow this all relates to the seeing eye and the spy network, and if I weren't tired I'd put it in cogent form. Screw you if you think it's nuts. The hodge podge os semi-magical thinking that passes for your philosophies is even nuttier that what I just described. |
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02 Aug 07 - 11:31 AM (#2117483) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Some interesting stuff there. Do you see that one holy trinity (Sun, Earth, and Moon...which might be termed Father, Mother, and Child) eventually morphed into another trinity, the Christian one: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? What makes one better than the other? I see nothing particularly wrong with a cosmology that uses the sun, the Earth, and the moon to represent divinity. They are real things, and they make powerful symbols. I've always felt that the Christian Trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was more than a little odd, because it leaves out the feminine component (unless the Holy Spirit is feminine). Many ancient trinitys include the feminine component, as I think they should. It's natural that God should be seen as the sun by a society, because the sun gives forth the light and energy which makes life possible on this planet, therefore it's the sustaining principle in physical reality behind all life existing here. It's natural that the Earth should be seen as the Mother, since we are all physically born out of the Earth and sustained by the bounty of the Earth. As to the Moon, well, that's a bit more subtle...you could have many interpretations about the part the moon plays. The moon moves the tides, and it has subtle effects on all living things here, as evidenced in monthly patterns, menstrual cycles, etc. So why is such a cosmology necessarily bad...in itself? I don't think it is. What's bad is if the people in charge of it turn a cosmology toward an oppressive purpose. As to your thoughts on the deterioration of American society...I'd agree with most of that. Interesting stuff about the all seeing eye showing up in industry logos. I'll do that search and see what I can find. |
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02 Aug 07 - 02:45 PM (#2117559) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth Penn Gillette, of the comedy team Penn and Teller, used to write a humor column in one of the computer magazines a few years back. In one article, he described how someone was cruising through the various available fonts and symbols that Word offers and noticed in the list of wingdings what he considered a significant and disturbing juxtaposition of a skull-and-crossbones and a Star of David—two separate wingdings. This person concluded that The Evil Minions at Microsoft had hidden an anti-Semitic message saying "Kill all Jews!" Penn Gillette commented that "There are people in this world who could sift through the debris after an explosion in a Scrabble tile factory and find something to be offended at!" Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar. Don Firth |
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02 Aug 07 - 03:05 PM (#2117577) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie "(by the Bush/Windsor-Saxe Coberg/Rothschild/Rockefeller/Warburg/Dupont/Clinton, etc cabal)" "Screw you if you think it's nuts." I'm screwed. |
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02 Aug 07 - 06:48 PM (#2117788) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Yes, it is true, Don, that anyone who has any particular paranoid agenda in mind can usually (no, let's make that always) find what they think is damning evidence supporting it. That's because they're looking through a filter, their beliefs, and what they see is always shaped and modified by that filter. So if you're looking around for antisemitism...you'll find it. If you're looking for racism...you'll find it. If you're looking for communism...you'll find it. If you're looking for terrorism...you'll find it. If you're looking for corporate conspiracies, you'll find them. That could mean they are really there...or it could mean nothing of the sort. Depends on how well your "filters" work, and on various other factors. Great straight line, Ebbie! ;-) Oh, what a temptation to respond with some wisecrack... |
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02 Aug 07 - 07:42 PM (#2117838) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth Yes, indeed. And what lends great satifaction to those who are addicted to conspiracy theories is that there are, indeed, anti-Semites, racists, communists, terrorists, and corporate conspirators out there in the real world. The discovery of some group of businessment who get together from time to time to have lunch and a few drinks and compare notes (not unlike the Rotary Club or the Kiwanis) sends these folks into paroxisms of delight over having discovered incontrovertible evidence for their paranoid delusions. Few things make a paranoiac happier than to find some minuscule bit of evidence that, if multiplied a hundred-fold, can allow them to feel that there's a small chance that they may not be actually completely wrong, and these businessmen really do want to take over the world. But when you consider the sheer number of such groups, all competing to take over, not the world, but the market, the chances of any one group being more than modestly dominant for any length of time are all but non-existent. The trick is to be sufficiently aware of one's own predilictions and prejudices that one is in the habit of automatically viewing one's own urge to jump to a conclusion with extreme suspicion. And to view the leapt-upon conclusions of others with the same suspicion. Solid evidence is what is essential. Not just some cut-and-paste rant from a blog that agree's with one's own prejudices. Don Firth |
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03 Aug 07 - 05:13 AM (#2118098) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_seeing_eye |
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03 Aug 07 - 02:01 PM (#2118434) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST,Concerned Well, the purpose of human organization is to increase strength and provide security. The security is afforded to the group. County governments are going to make sure of one thing first--that the members of the governments receive their salaries. So they tax, and they increase taxes as the government grows. Why should it be any different with any other organization? Masons, Rosicrucians, etc.? They formed for security, and then they expanded to provide increased security and strength. I have no problem with any groups unless they want to keep their dealings secret. Then I have to suspect them. The Masons and other 'secret' groups deserve the suspicion that's heaped on them. They bring it on themselves. As far as lumping groups, movements and 'conspiracies' together, I'm sure a lot of them are bogus. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion springs to mind. Fascinating reading, but so unprovable that you can't really use it to back up any arguments. But then there are other things--for years the Bilderberg Group denied its existence, but that's changed the past couple of years. This year the front page of the Dallas paper had a big article about Gov. Rick Perry attending a Bilderberg meeting. Quoted him talking about it himself. Yet people still deny it exists. It seems the evening news and the Sci-Fi channel have done much to make Americans disbelieve the evidence right in front of them. The Sci-fi channel is owned by Prince Phillip, by the way, and the programming seems to be a continuous stream of contempt for humans (much like Phillip's view of people). But anyway, there are lots of bread crumbs being left for us by the people in charge of certain groups. The link below goes to some fascinating information. I think these guys plan to make this into a nine-part series. Wouldn't be surprised if part or all of this has made it to YouTube by now: http://www.wingtv.net/riddlesinstone.html Also, an interesting search is 'ley lines' or 'ley-lines' + masonic, for information about how they incorporate occultic power grids into their building. And then there's the stupefying amount of evidence of occultic symbolism in the new Israeli Supreme Court building, paid for by the Rotschilds: http://www.planetquo.com/Illuminati-Design-And-Symbolism-In-The-Israeli-Supreme-Court-Building You build something like that, and people are going to wonder. |
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03 Aug 07 - 02:33 PM (#2118461) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Donuel It can't happen here. |
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03 Aug 07 - 02:33 PM (#2118462) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie Your link, Concerned Guest, leads to things that even you could not possibly swallow. The Wizard of Oz? Mickey de Vinko, a Satanist and a husband of Judy Garland? hahhahahahhahaha |
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03 Aug 07 - 03:31 PM (#2118509) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth The Sci-Fi Channel is owned by Prince Philip? Quelle surprise!! The Sci-Fi Channel was launched on September 24, 1992 as a sister cable channel to USA Network by then-owners Paramount Pictures (which was later acquired by Viacom in 1994) and MCA (then part of Japanese electronic giant Matsushita), the owner of Universal Studios, each with a 50% stake in the venture.Now, if you're referring to the British Sci-Fi Channel, note the following: The British Sci-Fi Channel (Sci-Fi UK) is a United Kingdom satellite television channel service specialising in science fiction, fantasy and horror shows and movies. The channel launched in 1995 as a British sister channel to the US Sci-Fi Channel, with a similar programming line-up. Sci-Fi UK currently operates as a channel service of NBC Universal Global Networks, a division of NBC Universal.GUEST,Carnsarned, you are so full of it! Don Firth |
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03 Aug 07 - 04:20 PM (#2118545) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: GUEST, Ebbie Thet wor me. |
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03 Aug 07 - 10:06 PM (#2118746) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: The Fooles Troupe ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... |
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05 Aug 07 - 06:21 AM (#2119556) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy YYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.....? |
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05 Aug 07 - 01:38 PM (#2119762) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth X-Files? |
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05 Aug 07 - 02:05 PM (#2119780) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Jim Lad Mudcat? Go on then 99.... |
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05 Aug 07 - 02:08 PM (#2119784) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: pdq 100 |
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05 Aug 07 - 02:16 PM (#2119788) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk And one. |
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05 Aug 07 - 02:37 PM (#2119809) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie me two |
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05 Aug 07 - 10:22 PM (#2120059) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Don Firth Third time's a charm! |
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05 Aug 07 - 10:50 PM (#2120074) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie I'm sure. |
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06 Aug 07 - 11:45 AM (#2120294) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Donuel the key to telephone spying in the US is NORA |
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06 Aug 07 - 01:50 PM (#2120305) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Little Hawk Is there yet balm in Gilead? |
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06 Aug 07 - 02:18 PM (#2120318) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Ebbie I'll check. Where is Gilead? |
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07 Aug 07 - 08:16 AM (#2120782) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: The Fooles Troupe "the key to telephone spying in the US is NORA" Bloody NORA! :-P |
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08 Aug 07 - 05:03 AM (#2121501) Subject: RE: BS: Spy Network in U.S. From: Mr Happy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_%28technology%29 |