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30 Jul 07 - 10:07 PM (#2115182) Subject: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe Poor Dr Haneef... ... and here we are in Australia, desperately short of qualified Doctors... |
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30 Jul 07 - 10:43 PM (#2115205) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe Most of it is here at Wiki |
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30 Jul 07 - 11:49 PM (#2115229) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: John O'L I'm not sure about this Haneef guy, I think there are a lot of questions that haven't been adequately answered. But the govt. and Aust. Federal Police have ensured that a fair & inpartial investigation is now out of the question, so well done guys, another win for the boots & all, both-guns-blazing anti-terrorism methodology propounded by the Coalition Of The Cretinous. I would also like to address the response made by Foriegn Minister Alexander Downer to the suggestion that Haneef is owed an apology for having been slandered and detained for four days for no apparent reason: "What do you expect them to do - fall on the ground and grovel, eat dirt? Get real" As I say, I have reservations about Haneef, but that statement by Downer is frighteningly fascist for my liking. |
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31 Jul 07 - 12:01 AM (#2115235) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: JennyO I heard Downer saying that on the news yesterday, and his sarcastic smarmy tone of voice as he was saying it made my blood boil. What, expect ANY of them to apologise for ANYTHING? As he said, GET REAL! This government had a history of doing whatever they like and never apologising, even if it can be seen clearly that they have made a mistake. I think they have a slimy lawyer there telling them not to admit liability for anything so they can't be sued. Same with little johnnie and being asked to say Sorry to the stolen generation. He's obviously been advised not to, in case one of the victims decides to take legal action. I think I got out of the cynical side of my bed this morning. |
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31 Jul 07 - 12:03 AM (#2115236) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: Sorcha It's pretty easy to do anymore, almost anywhere, Jenny. I get pretty much there most days. |
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31 Jul 07 - 12:15 AM (#2115242) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: JennyO Too true, Sorcha - unfortunately. |
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31 Jul 07 - 07:43 PM (#2116033) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe "detained for four days" It was much longer than that. Now The Immigration Minister has released some of the 'Secret Squirel info' - but unfortunately, for his credibility, that info was made public ages ago... Commentors have said that The Immigration Minister's action in revoking the visa is very much like the 1933 behaviour of the 'government' in Germany - The Minister claiming that his actions were independent of the 'parallel process' of the Court. |
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01 Aug 07 - 12:41 AM (#2116173) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: Gurney There is an aircraft engineer in this country who just happens to be an estranged relative of Saddam Hussein. Guess what happened when he applied for an american visa to update his skills on the american 'planes he services? His workmates, who WERE granted visas, were upset. No-one trusts the friends and relatives of anyone connected with terrorism. |
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01 Aug 07 - 02:57 AM (#2116204) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: GUEST,John O'L Yes, Foolestroupe, that should be four weeks, not days. |
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05 Aug 07 - 09:43 PM (#2120041) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe I've cut and pasted - not sure how long this url will be available - if the MMC want to edit/abbreviate it, that's ok with me. But I do love the last paragraph... Just shows how much BS Little Fascist Johnny and His Mad Mates are desperately spraying about, just for THEIR political gain - and just how right was that comment by an Aussie politican that the AFP resembled The Keystone Kops... Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive... and we poor sucker are depending on them to protect us from these alleged 'terrorists' - I'm old enough to remember the 'Ananda Marga' f*up - just when ASIO was trying to get its funding increased to deal with alleged 'international terrorism' too. :-P US citizens aren't the only ones who have to be worried with 'political games/incompetence'.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Haneef gives second reason for leaving Australia http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22193844-421,00.html By Hedley Thomas August 06, 2007 01:00am MOHAMED Haneef has told of a secondary reason for trying to leave Australia on July 2, other than wanting to see his wife and newborn daughter: his relatives were gravely worried he would be wrongfully linked to his second-cousins and the failed terror attacks in Britain days earlier, and they believed he could deal with it in India. Dr Haneef, who is with his family at a secret location in the city of Mysore, 200km from Bangalore, yesterday said he would have contacted the Australian Federal Police and voluntarily walked into a police station if he had known officers in Australia were interested in talking to him about his old SIM card before he tried to return to India. And he said the AFP had evidence showing that his leave from the Gold Coast Hospital was already approved by a senior administrator, and his air ticket booked and purchased, before he and his brother Shoaib had an internet chat conducted in Urdu. Incomplete portions of the internet chat, translated into English, were released last week by Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews and used to suggest Dr Haneef might have had prior knowledge of the June 29-30 attempted bombings in London and Glasgow, an accusation he strenuously rejects. "There's no reason to be suspicious," he said. He said police who questioned him about the conversation knew the context because they had his taped answers. In a weekend interview with The Australian, Dr Haneef denounced terrorism and condemned the attempted bombings by his now-deceased second-cousin Kafeel Ahmed, with whom he said he had had little contact. "This is terrible, these things should not happen," Dr Haneef said. He said he wanted to answer any questions that British police might have had when he tried to contact an officer, Ken Webster, four times by telephone on the afternoon of July 2, about eight hours before his flight was due to depart from Brisbane. He said he called Mr Webster because Ahmed's mother had been contacted by British police after they found the mobile phone SIM card Dr Haneef had given a year ago to Kafeel's brother Sabeel. Dr Haneef was given the name and phone number of the British officer by the mother of Sabeel and Kafeel. "If (British police) had called me (back) and asked me to stay, I would have stayed," Dr Haneef said. "He didn't pick up (the phone). I wouldn't have gone through all of this trouble (if the British officer had picked up). "I called the police officer in the UK to see if he had anything to ask me. Because my aunt told me to call him up - it was Sabeel's mum who asked me to call this person there - so I rang him up. Why should I ring the Australian police at that time? I didn't think of that." Dr Haneef said his brother, in particular, was worried about him after the failed bombings. "I'm like a father to him," Dr Haneef said of Shoaib. "I had been looking after him and all my family. He was worried about the SIM card thing. His aunty told him and me as well that Sabeel had been arrested. Yes, I was worried as well. "But my main reason (for leaving) was my baby. The main reason was to be with my wife and my newly born child. If (the Gold Coast Hospital) had told me there was no cover (for his shift), I would not have gone. I would not have been trying to come to India at all. I was not absconding or anything. By this time, I had my leave approved." Dr Haneef's attempts to call the officer were corroborated by the questioning AFP officers, who had the 27-year-old's phone records, during his first interview on July 3, a transcript of which was provided to The Australian. It remains unclear whether the AFP told Mr Andrews of the calls and Dr Haneef's explanations before the cancellation of the doctor's visa on July 16, triggering a Federal Court action to be heard on Wednesday. Mr Andrews yesterday repeatedly refused to reveal whether he knew Dr Haneef had tried to contact British police when he cancelled the doctor's visa on character grounds. Asked whether it was unusual for somebody accused of a link with terrorists to try to contact police, Mr Andrews told the ABC's Insiders program: "We don't know the full details about that contact and how that occurred or whether it occurred." Mr Andrews declared he had no regrets about the way he handled the Haneef case. He said he still felt Dr Haneef's behaviour had been "suspicious". The Democrats will attempt to establish a committee to investigate anti-terror laws when federal parliament resumes tomorrow. Democrats legal affairs spokeswoman Natasha Stott Despoja said she hoped the committee would determine whether the laws were workable, fair and effective. The committee would have to report back by December. Dr Haneef's lawyer Peter Russo said his client's family was right to be concerned that he would be wrongfully linked to his second-cousins and the bombings. Dr Haneef "wants to go back" and "needs to go back" to Australia, he added. Mr Russo was quoted in an Indian newspaper as dismissing AFP Commissioner Mick Keelty's claim that Dr Haneef's case could take years to investigate. "If it takes him years to sort out Mohamed, I don't know what he's doing for the rest of his career," Mr Russo said. |
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21 Aug 07 - 08:26 AM (#2130336) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe Well, now the Court has said that the Minister was wrong to revoke Haneef's visa... tehe decision will be appealed, of course... |
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22 Aug 07 - 03:49 AM (#2130910) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: JennieG A colleague whose sister works for the guvmint in Brisbane told me that there is more to this case than we, the public, have been told. Her sister of course isn't allowed to say details and I'm not sure that I would want to know. But I will be reserving judgement until I know more. Cheers JennieG |
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22 Aug 07 - 04:02 AM (#2130919) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: GUEST,PMB It's all down to thatPauline Hanson. Ever since then the Australian right has learned the power of naked racism, and in the words of George Wallace "no other son of a bitch will ever outnigger me again." |
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22 Aug 07 - 10:17 PM (#2131639) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe Now it appears that there has been a complaint made to the Queenland organisation that oversees the proprietry of Lawyers that Haneef's lawyer should be disclipined because he was very naughty to release (because it was obviously ONLY to influence public opinion!) the full transcript - something that IS the property of Dr Haneef - and that he CAN instruct his lawyer so to release publicly if he wishes... :-) The leading Civil Rights Lawyer in Qld has said that not only did he do nothing 'wrong', but taking into account the constant leaking of selected parts of it to the media in a way that was not only misleading but also very publicly damaging to Haneef's reputation, that he had an moral obligation to release the full transcript. Also unsaid was that since the AFP and the Govt Minister were supposedly the only other people who also had legal access to the documents, the original misleading leaks which the full release was intended to correct, could only have been engineered by THEM - to influence public opinion..... for political purposes ... :-) |
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22 Aug 07 - 10:42 PM (#2131657) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe Even more interesting is the now lucridous wail by the Minister that the release of the full transcript - which WOULD be released IN FULL as a public document once submitted to the Court in order to have a Criminal Trail for Terrorism! - somehow is supposed to 'damage national security'!!!!! I think that Little Fascist Johnny's Mad Mates have been drinking too many bottles of George's Urine... |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:00 PM (#2132376) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: Rowan "I think that Little Fascist Johnny's Mad Mates have been drinking too many bottles of George's Urine..." And joining with the CIA and other American pollies in the selective editing of entries about them in Wikipedia. Cheers, Rowan |
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24 Aug 07 - 02:37 AM (#2132528) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: Sandra in Sydney The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet says Prime Minister John Howard did not ask any of his staff to edit online public encyclopedia Wikipedia. Staff from the department have been found to have made edits to Wikipedia entries on topics such as the "children overboard" affair. full story here - PM 'not behind Wikipedia edits' plus a good selection of comments. sandra |
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24 Aug 07 - 06:42 AM (#2132605) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe An Australian Political Joke... (for those who keep up with the news...) What's the difference between Howard (PM) and Rudd (Opposition Leader)? Well Howard says Rudd is a Cunning Stunt, whereas Howard is ... |
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29 Jul 08 - 06:23 AM (#2400157) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe Hey Ho, Rudd is in, Haneef. well... ASIO repeatedly said Haneef no threat By Adam Gartrell July 29, 2008 06:15pm Article from: AAP AUSTRALIA'S security intelligence agency repeatedly told the Howard Government there were no grounds to believe former terror suspect Mohamed Haneef posed a security threat. In an unclassified submission to the inquiry into last year's bungled investigation of the Gold Coast-based doctor, Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO) Director-General Paul O'Sullivan has revealed his organisation never believed Dr Haneef was a threat. Dr Haneef was arrested in Brisbane and detained for 12 days without charge last year over suspected links to botched terror attacks in Britain. He was later charged but the case against him collapsed amid accusations of bungling by the authorities. ASIO conducted an intelligence investigation into Dr Haneef and provided analytical support to the Australian Federal Police (AFP), but never questioned Dr Haneef itself. "In conducting its intelligence investigation, ASIO considered whether Dr Haneef posed a threat to security and provided advice across government on this issue," Mr O'Sullivan said. "ASIO participated in whole-of-government meetings in relation to Dr Haneef. "ASIO's consistent advice to these meetings was that, based on available information, ASIO did not assess Dr Haneef as a threat to security and did not have grounds to issue an adverse security assessment." Mr O'Sullivan said that in the early days ASIO believed further investigation of Dr Haneef was warranted but it gradually became more certain Dr Haneef was not dangerous. In written advice to the Government and various agencies on July 11, ASIO reported it did not have information to indicate Dr Haneef had any involvement in, or foreknowledge of, the UK terror acts. ASIO also advised there was no information to indicate Dr Haneef was undertaking planning for a terrorist attack in Australia or overseas. Mr O'Sullivan said ASIO was not involved in the decisions to arrest, charge, prosecute or release Dr Haneef. It was also revealed today that the AFP's head of counter-terrorism, Ramzi Jabbour, will give evidence to the inquiry tomorrow and Thursday. Commander Jabbour's evidence will be given in private and the transcript of the interview will not be released publicly. Meanwhile, lawyers acting for Dr Haneef said they wanted the Clarke inquiry to be given the powers of a royal commission. Retired NSW Supreme Court judge John Clarke, who is heading the inquiry, yesterday declared much of the evidence presented to him cannot be made public and he would not be seeking royal commission powers. Dr Haneef's lawyer Rod Hodgson today said the Rudd Government had promised a full judicial inquiry. "Whatever this inquiry is, it is not judicial and it is not open," he said. "It is a very convenient result for the Australian agencies, especially the AFP and DIAC (Department of Immigration and Citizenship), in that they cannot be made accountable to the Australian public because of an alleged fear of offending a foreign government. "If (Attorney-General Robert) McClelland sits by and allows what was to be a full judicial inquiry become a disempowered and fully secret inquiry, his credibility as an attorney-general who can stand up for the rule of law will be severely damaged." ~~~~~~~~~ Hmmm wrongful arrest, anyone? |
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30 Jul 08 - 05:08 AM (#2401057) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: Sandra in Sydney I just loved this bit when I heard it yesterday on a news program - Mr O'Sullivan said ASIO was not involved in the decisions to arrest, charge, prosecute or release Dr Haneef. we certainly live in interesting times. sandra |
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30 Jul 08 - 05:47 AM (#2401074) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: akenaton Bring back Gough "I'd just one thing to tell the Australian people..."you're a bunch of c..ts". I believe Mr Whitlam has been ill. I wish him a speedy recovery..Ake |
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30 Jul 08 - 05:52 PM (#2401715) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: freda underhill In the current enquiry, ASIO (our spook agency) gave a submission which said it had provided advice to "whole of Government meetings'' that Dr Haneef was not a threat to security, and that there were no grounds to believe Dr Haneef was linked to, or even knew about, the botched June car bombings. However the former immigration minister, Kevin Andrews, who cancelled the doctor's visa, restated today that he had received no advice from Australia's secret service that Mohamed Haneef posed no terrorist threat. It seems someone senior in government got that information, and didn't pass it on to Kevin Andrews. I wonder who sat on it, and why? |
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30 Jul 08 - 07:06 PM (#2401762) Subject: RE: BS: Australian Terrorism Cockup From: The Fooles Troupe "ASIO was not involved in the decisions to arrest, charge, prosecute or release Dr Haneef." It also seems the AFP (Aust Federal Police) was supposed to have been told the same thing, but insisted on chasing after him. Sounds more like 'official stalking'. 1) There was quite a strong long term movement to only tell Little Fascist Johnny and his cohorts what it was thought that they wanted to hear (Ah! Deutchland!) - "Children overboard", etc. 2) An election was coming up, and Little Fascist Johnny had a strong "My Law, Your Order" program. Aboriginal heath 'intervention', etc 3) There were claims that the public service (supposed to neutral) had become too right wing and was too active in supporting Little Fascist Johnny. Re Gough, Hawkie, etc, most people do not realise just how intelligent and educated those guys were (especially in regard to their political opponents of the time) - Oxford Uni, Rhode Scholars, etc |