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15 Oct 07 - 09:49 AM (#2171515) Subject: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Looking over the DT threads connected to "Whiskey You're the Divil," I didn't find any information about its origin. Sounds like it must have an interesting history. But the first I know of it is its performance by the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem in the 1950s. 1. Can anyone trace it back BEFORE Makem and the Clancys? Was it one of the Makem family's songs? Derived from Sarah Makem? Someone else? Could someone who has the Clancy Bros Songbook check the notes to see if they say anything about its history? 2. I'm curious in particular because it sounds like a medley of two or three songs. There is the "Whiskey you're the divil" part, which is usually given as a refrain. It sounds as if it goes with the second verse, "Says the mother, do not wrong me." 3. Then comes the first verse with its "marchin' off to Portugal and Spain" part, which sounds like a piece of a different song -- perhaps a soldier's song? -- and yet another refrain, "Love, fare thee well." This seems to go best with the third verse, which has a French war theme. 4. Then there's "Tithery aye the oodle um a da" or equivalent, with "whiskey in the jar," a phrase we know from at least one other song, "Kilgarry (or far famed Kerry, etc.) Mountain." Yet another refrain! From yet another song? 5 I have long had a hunch that "Whiskey in the jar," which sounds tacked onto both songs, might be the remnant of a separate (lost?) drinking song called "Whiskey in the Jar." Does anyone have an opinion on this, or know of such a song? 6 Then, if this song really is a medley, does anyone have any information on who first put it together? Could it date back to some earlier Irish singing group? (The McNulty Family comes to mind, but there were many more.) Thanks all, Bob |
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15 Oct 07 - 10:25 AM (#2171536) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Joe, I meant to title this thread "Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil," but a brain cell must have gone bzzzt. If you get a chance, would you add "Origins" to the title for me? Thanks, Bob
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15 Oct 07 - 10:42 AM (#2171548) Subject: RE: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Uncle_DaveO "Whiskey In The Jar" is NOT lost. It's the one you referred to as "Kilgarry Mountain". I haven't looked at it at this moment, but I'd bet heavy money it's in the DT. Dave Oesterreich |
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15 Oct 07 - 06:33 PM (#2171899) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter Bob, the song appears to descend largely from the broadside "John and Moll," dated by the Bodleian to some time between 1790 amd 1840: http://bodley24.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/acwwweng/ballads/image.pl?ref=Harding+B+25(976)&id=09760.gif&seq=1&size=0 O'Neill has a hornpipe called "Whiskey, You're the Devil," which is really the same as "Off to California," but in the key of A. |
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15 Oct 07 - 07:15 PM (#2171927) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST Chorus: "Whiskey, you're the divil, You're leadin' me astray! Over hills and mountains, And to Amerikay. You're sweeter, stronger, decent-er, You're spunkier than tay; Oh, whiskey, you're me darlin' drunk or sober." I always thought it sounded almost like a compendium of immigration, drinking, rebellion and conscription or anti-war songs, all rolled into one. As indicated, I, too,first heard this done by the Clancy Brothers, circa 1959. There is a part that goes, "...Men are dying hot and cowardly; Give every man his flask of powder, his firelock on his shoulder, Love, fare thee well......" |
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15 Oct 07 - 07:52 PM (#2171954) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Uncle DaveO, I was speculating whether there might be a preceding song "Whiskey In the Jar" from which "Kilgarry Mountain" later drew part or all of its chorus. I think that's a serious possibility. Lighter, thanks for that reference. I'll have to wait till I can get on another computer. For some reason I'm unable to access the Bodleian from this one. I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing that broadside. Bob |
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15 Oct 07 - 10:06 PM (#2172010) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Back from a wild 'n wooly trip through the Bodleian and some other sources too. It appears that much of my instinct about "Whiskey You're the Divil" is borne out. This is the first of several messages in which I'll try to lay out the song's origins (found!) and disentangle its different parts. First, and most important, a lucky find of a reference on Liam Clancy's messageboard -- http://www.liamclancy.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=1176&forum=Messageboard -- tipped me to a series of messages. After some discussion of "Whiskey You're the Divil," a contributor, Sean, states that "the song was written in America by a Jewish-American lawyer for a friend of his who was an Irish-American judge." Sean located the sheet music at American Memory. I traced that sheet music. It credits the song to Jerry Barrington, the "great Irish vocalist." He wrote and published it in 1873 for James Bracken, Esq. of New York. The words are substantially the same. (By the way, Sean cites Tommy Makem as stating that the Clancy Bros. never recorded the song. Untrue. They did it on their Tradition LP "Come Fill a Glass With Us" as "Whiskey You're the Devil," with Liam soloing. The notes say Patrick Clancy learned the song from his grandmother.) Here is the Barrington original. Note the variance in the refrain. But "Whiskey in the jar" does appear -- borrowed, it would seem, from the earlier "Kilgarry Mountain," which appears in four apparently identical broadsides, the oldest dating between 1846 and 1854. (It may seem quixotic, but I still insist it's worth searching for an EARLIER "Whiskey in the Jar" song from which "Kilgarry Mountain" and its later versions like "Whiskey in the Bar" derived their chorus line.) WHISKEY YOU'RE THE DIVIL Written and composed by Jerry Barrington, Arr. by R. Steirly. Published by E. H. Harding, 288 Bowery, NY 1873. Now brave boys we're on for marching off to Portigil [sic] and Spain, Drums are beating, colors flying, divil a home we'll go again, Love farewell. Cho: With my Re arruh arrah, with my re arrul arrah, My re arruh a raddy, Oh! There's Whiskey in the jar. Oh! Whiskey you're the Divil, you've led me astray, Over hills and over mountains, and out of the way, You're stronger, sweeter, decent, and spunk-er than tea, Oh whiskey you're my darling, drunk or sober. Says the mother, do not wrong me, do not take my daughter from me, If you do I will torment you, and after death my ghost will haunt you, Now the drums are beating boldly, men are dying hot and coldly, Give ev'ry man his flask of powder, and his firelock on his shoulder, |
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15 Oct 07 - 10:15 PM (#2172011) Subject: Lyr Add: JOHN AND MOLL From: GUEST,Bob Coltman The broadside "John and Moll" to which Lighter referred me, dated by the Bodleian to between 1790 and 1840, does seem to be the root of the military part of "Whiskey You're the Divil." Plainly Barrington, in composing his song, remembered some lines from it. The broadside runs as follows. JOHN AND MOLL As John and Moll did lie composed On a bed of sweet primroses; Colours flying, drums a-beating, March, my lads, there's no retreating, Cho: Love, farewell, darling, farewell, For we are all for marching. O, soldier dear, pray do not wrong me, Do not take my daughter from me, If you do, I shall torment you, And after death my ghost shall haunt you, O mother dear, I will not wrong you, Neither take your daughter from you, If I do, you shall torment me, After death your ghost shall haunt me, Our captain cries, Lads, all be ready, March, my boys, let's all be steady, There's every man with his ball and powder, And every lad his firelock on his shoulder, Hark, I hear the drums are beating, March, my boys, there's no retreating, Drums are beating, colours flying, Cannons roaring, soldiers dying, Farewell my dear, since I must leave you, Do not let my absence grieve you, If you wait for my returning, I will [ease?] you of your mourning [moaning?], [The final line is badly blotted in the broadside copy and difficult to read.] |
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15 Oct 07 - 10:29 PM (#2172018) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Miscellany: The Bodleian also has a song called "The Whiskey," not related, but it has two intriguing opening lines with the same sentiment: Whiskey, you are my own darling, I love you both early and late, ... And finally, it's interesting that the four-line melody of "Whiskey you're the divil, you're leadin' me astray, Over hills and mountains, and [to Americay], You're sweeter, cleaner, decenter, you're spunkier nor tay, Oh whiskey, you're my darling, drunk or sober" is echoed closely, though not exactly, in the 1913 pop song "Too Ra Loo Ra Loo Ral (That's an Irish Lullaby," written by James Royce Shannon (1881-1946), which premiered in the show "Shameen Dhu" produced by Chauncey Olcott, and later became a hit for Bing Crosby, who sang it in "Going My Way" (1944). Seems as if Shannon had been listening hard to Barrington's song! "Toora" has had a long life and is still current as a favorite lullaby: Toora loora loora, toora loora li, Toora loora loora, hush now, don't you cry, Toora loora loora, toora loora li, Toora loora loora, that's an Irish lullaby. A version was done by The Band on The Last Waltz. Info from: http://theband.hiof.no/lyrics/tura_lura_lural.html Bob |
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15 Oct 07 - 11:08 PM (#2172047) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Maryrrf Bob, thanks for researching this. I too had wondered about the origins of the song. |
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03 Aug 10 - 09:17 PM (#2957684) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,lew becker If anyone is still interested in this thread - I came across a song published in the Fireman's Songster published by A. Winch in Philadelphia with a copyright date of 1868. One song is "Whisky, You're a Villyan." It says - "as sung by Frank Drew. Music published by Marsh's 1029 Chestnut Street". Chestnut Street is a Philadelphia address. Words are: Whisky you're a villyan, you led me astray, Over bogs, over briers, and out of my way, You wrestled me a fall and you threw me today, But I'll toss you tomorrow, when I'm sober. Still whisky you're my comfort by night and by day, You're stronger and sweeter and spunkier than tay, One naggin of spirits is worth tuns of bohay, But above a pint I never could get over. 3d verse - omitted by me. So goodbye whisky jewel, it's the last word I'll say, Shake hands and part friends, now I'll stick to bohay, There's a bade on your lip! Let me kiss it away- Acushla, you're my darling drunk or sober. The resemblance to the song made famous by the Clancys is very clear. To me it suggests that there was a well known song before Barrington's copyright in 1873. Lew Becker |
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04 Aug 10 - 10:44 AM (#2957980) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: meself Two questions that demand to be answered: 1) What is "bohay"?; and, 2) Why did you omit the third verse? No, three questions: 3) Can we see the third verse? |
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04 Aug 10 - 06:09 PM (#2958375) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,lew becker I think, from the context, that "bohay" must refer to wine. I did a brief Google search and found some wine under "bohae". But I don't know. I omitted the third verse to save myself some typing in case no one was interested in the thread. Here's the verse - Sweet whisky, you're a coaxer, I'd best keep away, If your lips I once taste, sure its wid you I'd stay, So I'll make up my mind, and my mouth too, this day, To drink no more whisky till I'm sober. |
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04 Aug 10 - 11:16 PM (#2958523) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: meself Ah, thank you, sir. I can now sleep easy, drunk or sober. |
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07 May 13 - 09:27 PM (#3512815) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Oz Childs Bohay = Bohea (Chinese black tea) |
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15 May 13 - 07:30 PM (#3515534) Subject: Lyr Add: WHISKEY YOU'RE A VILLYAN (Frank Drew) From: Jim Dixon Here's a more complete version of the broadside that Lew Becker referred to above, which can be viewed at Brown University Digital Repository. This copy keeps the original spelling and punctuation: WHISKEY, YOU'RE A VILLYAN. Written and sung by Mr. Frank Drew. Entered according to Act of Congress A. D. 1865, by J. Marsh, in the Clerk's Office of the District Court of the Eastern District of Pa. Oh! Whiskey you're a villyan, you led me astray, Over bogs, over briers, an' out of my way, You wrastled me a fall, an' you threw me to-day, But I'll toss you to-morrow when I'm sober. Whiskey, you're a villyan, &c. Still Whiskey you're my comfort, by night an' by day, You're stronger, an' are sweeter, an' spunkier than tay, One naggin o' spirits is worth tons of Bohay, But above a pint I never could get over. Whiskey, you're a villyan, &c. Sweet Whiskey, you're a coaxer, I'd best keep away, If you're lips I once taste, sure it's wid you I'd stay, So I'll make up my mind, an' my mouth, too, this day, To drink no more Whiskey till I'm sober. Whiskey, you're a villyan, &c. So good bye, Whiskey, jewel, it's the last word I'll say, Shake hands and part friends, now I'll stick to Bohay, There's a bade on your lip! let me kiss it away, Acushla, you're my darlin', drunk or sober. Whiskey, you're a villyan, &c. J. Marsh Music Publisher, No. 1029 Chestnut Street, Philada |
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20 Feb 14 - 01:10 PM (#3603275) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,JSkid Maybe I go too far, but could the deepest roots of this song come from all the way back to the Nine Years War? |
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25 Aug 14 - 11:00 AM (#3653858) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,Chris Zajdler Simmons Apparently JOHN AND MOLL also was apparently rewritten during the Napoleonic Wars as LOVE FAREWELL. Some of the verses are the same - or nearly the same. The refrain for LOVE FAREWELL is simply "Love Farewell". |
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25 Aug 14 - 12:48 PM (#3653896) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Big Al Whittle thanks for this thread - a lovely insight into the folk process, the different syntheses that singers and writers have made for their various times in history and disparate audiences. love Mudcat and Mudcatters! |
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25 Aug 14 - 11:50 PM (#3654083) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Mrrzy Boy I love this place. This seemed like such a standard drinking song I never wondered about the origins (I had it from the Clancy Brothers too)... and I had a little mondegreen for a while, since they pronounce Boldly and Coldly as if they had a few more syllables than we Americans use, I heard them dying as hot or cowardly... even though I had understood bowedly to mean boldly, go figure. Fascinating stuff, do tell more. |
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21 Sep 16 - 08:29 PM (#3810775) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST My mondegreen for this was "Over hills and mountains, until I'm married gay." |
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21 Sep 16 - 10:07 PM (#3810785) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Mrrzy Love this place. So was it a particular war they were off to, in Iberia? |
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09 Apr 17 - 08:24 AM (#3849643) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,seamus pender Any one familiar with this version "Whiskey you're my darlin' you wear a gold crown, whiskey you're my darlin' come dance me round & round...." |
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09 Apr 17 - 10:37 PM (#3849759) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,anglo There's a version of Love Farewell in Lewis Winstock's Songs & Music of the Redcoate. Also recorded, by one of the Druids I think, on the LP (Argo?) of many of these songs. There's also a version of John And Molly recorded on Louth Mouths from Drogheda, Donal Maguire et al. |
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10 Apr 17 - 03:20 AM (#3849772) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Teribus Verse one of the version we used to sing was "Brave boys are all for marchin' To Portugal and Spain Down the street their banners flyin' Devils own they'll be tonight And Love fare the well" Etc. Last verse went "Now the French are fighting boldly Dying all too coldly Give everyman his flask of powder And his flintlock ower his shoulder And Love fare thee well" Would seem to put that in the Napoleonic era and of the time of Wellington. The reference to the "flask of powder" might seem at first anachronistic as the smoothbore muskets of this era fired premade charges made in paper cartridges, the flintlock Baker Rifles however did not, so the song in this version would indicate 95th or, more likely with the reference to America the 60th Rifles. |
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10 Apr 17 - 09:54 AM (#3849841) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter Barrington's 1873 song is interesting proof that a song *about* something (in this case the Peninsular War) may have been composed long after the event. Since "Amerikay" isn't in Barrington's original, it probably edged its way in as more interesting and euphonious than "out of the way." As for "firelocks" and "flasks of powder," there's no need to assume that Barrington was a military historian. The song may have been composed (or rewritten as the case may be) as part of a long lost vaudeville skit of the 1870s. |
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26 Apr 17 - 08:50 AM (#3852517) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Jim Carroll "Lewis Winstock's Songs & Music of the Redcoate. " This is Winstock's note on the song which places it in the period of the American War of Independence Jim Carroll Yet this song, so unmistakably Irish in melody and words, almost certainly had its origin in an English nine-verse broadside ballad of the American War of Independence. 2nd verse The drums are beating to alarm them, We wish to stay still in your arms. But we must go and cross the ocean, The Americans keep us all in motion, A long farewell. 4th verse I think I hear my brother crying, 'March, my lads, the colours flying. Our cause is just, we'll be victorious, If we're killed our death is glorious, 7th verse Dear mothers, weep not for us, We're going to fight for Britain's glory. Our country calls, our courage to display. The drums are beating, there's no delay. This ballad may have been written with an established Irish melody in mind, or the melody may have been composed for the words by some forgotten Irish fiddler or harpist, or words and tune may just have been thrown together because they happened to suit. Whatever the circum¬stances may be, hove farewell is certainly an Anglo-Irish hybrid. Only one traditional English song was found in the redcoats' repertoire, but it is a melody of great beauty that belies the critics who pretended, throughout the 19th century, that the English soldier was incapable of singing any but the simplest tunes. In 1807 a needless campaign was undertaken in Egypt, then a province of the Turkish Empire. The British occupied Alexandria, but their attempts to venture further afield were effectively halted by an Albanian general named Mehemmet Ali. The night before a disastrous foray which ended in the Battle of El Hamed, an infantry commissary sang a "gay old English carol" in the cold of the desert, and twenty or thirty voices came in on the chorus.68 The carol was called The owl. |
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10 Mar 18 - 07:47 AM (#3910340) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST,steve hassmer Hi all, Wow! What a great source of information!! posting this question here as it looks like the most recent replies were here: What does the lyric "rikes fall, tour a laddie" or "me right fol torral addee" mean? Have seen both .... I am going to be singing this song, but don't know what this lyric means. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!! |
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10 Mar 18 - 08:03 AM (#3910341) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter Like "doodly doodly doo," meaningless sounds to make to the music. |
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10 Mar 18 - 08:10 AM (#3910342) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: GUEST Ah!! Explains why I couldn't find it! Thanks! |
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10 Mar 18 - 11:44 AM (#3910373) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: meself Either that - or it's an ancient Druid magic spell that turns beer green on one day of the year - when the sun is in the proper position, of course. |
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06 Sep 21 - 03:35 AM (#4118946) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Levana Taylor So I guess Barrington's innovation was combining the two pre-existing songs "John and Moll" and "Whiskey, You're a Villain"? If so, the recent popularity of that version shows that he had a good inspiration! On his album "Ye Lovers All," Len Graham recorded a wonderful, bouncing song which he just titled "The Whiskey Song" - he says he got it from Fintan McManus's mother Rose McManus. The refrain is from "Whiskey, You're a Villain" but the verses are not like anything I've so far found anywhere else. THE WHISKEY SONG As sung by Len Graham REFRAIN: Oh, whiskey, oh, whiskey, you've led me astray, Over hedges and ditches and briars far away. If I rattled you I'd fall, but I own you won the day. I'll meet you on some other early morning. As John walked o'er the floor to his mother he did say, "Oh, mother, dearest mother," aye, and this to her did say, "Will you loan me a few shillings before I go away? And I'll pay you when I come back in the morning." "To loan you a few shillings it's a thing I don't intend. I never used the means that I ought to have done in time, And to loan you a few shillings, sure you know they are but few, I need them for the grocer in the morning." "Throw your coat around your shoulders and come along with me, We'll join for a pint and we'll have ourselves a spree, And when my money is all spent you'll buy a pint for me, And we'll all be in good humour in the morning." On looking o'er my shoulder and to my great surprise, The old lady with the pot-stick at me she made a rise. I jumped out of her road right manfully and this to her did say, "It's a fine excuse for stopping out 'til morning!" Of all the good in whiskey that ever yet was known, It makes the girls so frisky and good about their own. The more that they drink of it, sure the less they think of home. I long to see my darling in the morning. |
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25 Aug 23 - 11:09 PM (#4179974) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: BenTraverse Is the name of the English ballad Winstock refers to as the roots of "Love Farewell" known? It looks like neither "Love Farewell" nor the verses given as an example of the English are in the Petrie collection which Winstock gives as his source. It's possible I missed it though. Winstock cites the British Museum, 1162.c.2. Naval Songs and Ballads (Charles Harding Firth, 1909) also cites this same pressmark when talking about the song "A Song in Praise of Captain Hornsby" saying it's from The Pretty Milkmaid's Garland. Looks like the answer would be in there? I can't find anything online, and the British Museum is a little out of reach for me here in the US. It could be something really obvious that I'm just missing though. Exiting that the Ballad Index dates the song at 1901 with fragments of the chorus in The Mulligans (Edward Harring), but this thread has pushed that way back to 1873 with roots going all the way back to potentially the 1700s! |
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26 Aug 23 - 07:29 AM (#4179991) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter The Hornsby song doesn't look like anything we've discussed on this thread, though a line or two found its way into "Paul Jones" some years later. (Oxford - I assume - dates the garland to "ca1765.") Will post if anyone's interested. |
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26 Aug 23 - 11:56 AM (#4180007) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: BenTraverse I don't think the song itself is relevant to the thread, I'm more wondering if The Pretty Milkmaid's Garland cited as British Museum pressmark 1162.c.2 in Naval Songs and Ballads would also have the song Winstock is saying was the roots for "Love Farewell". |
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26 Aug 23 - 11:56 AM (#4187475) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: BenTraverse I don't think the song itself is relevant to the thread, I'm more wondering if The Pretty Milkmaid's Garland cited as British Museum pressmark 1162.c.2 in Naval Songs and Ballads would also have the song Winstock is saying was the roots for "Love Farewell". |
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26 Aug 23 - 02:01 PM (#4187471) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter There's nothing in the garland (with that shelf mark) that resembles the verses from Winstock that Jim posted in 2017, and nothing with a "Love farewell" refrain. The "nine-stanza" song in "The Pretty Milk-Maid's Garland" is called "On the Bloody Battle of Almanza" and bears no resemblance to verses Winstock quotes. A sample: Colonel Stanhope he was slain, And likewise Colonel Ashton; Captain Page was a civil Man, His own dear Life did cost him. Major Lawrence he was slain,' And likewise brave Commanders, Who fought most stout for England's Crown, Some years all in great Flanders. (Other lines describe horrors of the battlefield. The battle was fought on April 25, 1707, during the War of the Spanish Succession.) |
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26 Aug 23 - 02:01 PM (#4180021) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter There's nothing in the garland (with that shelf mark) that resembles the verses from Winstock that Jim posted in 2017, and nothing with a "Love farewell" refrain. The "nine-stanza" song in "The Pretty Milk-Maid's Garland" is called "On the Bloody Battle of Almanza" and bears no resemblance to verses Winstock quotes. A sample: Colonel Stanhope he was slain, And likewise Colonel Ashton; Captain Page was a civil Man, His own dear Life did cost him. Major Lawrence he was slain,' And likewise brave Commanders, Who fought most stout for England's Crown, Some years all in great Flanders. (Other lines describe horrors of the battlefield. The battle was fought on April 25, 1707, during the War of the Spanish Succession.) |
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28 Aug 23 - 01:38 AM (#4180102) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: BenTraverse Bummer! Dead end. Any thoughts on what Winstock's 1162.c.2 citation could be referring to then? Is The Pretty Milkmaid's Garland available somewhere online that I just missed? Or do you have access to it in person? I'm still curious to check it out. |
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28 Aug 23 - 01:38 AM (#4187476) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: BenTraverse Bummer! Dead end. Any thoughts on what Winstock's 1162.c.2 citation could be referring to then? Is The Pretty Milkmaid's Garland available somewhere online that I just missed? Or do you have access to it in person? I'm still curious to check it out. |
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28 Aug 23 - 08:26 AM (#4187474) Subject: Lyr Add: Whiskey Is The Devil (In Liquid Form) From: cnd Unrelated, but a similar enough name: Whiskey Is The Devil (In Liquid Form). The message is very subtle, no? WHISKEY IS THE DEVIL (IN LIQUID FORM) See that man walking over yonder See his clothes all ragged and worn He's led a drunkard's life, he's headed for destruction Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Worried wives, gray-haired mothers Into this life helpless children are born Just because of that bar down the corner Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Take a visit to most any prison See the prisoners sad and forlorn The most of them will say that drinking caused it Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Strong drink is the devil's greatest weapon In the Holy Bible we are warned The drunkard's grave is the promise for a drunkard Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Worried wives, gray-haired mothers Into this life helpless children are born Just because of that bar down the corner Whiskey is the devil in liquid form |
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28 Aug 23 - 08:26 AM (#4180113) Subject: Lyr Add: Whiskey Is The Devil (In Liquid Form) From: cnd Unrelated, but a similar enough name: Whiskey Is The Devil (In Liquid Form). The message is very subtle, no? WHISKEY IS THE DEVIL (IN LIQUID FORM) See that man walking over yonder See his clothes all ragged and worn He's led a drunkard's life, he's headed for destruction Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Worried wives, gray-haired mothers Into this life helpless children are born Just because of that bar down the corner Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Take a visit to most any prison See the prisoners sad and forlorn The most of them will say that drinking caused it Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Strong drink is the devil's greatest weapon In the Holy Bible we are warned The drunkard's grave is the promise for a drunkard Whiskey is the devil in liquid form Worried wives, gray-haired mothers Into this life helpless children are born Just because of that bar down the corner Whiskey is the devil in liquid form |
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28 Aug 23 - 09:38 AM (#4180123) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter I have access to the garland through the Gale ECCO database via my university library. Your local library may have access too. It's quite a resource: Eighteenth Century Collections Online. Winstock's song, "The Soldier's FareWELL,"[sic] appears in "Britannia's Garland: Containing Four Excellent New Songs," tentatively identified as "1775?...Newcastle-upon-Tyne?" My dearest girls we are now amarching, [sic Alas, it is a sorrowful parting! Since no longer you can attend us, It is past your power now to befriend us. A long farewel. [sic The drums are beating to alarm them, We wish to stay still in your arms; But we must go and cross the ocean, The Americans keep us all in motion, A long farewel. How happy we've been in this city, To leave it now we think it a pity; But our presence is wanted yonder, Where the cannons roar like thunder. A long farewel. I think I hear my brother crying, March, my lads, the colours flying. Our cause is just, we'll be victorious, If we're killed our death is glorious. A long farewel. Base be the man that this invented, We with with our states might be contented; Thousand of lives there are destroy'd, [sic Still we'll march in peace and Joy. But what's the point of these reflections, To go abroad we've no objections; We'll serve his Majesty with pleasure, As we are supported by his treasure. A long farewel. |
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28 Aug 23 - 09:38 AM (#4187472) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter I have access to the garland through the Gale ECCO database via my university library. Your local library may have access too. It's quite a resource: Eighteenth Century Collections Online. Winstock's song, "The Soldier's FareWELL,"[sic] appears in "Britannia's Garland: Containing Four Excellent New Songs," tentatively identified as "1775?...Newcastle-upon-Tyne?" My dearest girls we are now amarching, [sic Alas, it is a sorrowful parting! Since no longer you can attend us, It is past your power now to befriend us. A long farewel. [sic The drums are beating to alarm them, We wish to stay still in your arms; But we must go and cross the ocean, The Americans keep us all in motion, A long farewel. How happy we've been in this city, To leave it now we think it a pity; But our presence is wanted yonder, Where the cannons roar like thunder. A long farewel. I think I hear my brother crying, March, my lads, the colours flying. Our cause is just, we'll be victorious, If we're killed our death is glorious. A long farewel. Base be the man that this invented, We with with our states might be contented; Thousand of lives there are destroy'd, [sic Still we'll march in peace and Joy. But what's the point of these reflections, To go abroad we've no objections; We'll serve his Majesty with pleasure, As we are supported by his treasure. A long farewel. |
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28 Aug 23 - 09:46 AM (#4187473) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter Let's start again. I have access to the garland through the Gale ECCO database via my university library. Your local library may have access too. It's quite a resource: Eighteenth Century Collections Online. Winstock's song, "The Soldier's FareWELL,"[sic] appears in "Britannia's Garland: Containing Four Excellent New Songs," tentatively identified as "1775?...Newcastle-upon-Tyne?" My dearest girls we are now amarching, [sic Alas, it is a sorrowful parting! Since no longer you can attend us, It is past your power now to befriend us. A long farewel. [sic The drums are beating to alarm them, We wish to stay still in your arms; But we must go and cross the ocean, The Americans keep us all in motion, A long farewel. How happy we've been in this city, To leave it now we think it a pity; But our presence is wanted yonder, Where the cannons roar like thunder. A long farewel. I think I hear my brother crying, March, my lads, the colours flying. Our cause is just, we'll be victorious, If we're killed our death is glorious. A long farewel. Base be the man that this invented, We with with our states might be contented; Thousand of lives there are destroy'd, [sic Still we'll march in peace and Joy. A long farewel. But what's the point of these reflections, To go abroad we've no objections; We'll serve his Majesty with pleasure, As we are supported by his treasure. A long farewel. dear Mothers, weep not for us, [sic We're going to fight for Britain's glory; Our country calls, our courage to display. The Drums are beating, there's no delay. A long farewel. Oh our Wives and dearest children, Still the heavenly powers befriend them! Still be their guide, and still support them, Since no longer we can resort them. A long farewel. Oh, dearest friends, we're going to leave you, Let not our Absence sore aggrieve you; When these wars are fairly over, All these Troubles we'll recover. Farewel till then. I think the relationship to "Whisky, You're the Devil" is minimal. |
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28 Aug 23 - 09:46 AM (#4180127) Subject: RE: Origins: Whiskey You're the Divil From: Lighter Let's start again. I have access to the garland through the Gale ECCO database via my university library. Your local library may have access too. It's quite a resource: Eighteenth Century Collections Online. Winstock's song, "The Soldier's FareWELL,"[sic] appears in "Britannia's Garland: Containing Four Excellent New Songs," tentatively identified as "1775?...Newcastle-upon-Tyne?" My dearest girls we are now amarching, [sic Alas, it is a sorrowful parting! Since no longer you can attend us, It is past your power now to befriend us. A long farewel. [sic The drums are beating to alarm them, We wish to stay still in your arms; But we must go and cross the ocean, The Americans keep us all in motion, A long farewel. How happy we've been in this city, To leave it now we think it a pity; But our presence is wanted yonder, Where the cannons roar like thunder. A long farewel. I think I hear my brother crying, March, my lads, the colours flying. Our cause is just, we'll be victorious, If we're killed our death is glorious. A long farewel. Base be the man that this invented, We with with our states might be contented; Thousand of lives there are destroy'd, [sic Still we'll march in peace and Joy. A long farewel. But what's the point of these reflections, To go abroad we've no objections; We'll serve his Majesty with pleasure, As we are supported by his treasure. A long farewel. dear Mothers, weep not for us, [sic We're going to fight for Britain's glory; Our country calls, our courage to display. The Drums are beating, there's no delay. A long farewel. Oh our Wives and dearest children, Still the heavenly powers befriend them! Still be their guide, and still support them, Since no longer we can resort them. A long farewel. Oh, dearest friends, we're going to leave you, Let not our Absence sore aggrieve you; When these wars are fairly over, All these Troubles we'll recover. Farewel till then. I think the relationship to "Whisky, You're the Devil" is minimal. |