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19 Apr 99 - 10:18 AM (#71982) Subject: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter Fisher It seems some of us are Mudcatters and some are Mudcateers (or maybe just typing impaired). I hope we're Mudcatters because whenever I read "Mudcateers" I conjure up an image of Annette Funicello wearing catfish whiskers instead of mouse ears. Its not a pretty sight. Peter |
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19 Apr 99 - 12:24 PM (#72008) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Rick Fielding Annette wearing anything was a VERY pretty sight! |
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19 Apr 99 - 12:30 PM (#72010) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Sandy Paton Just to let you know how old I am, I've never associated "Mudcateers" with Annette or mice. For me, it conjures images of dashing young men with capes and flashing swords and the beautiful women they loved (and who loved them in return). Perhaps they live again in Reg, Reg, and Reg! Flashers, Catspaw? Gramps |
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19 Apr 99 - 12:42 PM (#72014) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles My one and only childhood sweetheart!!!!! You've gone and done it now, I shall have to run and have a cold shower. "Love Hurts". All the pain has come back and I thought I was over it? |
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19 Apr 99 - 12:48 PM (#72018) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Joe Offer Gosh, you ARE old, Sandy... I guess I have to admit that I am of the Mudcateer faction (with double "e" but I can't decide whether single or double "t"), and I use it to relate to the Mickey Mouse Club of my childhood (and my prepubescent dreams of Annette, before I fell for Julie Andrews). I like "Mudcateer" because it sounds kind of silly, and reminds us that we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously. On the other hand, I have to say that Mudcateer sounds a bit contrived, and falls off the tongue somewhat less than trippingly. "Mudcatter" seems more natural, and it's easier to say, and it appears to be used by the majority. But I still like "Mudcateer," but I'm about ready to give up and join the majority. -Joe Offer- |
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19 Apr 99 - 12:57 PM (#72022) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Vixen Sorry folks, but I *think* since this is a mudcat cafe, that only mudcats are allowed, and both mudcatters (heaven forfend!) and mudcateers (puhleeze!) both politically incorrect! my $0.02. V |
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19 Apr 99 - 01:21 PM (#72030) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing I am not that old, didn't really like the Mouse club that much, but did love my Illustrated Comic of the The Three Musketeers, so I'm with "SandyGramps". Recently, a new member mentioned in the chatroom that he wanted to refer to us all as "Mudders", but didn't want to offend. I told him I didn't think it would offend, but then, those of us who wanted to, could call ourselves "MudderPhoakers", which I rather like, as did he! One does have to be careful at how quickly they try to say it, though. It came out wrong at the "family" restaurant yesterday! I think for short, "Mudders" is as good as any and as a "mommy" I kinda like it. katlaughing/katlaf(for those who don't want to type the whole thing! Kat is fine, too) |
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19 Apr 99 - 01:39 PM (#72036) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: LEJ Mudcat=verb. To spend endless hours posting and reading"threads" on a specific web site known as The Mudcat Cafe. also,Mudcatter=one who participates in or facilitates "mudcatting" |
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19 Apr 99 - 01:51 PM (#72043) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing Aw, c'mon LEJ, gettin' technical on us? I thought this all went on emotions!?:-> And, I was just gettin' ready to change that around to "Phoakin' Mudders"!***smile*** katlaughing |
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19 Apr 99 - 02:22 PM (#72060) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Sandy Paton I'm willing to switch to "Mudcatters," but wouldn't "Mudcats" be the proper usage LEJ (i.e. those who hang out in a Mudcat Cafe)? And I was just getting the hang of tossing my cape over my shoulder before I leap from the balcony to the chandelier! Sandy/Gramps (Damn that arthritis!) |
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19 Apr 99 - 02:39 PM (#72068) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: LEJ Thought it might be fun to come up with some other Mudcatter nicknames. OK so there's Mudcatters, Mudcateers, Phoaks, Mudder Phoakers. Any other candidates? How bout "Max's Minions"? "pickers n clickers"? |
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19 Apr 99 - 02:48 PM (#72073) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Barbara 'Catters? 'Cats? M'Cats? hooked? Sandy, you be sure your leap isn't from the balcony... to the stretcher! Blessings, Barbara, who thinks LEJ has the definition down. |
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19 Apr 99 - 04:57 PM (#72104) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: catspaw49 I don't personally care....I'm here to talk about ANNETTE! Whoa buddy, the kid was in love!!!! And as it turns out, she's a classy and courageous person as well. Yeah, it was all kinda' hoaky but............. For a time I was totally enamored of Hayley Mills but Annette eventually won me back over. Good thing too...Y'all checked out each as adults? Not to put too fine a point on it 'cause I gotta' sneak up on a mirror myself, but Ol' Hayley got a "Blower" on her don't she?
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19 Apr 99 - 05:04 PM (#72107) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: bbc Picky, picky...I'm strongly on the Mudcatter side. When I see the other spelling, I start singing the Micky Mouse club jingle & my family gets abusive. I *really* don't like picturing myself w/ mouse ears! Mudcatter is just *so* much more sophisticated. I can't believe we're really talking about this; maybe we *should* get real lives? :) bbc |
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19 Apr 99 - 05:21 PM (#72114) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Rick Fielding Please, please, "mudcatoids", don't start talking about SEX! I already feel guilty enough for putting the word "politics" in a thread, and thinking about Annette is causing my aging memory thread to start "refreshing". Next thing you know I'll be remembering that 1959 promo picture of Peggy Seeger and..no, no, think pure thoughts.
I know, I'll think of the Three Musketeers instead. Now let me see, weren't their names "Asshole, Porthole, Armistice, and Dartboard?
I promise never to use profanity again on the Mudcat. I'm sorry. rick |
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19 Apr 99 - 05:32 PM (#72120) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Joe Offer Hey, maybe we should start a folkie pinup thread. I vote for Carolyn Hester. Oh, YES!! Be still, my longing heart.... -Joe Offer- |
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19 Apr 99 - 05:43 PM (#72124) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Rick Fielding Oh Glory, talk about opening a can of worms? This is one of our problems of course. While more average 18 year old boys were reading Playboy, some of us were ogling album covers. Bonnie Dobson, Barbara Dane!! (and what a voice!) I have it on good authority that Sandy Paton had a thing for Jenny Lynd. |
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19 Apr 99 - 05:44 PM (#72125) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles Rick Mudcatoids sound painful. Piles in the 'Big Muddy'? Now you have dragged me back to the real world and I have to imagine my beloved Annette as being as 'wrinkly' as myself, could you inform me of what she is up to these days? |
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19 Apr 99 - 05:44 PM (#72126) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Pete M Mice??? Fish???? Mud cats are cats that like playing in the mud - I've got two; 'Catters like to Mudcat as LEJ says! Actually, I'm with you Sandy, just make sure there a lusty wench on top of the hay cart. Death to the Greasy Emininence! If only I could get this kink out of me rapier! Pete M twirling his moustache |
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19 Apr 99 - 05:49 PM (#72128) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Rick Fielding The poor lass has been battling M.S. for a number of years and is currently in a "chair". |
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19 Apr 99 - 06:05 PM (#72135) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles Rick I am very sorry too hear that, I had no idea. My best wishes to her and all those suffering from MS. |
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19 Apr 99 - 06:06 PM (#72136) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Joe Offer Click here for a Web site devoted to Annette Funicello. I think we were right to have been impressed by her. -Joe Offer- |
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19 Apr 99 - 06:09 PM (#72137) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Mark Roffe She's also got a toy bear business and a perfume business, and made a movie (1995) about her life called A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes, also starring Frankie Avalon. |
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19 Apr 99 - 06:33 PM (#72151) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: DonMeixner LEJ I must then assume that a Mudcat engages in "Mudcattery", a more refined form of "Mudslinging" and this is done in "The Mudcatorium", some hidden alcove in Mudcats home where the afore mentioned "Mudcattery" may take place. "Mudcattery" being the spreading of "Mudcacious" gossip and nittpickery in a "Mudcatorial" manner. Do I understand this clearly? Don |
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19 Apr 99 - 06:39 PM (#72153) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles NO Sorry I am having trouble with my mudcatoids. |
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19 Apr 99 - 06:41 PM (#72154) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Banjeray (inactive) Call me anything you want, just don't call me late for a meal!! |
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20 Apr 99 - 11:01 AM (#72171) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Margo Hey, Shambles. My husband Jack calls me "womanoid". I'm with you; I'm "oided" out. (Say that out loud, it's funny) (Sounds like we oided out for pizzah) Last night at song circle I discovered two mudcatters. Hi Jack mostly folk and MAG. We all referred to each other as Mudcatters. How's Muddy Max and his Madcap Mudcats? |
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20 Apr 99 - 11:04 AM (#72173) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing MM & MM, Magarita....I LIKE IT! |
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20 Apr 99 - 11:14 AM (#72176) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Vixen D'Cats- I'm still going with "mudcats" for a label, and "mudcatting" for what we do. I see us as a collection of creative and intelligent individuals. As such, we consume our respective realities, and produce something different, presumably better. Some of us create various forms of music, and some of us create in other ways in our lives--in our professions, in our relationships, whatever. Mudcats are bottom-feeding scavenging fish that consume their respective realities, producing a flesh that is succulent and tasty. "give me a fish, I eat for a day; teach me to fish and I never go hungry" I'm afraid this little philosphical ramble doesn't clearly express what I'm feeling and thinking, but the gist is that I think the Mudcat cafe has a particularly appropriate name at a number of levels, and its patrons/habitues can refer to themselves as mudcats confident they are being accurate, humble, metaphorical, honest, and not taking themselves too seriously! Proud to be a Mudcat!!!! V
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20 Apr 99 - 11:56 AM (#72178) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: dick greenhaus give a man a fish, and he eats for a day; teach him to fish, and he'll spend the rest of his life in a boat, drinking beer. |
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20 Apr 99 - 12:07 PM (#72183) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: catspaw49 ...with a #8 over the side going after carp and crappie. catspaw |
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20 Apr 99 - 12:18 PM (#72187) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: LEJ Give a man a fish and he'll ask his wife to clean it- teach a man to fish and he'll still be hungry but he'll spend the rest of the week bragging about the size of the one that got away. LEJ |
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20 Apr 99 - 12:39 PM (#72192) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Tony Burns Annette? Hayley? Hey Paw! Stop living my past! Folksinger to die for? Jean Ray (sigh ............) Tony (Mudder of Invention) Burns |
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20 Apr 99 - 04:50 PM (#72253) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Sandy Paton Actually, Rick, my great heart-throb was Lily Langtry. Named my town after her. Oh, no, that was someone else's saloon, wasn't it? In fact, checking on the spelling of her name, I discovered she died the year I was born! News like that can really make a fellow feel antiquated. Sandy, climbing back up to the balcony (creak, groan) |
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20 Apr 99 - 05:20 PM (#72260) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Barry Finn Sandy is that the same Lily that infatuated ROY BEAN, the last law west of the Pecos? There must be a dusty dirt poor song in here somewhere? Barry |
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21 Apr 99 - 12:06 AM (#72341) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Craig Yeah. When I first say Annette it was all over except the shouting. There's never been another girl for me. In my neck of the woods he was known as Mickey Ousob. It was always wild in my neck of the woods. Me, I like the Mudder monicker. Sounds pretty slick to me. Craig
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21 Apr 99 - 12:27 AM (#72347) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Sandy Paton Yeah, pardner, but who's afraid of ol' Roy Bean? See you at NEFFA this weekend, Barry? Sandy |
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21 Apr 99 - 12:32 AM (#72349) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: dick greenhaus Eckshully, for some of us, it's Roy Has-Bean. |
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21 Apr 99 - 12:40 AM (#72351) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing Thanks, Craig! Another vote for Mudder! |
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21 Apr 99 - 04:15 AM (#72385) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: MudGuard Aren't Mudcats the animals hunting and eating Mudmice??? And if we chose Mudcats as a name for us, shouldn't it be Mudtomcats for the men, Mudkittens for the children?! What about Mudchatter? Or does this apply only to those using the chat room? Andreas |
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21 Apr 99 - 04:36 AM (#72387) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: alison Hi, My vote still goes for Mudcateers..... we weren't subjected to the kids in the ears like you lot were...... I get images of Gene Kelly swashbuckling his way into the castle, probably while doing a nifty tap routine...... Slainte alison
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21 Apr 99 - 04:41 AM (#72389) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Helen Hi all, I don't know whether I was the one who first started using the term "Mudcateer" but I know that when the thought occurred to me I had a funny/comic vision of folky-type Musketeers in cyberspace rather than Mouseketeers, although that thought did occur to me later - equally comic image in its own way. Anyway when I say "Mudcateers" I am intending to be gently humourous and not seriously proposing it as a label, but then again, we get reminded here at Mudcat, time and again, about the diversity of our community so I tend to think that only one label would never be enough for all of us at any one time. I like Don Meixner's Mud-cabulary very much. Do you think it should be Mudcataciaous rather than Mudcacious? Helen |
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21 Apr 99 - 10:33 AM (#72422) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter Fisher And then there's the occasional bit of Mudscatology that finds its way into certain threads (not mentioning any names of course). |
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21 Apr 99 - 10:39 AM (#72424) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: catspaw49 Well thank you Peter. catspaw |
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21 Apr 99 - 02:04 PM (#72469) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles I suppose I will have to come off the fence. It didn't seem to be a burning question and still isn't but reading Max's post on the things that he has planned, made me think. He is planning a childrens Mudcat site and it appears to me that for the younger ones at least to be called Mudcateers, might be quite attractive to them? |
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21 Apr 99 - 02:50 PM (#72487) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles God! Didn't that sound patronising? |
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21 Apr 99 - 04:15 PM (#72510) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Joe Offer Yes, very patronizing, Roger. My 20-something kids might be more open to "Mudpunk." -Joe Offer- (that's the AGE, not the number of my children) |
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21 Apr 99 - 04:52 PM (#72518) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Mudjack Mudder gets my vote, not like mother but like a cat who wallers in the mud or a race horse who races best in the mud.However when saying it publicly or at a song circle in mixed company, the gentleman I am, I'm compelled to say mudcatter even though I like "MMMudddders" Jack mostly folk mudder. |
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22 Apr 99 - 02:52 AM (#72641) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Sandy Paton "Mudders" sounds like half a word to me. |
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22 Apr 99 - 03:23 AM (#72647) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Steve Parkes I find I always refer to 'Catters, but that's cos I'm too idle to type Mudcatters in full: otherwise, Mudcatters gets my vote. Well, at least for us over-21s! Steve |
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22 Apr 99 - 03:42 AM (#72651) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Helen Hi again, More thoughts on Mudcateers. I like the Musketeers connection - because we can be swashbuckling fighters for social good when we choose to be (anyone know how to buckle a swash?). Or Mouseketeers because we are all singing, al dancing, all round good entertainers when we choose to be. And I just misspelled and corrected "muscateers" which is also fairly relevant to most folkies I've ever met. Muscat, in Oz, is an alcoholic drink - like port. So even my misspelling seems appropriate. Helen |
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22 Apr 99 - 05:33 AM (#72668) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Banjer Mudcateers...I like it! Just think, some of the more talented among us could even do a parody of the Mouseketeers anthem. MUDCATEERS, MUDCATEERS, FOREVER MAY OUR WEB-SITE WAVE ON HIGH! Now it's time to say good night and turn the 'pewter off...etc... Oh WOW, where can I get my ears? Do they come with the Tee Shirt? I do think that as a diverse a group as the Mouseketeers were, the comparison is apt, for we also are avery diverse yet closeknit group. |
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22 Apr 99 - 06:36 AM (#72673) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: alison All for one........... |
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22 Apr 99 - 11:00 AM (#72720) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing I know I read "Mudwhatevers" in another thread. What to do? What to do? I like it, too! katlaughing, "muddering" to herself |
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22 Apr 99 - 11:44 AM (#72731) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: bbc It was me, kat! That's the kind of thing that happens when I post to serious threads in the middle of the night! bbc (always inclusive) :) |
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22 Apr 99 - 05:52 PM (#72808) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: The Shambles Alison That took me back to a classic 'Round the Horne' sketch, probably not very PC now though. They shout "all for one and one for all"... Kenneth Williams in his best 'camp' voice replies "and I'm one". |
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22 Apr 99 - 08:38 PM (#72858) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Robin McG Have to agree with Helen and I bet with enough muscat we could all buckle a swash! I never wanted to be Annette, I wanted to be Karen because she got to be with Cubby (remembeer his smile ladies?]. |
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23 Apr 99 - 12:28 AM (#72888) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Tucker If I am accepted around here does that mean I am Mudder Tucker? |
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23 Apr 99 - 12:43 AM (#72891) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing Depends on the hours you keep. If they are late, you could be a Tuckered Mudder! |
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24 Apr 99 - 12:14 AM (#73068) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Tucker Ah Kat ya do have a sense of humour. LMAO. |
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24 Apr 99 - 09:55 PM (#73230) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Susan A-R I'm gonna be a mudcaterer, bein' a cook. Now I have to remind you that mudders are those clams you dig up that don't have a clam in 'em, just mud, and I don't want to be one of those. That would be catastrophic. Susan |
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24 Apr 99 - 11:29 PM (#73245) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing Susan the Chef: will you be serving mud-pies fer us Mudders? If it is soporifically treated mud, will it make us catatonic? katlaughing, curiously |
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24 Apr 99 - 11:58 PM (#73248) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Mark Roffe My son just asked me what a "Mudcat" is, and aside from the stuff about catter vs cateer in this thread, I had to face the fact that I haven't a clue as to where the name Mudcat actually comes from! So tell me (and be nice, remember - I'm passing this information on to a 13 year old) why is the site called the Mudcat Cafe? Mark |
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25 Apr 99 - 01:10 AM (#73253) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: DonMeixner Mark, A Mudcat is a local term, Midwest I believe for the river Catfish. They are a bottom feeding fish that is really quite low on the evolutionary scale, So to speak. Simple enough. Be hunting them for 40+ years now, caught one that weighed 16+ pounds once. Don |
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25 Apr 99 - 02:01 AM (#73257) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Joe Offer ...and the Mudcat Cafe started out as a blues site (catfish and deltas and blues go together, dontchaknow), but Good Old Max also made it a home for us folkies, who kind of overran the place. -Joe Offer- |
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25 Apr 99 - 07:18 PM (#73357) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Tucker Don, just a wee 16 pounder? I hope ya threw the minnow back in. |
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25 Apr 99 - 10:35 PM (#73395) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: DonMeixner Tucker, I collect antique fishing tackle and once a year I'd suit up in 1930's kit and hed for the river. This is usually during BullHead(Hornpout for you New Englanders) season when I won't do any harm to the old toys I have. While sitting on a dam in Caughdenoy on the Oneida river I was drinking a local frothy and chatting with my friend Jim when my 19 34 American Fork and Hoe swedged steel rod began to slide along the face of the dam. As I am a man of of action I immediately knew what to do! I said "Jim, Will you hold my beer? I think I have a strike." I picked up the rod with its J.C.Higgins level wind Nickle plated bait caster on board a set the hook, #8 Eagle Claw. What followed was a 45 minute test of will that ended with Jim, holding the extreme end of an 8" net, bent over the face of the dam with his wife sitting on his legs to stop a 15 plunge should things go awry. We landed the Catfish with out further damage to my old tackle or Jims belly. 16 pounds of Mudcat is about as big as your average thigh. We cut it into steaks and barbecued it with Luisianne Sauce and ate it with new potatoes tossed in the coals to cook. Catfish, roasted taters, and steamed collards topped with a Genny Screamer. Middle age doesn't get better than that very often, and when it does my wife has a more integral part. Don
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26 Apr 99 - 01:10 AM (#73437) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: LEJ Great story, Don. Man, I like that technical fishing talk! Reminds me of the time I was tucked into a tight canyon off the Animas, roll-casting a Royal Wulff into some slack water behind a boulder where a 15"Cutthroat was surface-feeding, up to the thighs of my Hodgmans in water as cold and crystal clear as iced vodka...ah, but I digress...LEJ |
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26 Apr 99 - 05:29 PM (#73577) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Frank Howe You have to read this whole thread and then it's clear that "Mudders" is the appropriate name. However when introduced to polite society "M-Cats" should suffice. |
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27 Apr 99 - 03:46 AM (#73690) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing Ah....Frank....Anudder Mudder fer "Mudder"! Thanks! I also like Mudphoaks! |
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27 Apr 99 - 10:14 AM (#73729) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter T. I think it is important to return to the thread in this thread (hmmm) about Annette. Here we find a real dividing line (no, not that line) between Annette lovers and Darlene lovers. While Annette was clearly in the extrovert, let it all hang out, dare I say ethnically extravagant category; for others there was a subtler creature on the block. This is perhaps as significant a line as that drawn between the romantic and the classical, Carnival vs. Carnegie Hall, Technicolor vs. black-and-white, the hot versus the cool. The idea that Darlene would star in a beach movie wearing a (shudder) one piece bathing suit is laughable, and how she would have eviscerated Frankie Avalon does not bear dwelling upon. He edges into the obvious question delicately, putting down his cabernet sauvignon: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GLORIOUS DARLENE?????? Also, again sidestepping the main thread, and adding another problem -- what (as Rick Fielding and I have asked) is the secret Mudcat handshake? Yours, Peter T.,
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27 Apr 99 - 10:30 AM (#73736) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter T. The secret handshake is a new thread ! Yours, Peter T. |
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27 Apr 99 - 12:28 PM (#73758) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: DonMeixner Peter, I believe that Darlene Gillespie became a Woman body builder. I also believe she fell on some hard times and is doing or has done time or had time probated as a result of those hard times. Thanks for your time this time till next time. Don |
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27 Apr 99 - 01:56 PM (#73782) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter T. A net search reveals the following: Monday, November 30, 1998 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS LOS ANGELES -- TV fans first got to know Darlene Gillespie as a freckle-face Mouseketeer, described by Disney publicity as having ``more bounce to the ounce than a bottle of a soda pop.'' She was one of the nine original Mouseketeers who appeared in the first season of the ``Mickey Mouse Club'' and stayed for the duration of the show's 1955-1959 run. Now the 56-year old Gillespie is back in the public eye, with jury selection beginning today for her trial on stock fraud charges. Her fiance has pleaded guilty in the case and been sentenced to prison. During her first season as a Mouseketeer, Gillespie was featured in her own serial, ``Corky and White Shadow,'' about the Wild West adventures of a girl and her heroic dog. In George Woolery's book, Children's Television: The First Thirty-Five Years, Gillespie characterized the serial as ``horrendous.'' Mouseketeer Bobby Burgess said Gillespie was delight as a person and a performer. ``Darlene was so talented, so nice,'' said Burgess, 56, who made a smooth transition from Mouseketeer to dance star on ``The Lawrence Welk Show.'' Burgess, who still makes appearances for Disney and performs with the Welk troupe in Branson, Mo., recalle that in addition to her post-Mouseketeer career as a registered nurse, Gillespie made several attempts to continue in entertainment. ``In Nashville, she tried to get into country-western as Darlene Valentine,'' Burgess recalled. ``She had the talent. Maybe she didn't have the right agent.'' Gillespie and her fiance, Jerry Fraschilla, were charged in a complex stock fraud scheme that involved ``free riding,'' or the purchase of stock without paying for it, and obstruction of justice. Fraschilla, 61 pleaded guilty to 2 federal charges and last month was sentenced to 18 months in prison, plus probation. Gillespie faces 14 counts, including conspiracy, securities fraud and obstruction of justice. ``The defense issimple. She was one of the victimsrather than one of the perpetrators. We're playing it straight,'' her lawyer, Charles Rondeau, said last week. During preliminary court appearances, Gillespie has refused to discuss the case or her childhood career. ``I'd rather not talk about that right now,'' said Gillespie, her polite smile still recalling the girl who once shone in Mickey Mouse ears." Yours, Peter T. |
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27 Apr 99 - 02:07 PM (#73789) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter T. Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Reuters News Service LOS ANGELES (March 11, 1999 10:54 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - One of TV's original "Mouseketeers," Darlene Gillespie, was sentenced Thursday to two years in prison for securities fraud. But she left court defiant and maintaining her innocence. "I am innocent and I believe in all my heart that at the end of the road I will be vindicated," Gillespie, 57, said after her sentence for buying with her boyfriend about $800,000 worth of stock with bad checks. Gillespie -- who was also found guilty of conspiracy relating to the so-called "free-riding" scheme and obstruction of justice -- at trial blamed two stockbrokers and her bookkeeper for the lost money. Outside court, she alluded again to those claims while blasting U.S. District Judge Lourdes Baird, who presided over her case and handed down the sentence. She also blamed federal prosecutors. Specifically, she named Assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Weiss, who prosecuted the case, and U.S. Attorney for Los Angeles Nora Manella. "I hope that Mr. Weiss and the judge and Nora Manella all one day get my broker to handle their affairs," she said. "I did not perjure myself and I did not present knowingly any false documents." And the red-haired Gillespie, who wore brown velour slacks and a rust-colored jacket with faux-rattlesnake lapels to court, said she would appeal her Dec 11 conviction. In handing down the prison term, Baird called "very disturbing" Gillespie's willingness to lie under oath and concoct a false defense to the charges. "I find it very interesting that you were able to go forward and blatantly perjure yourself," the judge said. "You presented a story that was not at all believable. It's sad that you took an oath to tell the truth and then you (lied)." Gillespie -- an original cast member on the "Mickey Mouse Club" television show which ran from 1954 to 1959 -- was convicted of helping her then-boyfriend Jerry Fraschilla of using closed or overdrawn bank accounts to pay for more than 194,000 shares of stock. Then, prosecutors said, the pair lied to Securities and Exchange Commission investigators about the scheme. Fraschilla, 61, who married Gillespie in January, pleaded guilty to similar charges and is currently serving an 18-month prison term. By DAN WHITCOMB |
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27 Apr 99 - 07:08 PM (#73845) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Cuilionn Cannae resist...tho' tae be sure I'm verra sorry for th' hard luck an' a' what led up tae it... Regardin' Darlene's coortruim behavior, she's nae country mouse... Almaist tried tae slip th' jury a Mickey. Let's a' gie Disney a roond o' applause, for fosterin' sic a strong sense o' "imagination" amang oor youth. If th' scheme wairks oot, d'ye suppose they'll Minnie-mize her sentence?!? --Cuilionn, whae's feelin' verra 'Catty th' day... |
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28 Apr 99 - 09:10 AM (#73982) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Peter T. Cuilionn, please, some of us are in deep mourning for the lost love of our childhood. To paraphrase Francois Villon: "Mais ou sont les souris d'antan?". Yours, Peter T. |
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12 Oct 09 - 02:21 PM (#2744299) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: katlaughing Refresh Lore of the 'cat (can't believe this one has never been brought back up!:-) |
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12 Oct 09 - 02:51 PM (#2744324) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: John MacKenzie Maybe because Mudcat as it is now could never sustain a thread like this any more. Of course there is the other reason; a lot of the posters are now dead, or have been driven away by the naysayers, or other personal reasons. JM |
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12 Oct 09 - 03:02 PM (#2744330) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Amos The link Joe posted to Annette's website is extinct, but for those who yearn for reminders, here's all the Annette you can handle. And here's the lovely Darlene in uniform. The years have gone along and it seems that Mudcatters or 'Catters has earned the evolutionary advantage as our nominal meme. M-U-D (Deeeelerious!) C-A-T (Teeeeeeriffic!) H-O-U-S-E! But I still like the idea of joining Sandy Paton on a balcony, our capes flowing in the wind, drawing our lutes or zithers, and leaping into the musical fray. Sproinnnng! Decapitated capos in all directions. Yeeehaw. A |
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12 Oct 09 - 03:08 PM (#2744333) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: olddude Lately the term mudslingers is probably ok also |
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12 Oct 09 - 03:11 PM (#2744340) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: wysiwyg Those Mudcat patches would make lovely mouse ears if we had logo'd MudDuctTape to put them on with ~S~ |
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12 Oct 09 - 06:20 PM (#2744472) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Joe_F One might take the line that there is only one Mudcat, and that we its spawn are Mudkittens; but I forbear. |
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13 Oct 09 - 01:53 AM (#2744674) Subject: Mudcateers forever! From: JesseW I hadn't come across the Mudcateers name before -- and I quite like it... long may the 'cat wave... |
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13 Oct 09 - 03:46 AM (#2744701) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: Bugsy As my old Granny used to say: "Call me whatever you like. Just don't call me late for lunch." Cheers Bugsy |
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13 Oct 09 - 06:29 AM (#2744757) Subject: RE: Mudcatters vs Mudcateers From: bbc It was fun to read it again, kat, particularly the posts by Sandy & Rick. Thanks! Barbara |
