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23 Oct 07 - 07:33 PM (#2177679) Subject: Different songs, same title From: GUEST,Gerry In another thread, there's a discussion of Redwing Blackbird, where it's noted that there are two entirely different songs by this name, one by Billy Edd Wheeler, one by David Francey. Another Wheeler title, Coal Tattoo, was used a few years ago by a Sydney-area songwriter for an entirely different song she wrote. There are two very different songs called The Foggy Dew. I'm sure there are dozens (hundreds? thousands?) of other examples of pairs of songs with the same titles. Maybe it would be useful to collect as many as we can in this thread. Or maybe this has already been done, and someone will be kind enough to tell me where to look. |
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23 Oct 07 - 07:56 PM (#2177694) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Nick E Only two songs with that name? The name of the song? it must It must.......not be so good!? |
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23 Oct 07 - 08:05 PM (#2177700) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: The Walrus How many different songs are there called "The Plains of Waterloo?" |
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23 Oct 07 - 08:29 PM (#2177709) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: McGrath of Harlow Two "Galway Bays" |
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23 Oct 07 - 08:31 PM (#2177710) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: john f weldon Bluebird of Happiness |
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23 Oct 07 - 08:37 PM (#2177713) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: john f weldon Sitting on Top of the World -no relationship between the al Jolson song and the well-known folk-blues song On the other hand there are songs that go so far astray that they become new songs... Didn't He Ramble... ...done by various New Orleans Bands, you'd hardly know it was once Darby Ram.... |
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23 Oct 07 - 09:23 PM (#2177729) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: topical tom Two versions of "The Blue Velvet Band", one sung by Hank Snow: On her cheeks was the first flush of nature, Her beauty it seemed to expand Her hair hung down in long tresses Tied back by a blue velvet band. The other by I'm not sure who: I was walking one morning in Frisco The hour was just about nine When I spied a beautiful maiden On the corner of 40 and Pine We walked down the street together In my pocket she placed her small hand She planted the evidence on me The girl in the blue velvet band. I know most if not all of the second version but I will have to look up the lyrics of the first. |
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23 Oct 07 - 09:34 PM (#2177733) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: topical tom The Blue Velvet Band Yet another versionBy and old willow tree in the churchyard On the banks of the old Rio Grande Lies a loved one who died broken hearted She was known as the Blue Velvet Band She was called by the angels up yonder As the dew kissed the pale summer rose As we stood there in silence, dishearted These words to her lover did go Dear Jack, you mistrusted your darling You said that my love wasn't true You've roamed o'er the wide open spaces But my thoughts, they were always of you Now, my last wish was once more to see you But they say you're in some foreign land You're forgiveness is in this last message From your heartbroken Blue Velvet Band Far away o'er the lone western prairie Her message sped fast o'er the way To the side of a bed where her cowboy Was grieving his life fast away Please grant a last wish, boys, and lay me Out West on that old Rio Grande Neath that old willow tree in the churchyard By my sweetheart, the Blue Velvet Band |
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23 Oct 07 - 10:56 PM (#2177783) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: dick greenhaus Titles, as someone has (probably too often) said, are a snare and a delusion. That's why DigiTrad was set up, from its inception, to permit searching by words and phrases within the lyrics. |
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24 Oct 07 - 03:06 AM (#2177825) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Declan In Ireland most versions of that song (and there are many) are called The Black Velvet Band. There are many similarly called songs which can cause confusion. "As I Roved out" is one such title that comes to mind. |
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24 Oct 07 - 03:38 AM (#2177839) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: JennieG I believe there is no copyright on song titles? Cheers JennieG |
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24 Oct 07 - 03:49 AM (#2177844) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Splott Man Not folk, but a few years back there were 3 different songs called The Power of Love in the British charts at the same time. |
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24 Oct 07 - 01:29 PM (#2178258) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Dan Schatz Several years ago I wrote a song called "The Winds of Change." A few months later I ended up doing a concert in Minnesiota with a talented musician named Doug Beckon. Doug had also written a song called "The Winds of Change |
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24 Oct 07 - 02:09 PM (#2178292) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: The Sandman two versions OF Sailortown,one C foxSmith/Dick Miles,The other by Bill Meek. |
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24 Oct 07 - 03:21 PM (#2178347) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: PoppaGator "In the Still of the Night" One highly sophisticated Cole Porter ballad, one doo-wop classic. |
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24 Oct 07 - 03:25 PM (#2178352) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: fat B****rd "Let the good times roll" Louis Jordan; Alvin Robinson; Sam Cooke; Shirley and Lee; The Brook Brothers and more... |
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24 Oct 07 - 03:41 PM (#2178363) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Shaneo Come My Little Son/England's Motorway |
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24 Oct 07 - 05:57 PM (#2178453) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: dick greenhaus Of course, just to complicate things further, most folk songs didn't have names at all until some collector attached one. And, frequently, the title people use isn't the one that tha author originally used. |
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24 Oct 07 - 06:12 PM (#2178471) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: PoppaGator To expand on fatB****rd's contribution: The late-great New Orleanian Earl King's composition "Come On," best known in the form of a cover version recorded by Jimi Hendrix, is rarely known by (or even recognized by) its formal title. The lyrics consist largely of repeating the phrase "Let the good times roll," with the final line of the verse expanded to "Come on baby, let the good times roll." So that's yet another song known as ~ if not, strictly speaking, entitled ~ "Let the Good Times Roll." |
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24 Oct 07 - 06:25 PM (#2178484) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: oldhippie There are two different "Beam Me Up Scotty" songs; one by Eric Bogle and one by Tom Rush. |
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24 Oct 07 - 06:28 PM (#2178486) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: oldhippie There are also two different "Ladies Love Outlaws" songs, the Waylon Jennings tune and one by "Gypsy" Bob Copp. |
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24 Oct 07 - 09:35 PM (#2178573) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Stephen "Pretty Polly"--there's the love-murder ballad, the Child ballad (both often called "Pretty Polly"), and at least a half-dozen other songs one or two versions of which are given that name. See the Roud Index for particulars. Stephen |
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25 Oct 07 - 06:35 AM (#2178720) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck Don't recall 3 "The power of love" songs in the charts. There was Jennifer Rush (pop Power Ballad) and there was Huey Lewis (As featured in Back to the Future?). Don't recall a third. A few years before (round about 1981?) there were 3 songs entitled "Sarah" in the UK charts at the same time. Bob Dylan, Fleetwood Mack and Thin Lizzy. Quack! GtD. |
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25 Oct 07 - 08:46 AM (#2178804) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Grab Dan, I assume you also know about the Scorpions "Wind of change" which was #1 back in the 80s/early-90s (can't remember exactly). Geoff, the other "Power of love" is the Frankie Goes to Hollywood one. Steve Knightley wrote "Widecombe Fair" as an alternative take on the traditional Uncle-Tom-Cobbley-and-all version with the same name. There are several songs called "Fire in my soul", one of which is the Davey Graham version of "Nobody's fault but mine" where he misheard "If I don't read it (and) my soul be lost" as "Fire in my soul oh Lord". And I'll raise you different songs with the same name by the *same author*. Chris Rea wrote two completely different songs, both called "Texas". (Neither was very good, BTW.) And Leonard Cohen did two very different versions of "Chelsea Hotel" and "Hallelujah". Graham. |
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25 Oct 07 - 12:47 PM (#2179006) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: open mike we could probably do another thread on same song, different title... |
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25 Oct 07 - 04:10 PM (#2179151) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Rumncoke I have two songs called Rolling Home in my repertoire. I think it is the only double - but the memory does not improve. I was looking for the song with the chorus beginning Take your time my lovely old lad the other day and it took me some time to find it under 'no reason to worry' after seeking it under several other letters of the alphabet. |
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25 Oct 07 - 05:08 PM (#2179180) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Dave the Gnome Valerie - Stevie Winwood Valerie - The Zutons D. |
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26 Oct 07 - 03:27 PM (#2179907) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: henryclem When 2 (or more) writers come up with the same title, it isn't because there's any conscious copying. Sometimes the title of a work might inspire a very different song and using that original title could be seen as acknowledging its source and inspiration. Other times it's probably just coincidence. Once the songs are written though, and being performed, how aware are the writers of each other's works? There is probably a pretty big imbalance ... I had a song and album called "Toys in the Attic" a long time before Bon Jovi did but it's an absolute certainty they still haven't heard of mine. In the folk context though I do have another song which shares its title with another written by Richard Thompson and whereas (thanks to Tom Bliss) my song gets a good airing around the clubs and festivals I am sure many more people overall are bound to associate the title with RT. I wouldn't think of renaming my song to avoid confusion - the title, both literally and metaphorically, fits too well for that. For all that, there's a lot more songs with this same title (I did a PRS search) and I bet we most of us thought it unique to start with ! Henry |
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26 Oct 07 - 05:16 PM (#2179991) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title (Foggy Dew) From: Mysha Hi, Several Foggy Dews: - One English, stemming from a bugbear song: "for fear of the foggy dew (dew, dew)" or "the foggy, foggy dew". Several centuries old; has lots of variations. - One Irish, "to Shannon's side I returned". - One Irish, "a-down the hill", start of the 20th century. = An Irish revolution song stemming from that last one, "down the glen one Easter morn". = The Ireland divided version stemming from that last one, "through Portadown in North Armagh". Mysha |
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26 Oct 07 - 06:01 PM (#2180042) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: PoppaGator The title "Toys in the Attic," of course, predates both henryclem's and Bon Jovi's songs ~ it's the title of a Lillian Hellman play. Once a catchy phrase like enters the public arena, it's likely to inspire a song, and the songwriter might very well appropriate the title without conscious knowledge of where the phrase came from, how it entered his/her head. That's probably one way that new songs come to be named with previously-used titles. The song titles that I find most intriguing are those composed of words that appear nowhere in the lyrics. Dylan did that pretty frequently, especially in the late 60s: "It Takes A Lot to Laugh, It Takes a Train to Cry," "Temporary Like Achilles," etc. Weird off-the-wall titles like that are very unlikely to be used again by other songwriters... |
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27 Oct 07 - 11:53 AM (#2180470) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: GUEST,Geoff the Duck Okay, Grab - fair cop. I'd forgotten that Frankie goes to Hollywood did a Power of Love. Another song is Anything Goes. Quack! GtD. |
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27 Oct 07 - 12:06 PM (#2180481) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: GUEST,Jim Have I Told You Lately That I Love You is an old standard, my 95 year old aunt's favourite song, but Rod Stewart also sang (Wrote?) an entirely different song with the same title. Loudon Wainwright and Donovan both wrote songs called COLOURS. Donovan:"Blue is the colour of the sky, In the mornin', when I rise. That's the time, (That's the time) That's the time, (That's the time) I love the best." Loudon:"The shit on the streets of our town, Comes in various colours of brown..." |
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27 Oct 07 - 02:52 PM (#2180557) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title (Have I Told You ) From: Mysha Hi Jim, Your aunt's favourite is from 1945, by Scotty Wiseman, sung by Lulu Belle en Scotty. The version from 1989 is by Van Morrison, though it was a bigger hit for Rod Stewart. Mysha |
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27 Oct 07 - 04:27 PM (#2180596) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Nick E The Banks of Newfoundland, three distinct traditional songs, all different tunes I have heard by that name. |
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27 Oct 07 - 04:29 PM (#2180598) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: GUEST,Jim Thanks Mysha. I'm guessing, from your spelling of FAVOURITE, that you're not an American. Am I right? |
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27 Oct 07 - 04:36 PM (#2180602) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: John Hardly Two very different fiddle tunes known as "Blackberry Blossom". |
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27 Oct 07 - 05:38 PM (#2180622) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title (Dirty Old Man) From: Mysha It occurred to me, that if it were possible to search the DT titles for "(2)", we'd find quite a lot of the titles Gerry is looking for. Unfortunately, if this is in fact possible it's beyond me, as my searches evaluate to "2", which is not as efficient. Among the numerous hits of the search, I did notice two songs called "Dirty Old Man", though, mostly because additionally there's a Three Degrees song with that title. Jim, I couldn't resist putting in that "u", trawling for a comment like yours. I'm Frisian from the Netherlands. We're mostly taught British here, but get a lot of entertainment in American. For songs in English and other foreign tongues I try to make the pronunciation match the origin of the song, but it'll always be an approximation, of course. Mysha |
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27 Oct 07 - 09:09 PM (#2180724) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Big Al Whittle thats a great idea. if the title was lucky for someone else - it might be lucky for you. Plus you might get someone else's royalty cheque by mistake. Don't cry for me Argentina (words and music by Big Al Whittle) I've been a wild gaucho for many a year Dancing the tango and catching diarrhoea I've been swinging me bolas, and wearing me chaps But I didn't wash me hands after taking a crap And its don't cry for me Argentina No Nay never no more If I'd have been a bit cleaner Me bum wouldn't be so sore The tune's traditonal. |
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28 Oct 07 - 04:24 AM (#2180843) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: eddie1 Then there's "The Runaway Train" by Vernon Delhart that those of us in the UK, of a certain age, remember from "Uncle Mac's Children's Favourites" and a song with the same title by Kasey Chambers. Eddie |
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28 Oct 07 - 05:52 AM (#2180868) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Bernard Blackbird - Richard Thompson and Lennon/McCartney. Country Life - Trad (Watersons) and Steve Knightley It's also worth mentioning that many traditional songs are known by more than one title. Some people prefer to use the first line of the song, some use the first line of the chorus, others pick up a phrase from somewhere else in the song... and there's a song called 'As I Roved Out' which doesn't have that phrase in it anywhere! Even contemporary songs suffer - Pete St. John's 'Rare Ould Times' is often referred to as 'Ring a Ring a Rosie' (from the first line of the chorus), which confuses it with a nursery rhyme! I'd say the 'correct' title of a version of trad song depends a lot upon who collected it, and what their source called it, but a contemporary song should keep the title the writer gave it! |
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28 Oct 07 - 05:55 AM (#2180869) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Bernard Whoops! Blackbird was a trad song - I was thinking of Beeswing, and Richard recorded on the Blackbird label... sorreee! |
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28 Oct 07 - 01:13 PM (#2181072) Subject: Lyr Add: LADIES LOVE OUTLAWS (R. Copp) From: oldhippie Here are the lyrics to the lesser known "Ladies Love Outlaws" - see my above post of Oct 24. Lyrics Add: Ladies Love Outlaws R. Copp BMI (1979) Ladies, they love outlaws They'll pick one just about every time Well, they don't always shave And they sometimes misbehave And figurin' out where they're at Ain't worth the time They'll take you places That you ain't been And they'll love you up and down And sideways with a big old grin And he'll turn you on like wildfire And they'll love the state you're in And they'll bring you down so hard and easy And get you wild again Ladies, they love outlaws They'll pick one just about every time And nothin' in the world Can make a lady feel so fine As an easy ridin' outlaw man With lovin' on his mind Cowboys ridin' Harleys And dusty roads and soft summer nights Runnin' from the law On a Harley "74" And all you can hear is The rumble and the roar And some damn fool singing…. Ladies, they love outlaws They'll pick one just about every time They don't always shave And they sometimes misbehave And figurin' out where they're at, honey Figurin' out where they're at Ain't worth the time. |
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28 Oct 07 - 03:05 PM (#2181134) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Leadbelly Something from the past: a jazz ditty with some lyrics recorded by great Louis Armstrong and his Hot Five on the 8th Dec. 1927 was entitled "The last time". I just listend to this title. Naturally, it wasn't the song performed by The Rolling Stones around 4 decades later. |
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30 Oct 07 - 02:12 PM (#2182786) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: GUEST,Jim Bernard said,"It's also worth mentioning that many traditional songs are known by more than one title. Some people prefer to use the first line of the song, some use the first line of the chorus, others pick up a phrase from somewhere else in the song... and there's a song called 'As I Roved Out' which doesn't have that phrase in it anywhere!" This is even more common with fiddle tunes. Red Haired Boy, Old Soldier With A Wooden Leg, Little Beggerman, Gilderoy, Old Ragadoo, and many other titles have been given to a common fiddle tune in A. |
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30 Oct 07 - 02:19 PM (#2182795) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: PoppaGator "Diamond Joe" ~ two different songs in the DT, the one I know and some other one. |
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30 Oct 07 - 06:57 PM (#2183005) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Bernard Hmmm... Guest Jim, seems like you've got the makings of a new thread, there! |
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30 Oct 07 - 08:03 PM (#2183063) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: oldhippie "Agent Orange" - Kate Wolf and "Agent Orange (My Country Tis Of Thee)" - Larry Long |
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30 Oct 07 - 08:18 PM (#2183082) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: Rowan "Polly on the shore" |
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30 Oct 07 - 09:20 PM (#2183119) Subject: RE: Different songs, same title From: mg Life in the Finnish Woods |