20 Sep 07 - 06:36 AM (#2153296) Subject: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Colin Randall ....and just for balance, what about partisan songs about Ireland? You do not need to support political violence to recognise the value of such songs as The Foggy Dew or Tommy Makem's unwarlike but no less nationalistic Four Green Fields I have knowledge of virtually none from a loyalist perspective, beyond one or two forgotten old tapes I once bought in the Shankill, but stand to be corrected. |
20 Sep 07 - 06:46 AM (#2153299) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: PMB Well there's the Ould Orange Flute for a start.... |
20 Sep 07 - 06:54 AM (#2153302) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Colin Randall Yes......that and The Sash, plus the boisterous marching tunes, are among those I'd inexcusably forgotten |
20 Sep 07 - 07:22 AM (#2153311) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: GUEST,Wolfgang Some old ones (that page hurts my eyes in a verbatim sense) If you want to hurt your eyes in another sense and read some really partisan loyalist songs (among the more traditional ones) you have to click here (on Conrad Bladey's site for those who know this name) Wolfgang |
20 Sep 07 - 07:42 AM (#2153322) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Keith A of Hertford The other thread has a suggestion that Troubles songs are post 1960s. Both songs you quote in opening post are in that category. |
20 Sep 07 - 07:45 AM (#2153323) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Keith A of Hertford or 60s. anyway. |
20 Sep 07 - 09:42 AM (#2153393) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: dick greenhaus If you do a search of DigiTrad for @Protestant, you'll find a bunch. |
20 Sep 07 - 10:32 AM (#2153412) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Fred McCormick There's any number of nineteenth century broadsides which rail against the injustices of English imperialism, without descending into the jingoistic f**k the bloody Brits which characterise so many rebel songs. A good place to start looking would be Robert Zimmerman's Songs of Irish Rebellion. It was republished by Four Courts Press a few years ago. |
20 Sep 07 - 11:09 AM (#2153444) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: GUEST,John Moulden Fred doesn't mean Robert Zimmermann, who is better known otherwise, but Georges-Denis Zimmermann. |
20 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM (#2153449) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Fred McCormick A momentary senior moment on my part. |
20 Sep 07 - 12:49 PM (#2153520) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: PoppaGator I had no idea Zimmy was Irish. I thought he was a Jewish guy from Minnesota... |
20 Sep 07 - 01:36 PM (#2153558) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: GUEST The Foggy Dew and Four Green Fields are from the 1960s, Keith?? |
20 Sep 07 - 01:57 PM (#2153573) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: ard mhacha The Foggy Dew was written by Canon Charles O`Neill in 1919. |
21 Sep 07 - 03:12 AM (#2154081) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Keith A of Hertford Of course. sorry. Four Green Fields was 60s though. |
21 Sep 07 - 04:50 AM (#2154107) Subject: RE: Songs of Irish rebellion & conflict From: Fred McCormick He's Swiss. His book, Songs of Irish Rebellion is his Phd thesis and is absolutely essential for anyone interested in Irish traditional song. Confusing his name with that of Bob Dylan was a silly mistake on my part............... "I had no idea Zimmy was Irish. I thought he was a Jewish guy from Minnesota..." |