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23 Aug 07 - 09:08 AM (#2131887) Subject: BS: Moose From: Beer A friend sent me the following. Man are we in a globial crises or what!! Beer (adrien) OSLO (AFP) - A grown moose belches out methane gas equivalent to 2,100 kilograms (4,630 pounds) of carbon dioxide a year, contributing to global warming, Norwegian researchers said Wednesday. That is more than twice the amount of CO2 emitted on a round-trip flight across the Atlantic Ocean from Oslo to the Chilean capital Santiago, according to Scandinavian Airlines. "An adult moose emits about 100 kilograms of methane gas a year. But methane gas is much stronger than carbon dioxide, so to get the equivalent you have to multiply by 21," professor Odd Harstad at the Norwegian University of Life Sciences told AFP. With an estimated 140,000 moose roaming Norway's forests, that is a total of of 294,000,000 kilograms of CO2 per year. But Harstad said that was no reason to begin killing off the entire moose population. "Moose have very important functions in nature. They are ruminants that eat the grass. If we don't have ruminants, we have too much grass and that changes the landscape and has consequences for the flora and fauna," he said. Harstad said the figure of 100 kilograms of methane gas was a rough estimate based on earlier calculations for beef cows in Norway. As is the case with cows and other ruminants, methane is produced from the microbes in the moose's stomach which help break down the roughage they eat. Because methane gas is stronger than carbon dioxide, it is considered even more harmful to the environment. Both methane and carbon dioxide are so-called greenhouses gases, one of the main causes of global warming. |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:11 AM (#2131889) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: beardedbruce On a related topic: If belching is a problem, and beer causes belching, shouldn't we ban beer in order to reduce greenhouse gases? After all, is any sacrifice too great to save the planet? Oh, and about beans... |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:19 AM (#2131896) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: artbrooks Huuummm...export this to Norway? And to any location with lots of politicians? |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:22 AM (#2131903) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: Rapparee Gather all the moose into a big domed structure. When they release methane, have fans suck it up and into collection tanks. Distribute the methane so people can use it to cook on and heat their houses and things. Problem solved! |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:24 AM (#2131905) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: beardedbruce STILL causes global warming, though... |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:35 AM (#2131916) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: Rapparee CH4 + 2O2 → CO2 + 2H2O. So every home would have a Collector over the stove which collects the CO2 and the water, combines it, and dispenses it as seltzer! Problem solved. |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:37 AM (#2131918) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: beardedbruce And what amount of methane is produced by beef production? Should we consider beef as harmful as tobacco, and stop raising cattle? No more beer, beans, or beef! Subject: RE: BS: Global warming - the myth From: McGrath of Harlow - PM Date: 04 Jul 07 - 05:20 PM either change your behavior or the end of the world is coming. The point is, it seems pretty certain that something not too far short of that is actually true. An inconvenient truth. |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:37 AM (#2131919) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: beardedbruce Nope- the CO2 still gets into the atmosphere, eventually. |
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23 Aug 07 - 09:44 AM (#2131930) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: Rapparee Okay...the CO2 and the water are recombined to form CH4. The energy for this is supplied by the methane from the moose. Or we could liquify the methane, mix it with lox, stand back, and watch what happens. I kinda like this solution, but then I also like train wrecks. |
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23 Aug 07 - 10:22 AM (#2131954) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: artbrooks Rapaire, the only appropriate thing to mix with lox is cream cheese. |
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23 Aug 07 - 12:39 PM (#2132062) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: Amos Has anyone told NASA about that? IF you keep it hush hush, we can avoid being beaten to our first Mars landing by those Israeli astronauts!! A |
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23 Aug 07 - 01:14 PM (#2132088) Subject: RE: BS: Moose From: Ebbie "When they release methane, have fans suck it up and into collection tanks." Rapaire Rap, I don't know any people who would apply for that job, fans of moose or not. |