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27 Oct 07 - 05:35 PM (#2180621) Subject: DADGBD chord chart sought From: michaelr I'd be grateful if someone could point me to a chord chart for DADGBD or double-drop-D tuning. Cheers, Michael |
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27 Oct 07 - 05:40 PM (#2180624) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Jack Campin http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/pm/chord/chord |
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27 Oct 07 - 06:32 PM (#2180645) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Richard Bridge 5 minutes - not bad! |
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27 Oct 07 - 08:26 PM (#2180701) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: michaelr Quick, yes, and thanks Jack, but not what I'm looking for. |
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27 Oct 07 - 08:42 PM (#2180706) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Jack Campin So, what *are* you looking for? That site will show you any conceivable chord you can get in that tuning. What else is there? |
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27 Oct 07 - 08:46 PM (#2180708) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: John Hardly here are basic chords for the key of D in either jpeg or pdf file. I'm curious though, why you'd want a chord chart for what is essentially standard tuning? |
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28 Oct 07 - 06:42 AM (#2180882) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman yes,that is helpful but that chart doesnt show you where d modal is,or yourchords in other tuning ,[I use adifferentG Why xthe 5 string ,just put your finger on5th fret 5 string ] the best thing to do is draw your fingerboard out in double drop d,then youcansee options for all chords.Dick Miles |
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28 Oct 07 - 07:38 AM (#2180905) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman make a standard c7shape,younow have c79,moveitup twofrets youhave adifferent d7,move it up again two frets you have e7. half bar your top fourstrings on second fret=a major chord dont play six string,you can play in amajor,move this up two frets youhave b7,dont play six string. play your standard e major chord you now have another e7,yoursix string is also a seventh,but I tend not to use it.Dick Miles [ concertina player] |
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28 Oct 07 - 04:29 PM (#2181179) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: michaelr Jack, I guess I'm looking for something with fewer choices :-) John, that's a bit meager, on the other hand. And I don't understand why you say that DADGBD is "essentially standard tuning"? Dick, thanks for that. What I'm after is, I guess, Kate Rusby-style chording. Keep `em coming! Cheers, Michael |
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28 Oct 07 - 07:23 PM (#2181292) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Richard Bridge Some of those "top four" chords can be expanded by putting thumb over top to produce the note two octaves down from the top string. If you don't want the A string in there, overshoot a bit with the thumb or barre finger and mute the A. Now it will go anywhere. All the "power chords" can be played in a 3 string variant on the bottom 3 strings - if it's open it's DAD, and so-on up the neck, and all in fact are indeterminate so can work for a major or a minor. If you want the 6-string variant, the G string can be hard to get right, but the bottom 5 strings are thre if you can manage 2221 with just two fingers, and then barre so that G becomes 555433 - and G minor becomes 555333. As you will have noticed, all it takes is the A string to be fretted on the second fret (020000) and you have a G chord. This can be barred and taken anywhere up the neck. Likewise the D chord 000230. THe B minor is a roarer - 024400 and again barreable. Rick Fielding's old posts used to speak of bringing the thumb a long way over the top to fret the bottom 2 strings. I find this soon gets to hurt. You don't really want to have us throw chords at you. What you want to do is to identify the notes you want in a chord, and see where you can play them. Don't copy (not La Rusby nor anyone else) - play the tune in your head and look for it. If you are going to copy (bite your tongue Richard, do not be nasty) - be selective. |
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29 Oct 07 - 04:34 AM (#2181563) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman Richard Bridge well said,there is also an ambiguous chord[strictly speaking dyad]which contains the note b and d,5 string second fret,3 string 4th fret,this can be used for either b minor or g major,but probably works better when there is a b or d in the melody,the rerason this works is that both gmajor and b minor contain the notes b and d,if you want to use any tuning successfully[imo],it is necessary to understand what you are doing and all the different inversions available to you. d7 chord,2 string ist fret,3 string second fret,can be moved up two frets,for a top four string e7,this time your inversion,is trebling the seventh note the d,and you have no e note,if you want the e note,play 1 string or 4string or both, second fret,with your shape.Dick Miles |
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29 Oct 07 - 04:38 AM (#2181565) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: theleveller Why don't you get the Chord Alchemy software - you can dowload it for a few quid. It gives you every chord shape in any tuning (even my strange cittern tuning)and you can also do the reverse and look up chord shapes and find out what they are. Can't imagine what I did without it. |
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29 Oct 07 - 07:41 AM (#2181657) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman IThink what you are after is the modal sound getting rid of the note in the chord that makes it major or minor,G modal is this 550030,dmodal is 000230.the beauty of this tuning in my opinion is its flexibility,youcan also easily play major and minor chords Richard Bridges b minor is alovely chord,if youslide this shspe up to 5 fret you have d6 or bminor7[chords often have two names]this is very closely related to bminor and under some circumstances can be substitued for it 057700,here is another b minor with a different voicing 0,9,0,11,0,0.this time your b minor chord bf#d,is voiced df#df#bd,Richard Bridges b minor was voiced dbbf#bd,these voicings or different inversions are important to understand,because they can make your playing more interesting. if you understand how chords and dyads work,all you need do is draw your fingerboard out and discover it for yourself for nothing. you need to learn modal chords [or dyads]find out what asus4chord is.its this [D SUS 4is DGDA],the third note of d major is sharpened a semitone d f#a,becomes d g a,also use modal 7 dadacd[no f#,then you will start to be on yourway to getting the sound of open tunings beloved by KateRusby and many others long before her,you will of course on occasions,want to also use major and minor chords.hope this helps.Dick Miles |
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31 Oct 07 - 08:05 PM (#2183867) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: michaelr Thank you, Dick and Richard. I like this tuning, especially the modal stuff! Cheers, Michael |
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31 Oct 07 - 10:20 PM (#2183951) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: michaelr No one's got a chord chart, though? |
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31 Oct 07 - 11:53 PM (#2183990) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Peace http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/fr_rb_main.html?plyr=R,bass=bottom THAT site is the cat's rearend. |
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01 Nov 07 - 12:41 AM (#2184015) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Joe Offer I don't know from guitar chords and tunings, but the guy who keeps advertising his Website with Sexy Guitar Chords might be able to help you. -Joe- |
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01 Nov 07 - 04:07 AM (#2184054) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Richard Bridge I personally find I get more change out of a partial capo - it is taking over my life (musically speaking). The most flexible is the Scott Tuning Capo (but you will have to put rubber pads on it yourself) or there is the US mde third hand which I do not find so good. Mostly now I use the special shubb. Put on fromthe top it frets the SDand G strings, and if you do that at the second fret you now have DADGAD - but one tone up. But, and here is hte beauty - all your barre chords up the neck are what they were before. D (ie E) takes one finger, and you have the other fingers to piddle about with and play tunes. Several G (ieA) shapes, and the A (ie B) is 709807 (but because of the capo that first 0 is 2 ie a B note). There is also a D (ie E) at 0222900 (the 2s being the cao, so it's one finger again) If you don't want all 6 strings it is a lot more flexible |
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01 Nov 07 - 05:19 AM (#2184077) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman Mostly now I use the special shubb. Put on fromthe top it frets the SDand G strings, and if you do that at the second fret you now have DADGAD - but one tone up. But, and here is hte beauty - all your barre chords up the neck are what they were befor Sorry Richard,dont understand the SDandGstrings? |
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01 Nov 07 - 08:09 AM (#2184150) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Nick I think you'll find the "S" key is next to the "A" key on a keyboard - frets the AD and G strings at the second fret makes better sense! |
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01 Nov 07 - 11:58 AM (#2184310) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Richard Bridge Absolutely right - "S" tuning, a wholly new concept! |
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01 Nov 07 - 12:08 PM (#2184323) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: John Hardly "And I don't understand why you say that DADGBD is "essentially standard tuning"?" Because it is essentially standard tuning. I'd never ask for a chord chart for drop-D tuning. It's pretty well understood that every chord you play in standard, you play in drop-D with a compensation for the lower bass string. Same goes for double-drop-d. Every chord you play in standard, you play in double-drop-d the same way with the high E string covered two frets higher or muted. |
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01 Nov 07 - 12:13 PM (#2184332) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Richard Bridge Now play "C" |
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01 Nov 07 - 01:14 PM (#2184375) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman JohnHardly,NO NO NO. Forexample,the Bminor chord,Richard Bridge mentioned,It has nothing to do with standard tuning,it takes advantage of your two open top strings,and gives you a completely new inversion, likewise the Dmodal chord,with two ds on top is impossible in standard tuning . The ordinary C chord becomes c9,very tasty sometimes. c7 shape moved up to third fret,becomes an unusual d7 with two ds at the top,in standard that shape is d7 +9,completely different. C7 shape up to5 FRET,gives you adifferent inversion of e7,tothose available in standard. JohnHardly.double drop d is closer to dadgad than to standard[imo],It is not standard tuning. |
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01 Nov 07 - 01:18 PM (#2184382) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Peace DADGBD Chord Chart HERE. |
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01 Nov 07 - 01:22 PM (#2184383) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: John Hardly "Now play "C"" X3X012 or 53555X 'taint rocket science. |
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01 Nov 07 - 01:23 PM (#2184386) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: John Hardly Peace, that's DGDGBD |
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01 Nov 07 - 01:25 PM (#2184387) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Peace DANG. SOORY. Thanks, John. Aluminium and age. |
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01 Nov 07 - 01:43 PM (#2184404) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman From: John Hardly - PM Date: 01 Nov 07 - 12:08 PM "And I don't understand why you say that DADGBD is "essentially standard tuning"?" Because it is essentially standard tuning. I'd never ask for a chord chart for drop-D tuning. It's pretty well understood that every chord you play in standard, you play in drop-D with a compensation for the lower bass string. Same goes for double-drop-d. Every chord you play in standard, you play in double-drop-d the same way with the high E string covered two frets higher or muted. with the greatest respect,I think you are missing the point of this tuning,the point as I understand it,is to enable the guitarist,to get some of the modal sounds that are difficult and sometimes impossible in standard tuning,much as one would in DADGAD. However I find it more useful than DADGAD,because I can retune to standard or drop d much quicker,I might often plan my sets,so that I play something in standard,then drop D then double drop D,getting contrasting guitar sound,however each to their own. |
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01 Nov 07 - 02:03 PM (#2184415) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: Lowden Jameswright Alternate Tunings - PICTURE CHORDS - by Mark Hanson ISBN 0-936799-14-5 |
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01 Nov 07 - 02:38 PM (#2184429) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: John Hardly I'm not saying there's no reason for double-drop-d. Of course there's good reason for the tuning. Just not much reason for a chord chart. The need for a chord chart implies that one would already know what chord they want to know the fingering for. If one already knows what chord they want to play, they can VERY easily figure out how to do it in double-drop-d. They can do so because double-drop-d is essentially a standard tuning. It is merely a minor alteration from a standard tuning, rather than an open altogether-alternate tuning. What chord could you know that you want to play that you couldn't easily figure out in double-drop-d? |
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01 Nov 07 - 03:23 PM (#2184449) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman JohnHardly,some of the versions of a modal and a minor,andE modal,which work very well in standard,are more limited in dadgad,and double drop d,these two tunings are IMO,suited for g and d.Using the top strings as drones,to produce interesting passing chords. The point about standard,is that you have E and B ,as ones top two strings,standard is a tuning that is very flexible,but because your top string is E,To get the modal sound youare restricted to e and a modal and minors IN DOUBLE DROP D,you have BD,in DADGAD A and D,you can use these as drones,to create interesting passing chords in these keys,G and D. so in answer to your question,chords like A minor modal AND E MODAL that use ringin [open]strings,and can be found found right up the finger board, in standard,RingingOpen strings ,is what the modal traditional sound is about. |
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01 Nov 07 - 03:28 PM (#2184453) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: John Hardly But, again, they're all still the same chords. If you know what they are in standard, you know where they are in DDD. It's not about needing a chord chart. What you're describing is the need for someone to know WHAT they want to play with D drones or in those keys. That doesn't require a chord chart. That requires folk process sharing (what other do) and experimentation. Again, if you know what chord you want to play, you don't need a chord chart for DDD. |
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01 Nov 07 - 06:30 PM (#2184578) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman Micheal,hope this thread has helped you. |
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01 Nov 07 - 10:33 PM (#2184743) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: michaelr Yes, and thanks to all who contributed. Cheers, Michael |
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02 Nov 07 - 06:19 AM (#2184861) Subject: RE: DADGBD chord chart sought From: The Sandman here are two moveable sus4 chords,these are four string chords,the other two strings should not be sounded as you move up the fingerboard.[except for first example on sixth fret which gives you d modal 9 DAADEA or alternatively, Asus4 depending on which note you choose for your root. Gsus4,these can be used instead of Dominant seventh chords,for example in the key of g,they are more likely to work as a substitution,when the melody notes are G orD.They can be used other places as well.xx5535[Root note 4string].x5553x root note 4 string. If you get a DADGAD chart,this can easily be adapted.,as there is only one sting different,some things become easier, others more difficult. DickMiles |
