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BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting

24 Aug 07 - 11:07 AM (#2132718)
Subject: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Bee

If having a song stuck in your head is an earworm, then having a painting stuck there must be an eyeworm.

In 1983, I was in Boston, and I saw a painting, I think in the Boston MFA (but couldda been another gallery), of Saint Francis of Assisi receiving the stigmata. This involved a horizontal floating in the air Jesus-on-the-cross sending what appear to be red laser beams at the kneeling saint. It was a very large, early European oil painting, and it was in the front foyer/hall of the gallery.

Cana anyone identify this painting and its creator for me? It's driving me nuts trying to remember the artist.


24 Aug 07 - 11:18 AM (#2132721)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: MMario

Attributed to Jan van Eyck


24 Aug 07 - 11:25 AM (#2132725)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Bee

Thank you for the suggestion, MMario, but that isn't it: the painting in question is perhaps six or seven feet tall by three or more wide (I think), a tall narrow painting, the flying Jesus is very distinctive.

I've image-Googled extensively and not found it, so I was hoping a native Bostonite might know of it.


24 Aug 07 - 11:32 AM (#2132728)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: MMario

here's an English one

giotto


24 Aug 07 - 11:36 AM (#2132730)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: ClaireBear

Have you tried simply contacting the museum? The Boston MFA site invites you to do this:

"If you have any questions about a particular artwork from the European collection, whether or not you can find a record for it online, please send an e-mail to webmaster@mfa.org. If you have a particular question or concern regarding the provenance (history of ownership) of a work from the European art collection, please send an e-mail to provenance@mfa.org or visit the MFA's WWII Provenance Research Project Web site."

Good luck!


24 Aug 07 - 11:45 AM (#2132746)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Charley Noble

The Boston MFA likely has a low resolution image of the painting in question on-line. They do offer a service of printing their images for a fee. But I believe you can view them all for free.

Charley Noble


24 Aug 07 - 12:12 PM (#2132807)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Stilly River Sage

It might not be their painting. If it was touring through the area they may be able to tell you what exhibit was there and where it might be located now.

SRS


24 Aug 07 - 01:09 PM (#2132843)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Bee

I may contact the museum. It isn't on their website, I've already gone through the online paintings. It is possible that it was on loan. It's a lot of years ago, and I may even have the wrong gallery: any Boston 'catter able to name another large gallery/museum there?

I also used Google image for Saint Francis paintings with no luck.

Nope, MMario, that isn't it either.


24 Aug 07 - 01:19 PM (#2132851)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: curmudgeon

Google instead, St. Francis stigmata - there are loads of paintings to look at there - Tom


24 Aug 07 - 01:43 PM (#2132860)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Alba

Could it be this one Bee?

imo, that is one odd painting :)
Best of Wishes,
Jude


24 Aug 07 - 01:51 PM (#2132866)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Q (Frank Staplin)

Alba, your site is forbidden.


24 Aug 07 - 01:57 PM (#2132870)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: bobad

Click on the second image here


24 Aug 07 - 01:59 PM (#2132872)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: ClaireBear

What is that thing in the air from which the laser beams are being emitted? It looks like a cross made of two poached salmon, but I'm reasonably sure that's not right...


24 Aug 07 - 02:00 PM (#2132874)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: MMario

That site has versions by Altdorfer,Gozzoli, El Greco, Veneziano, Giotto (3 versions); and Van scorel.


24 Aug 07 - 02:02 PM (#2132876)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: MMario

It's suppossed to be Christ. Most of the paintings of the stigmatization of St. Francis appear to depict Him with three pairs of wings (as in the Revelations - with one pair they flew, with one pair they covered their eyes and with the last they covered their feet) or however it goes.


24 Aug 07 - 02:03 PM (#2132877)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Rapparee

Could be a cross made from fish -- icthyos and all that.


24 Aug 07 - 02:04 PM (#2132879)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Ebbie

Looks like a space craft to me. :)


24 Aug 07 - 02:20 PM (#2132887)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Alba

Sorry about that Q.

Thank you for fixing that bobad. Appreciated muchly.

Yes, it looks like a UFO to me too Ebbie. Perhaps that's why my Blue clicky was forbidden   *smile*

Jude


25 Aug 07 - 10:49 AM (#2133305)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: JennyO

Maybe he's flying a crossed-fish kite.










Well that's as good an answer as any :-)


25 Aug 07 - 12:26 PM (#2133350)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Bee

Not yet, but the image Bobad linked to is certainly related. This thread certainly has provided an opportunity to view a lot of paintings!

The one I hope to find is, as I said, tall and narrow. If I recall correctly, Francis is featured foreground bottom slightly right. High above, and almost horizontal, Jesus is portrayed, fastened to the cross, with six wings, and with what appears to modern eyes to certainly be red laser beams from his wounds to Francis.

It was so strikingly bizarre that my friends and I briefly used it as an alternative to "Lard, T'underin' Jesus!", instead exclaiming "Six-winged Flyin' Jesus on the Cross!" I apologise for any offense taken by the devout, but as religious iconography goes, this truly qualifies as an over the top visual concept.


25 Aug 07 - 12:42 PM (#2133355)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: JennyO

Could it be this one? The caption underneath reads:

A depiction of St Francis receiving the Stigmata, by Cigoli. Rays of light are seen emanating from Christ to pierce St Francis's hands.

The picture and some information is about two thirds of the way down this page.


25 Aug 07 - 01:13 PM (#2133364)
Subject: RE: BS: Eyeworm: Looking up St. Francis painting
From: Bee

That is more like it than any of the others, Jenny O, but I'm almost certain the Jesus was bigger and the wings differently disposed.