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Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling

15 Nov 07 - 05:34 AM (#2194220)
Subject: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: folk_radio_uk

Hi there

Something you may be able to help with, a member of my forum on Folk Radio UK asked about Pete Bellamy's campaign to record and publish lots of Kipling's poetry in song form. This is going back a bit. I don't know anything about it, do any of yu know whether it actually happened?

Thanks

Alex


15 Nov 07 - 05:45 AM (#2194224)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Les in Chorlton

Yes lots. Off the top of my head Oak, Ash and Thorn and Barrack Room Ballads were excellent


15 Nov 07 - 05:57 AM (#2194227)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Les in Chorlton

http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=Bellamy+sings+Kipling&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8

http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl=en&q=Bellamy+sings+Kipling&cr=countryUK%7CcountryGB&um=1&ie=UTF-8


15 Nov 07 - 06:14 AM (#2194236)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: r.padgett

"Widow's Uniform" CD from memory had Peter's arrangements

Ray


15 Nov 07 - 06:51 AM (#2194254)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: folk_radio_uk

That's the one Les, thanks so much. She'll be chuffed with this.

Alex


15 Nov 07 - 08:25 AM (#2194305)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Jack Blandiver

Mr Bellamy, Mr Kipling and the Tradition


...which is only the one available on CD (!!) - this is a double set on Fellside which includes Peter Bellamy's 'Keep on Kipling' and 'Songs and Rummy Conjurin' Tricks' albums, plus lots of extras. The first disk is a studio album, exclusively Kipling (including My Boy Jack, The Land, A Pilgrims Way & reworkings of some of the earlier songs from Oak Ash & Thorn etc), and the second disk is a superlative live set with a mix of Kipling (Cholera Camp) and traditional Songs.

For the record Bellamy released (I think) six Kipling albums:

Oak, Ash and Thorn
Merlin's Isle of Gramarye
Barrack Room Ballads
Keep on Kipling
Soldiers Three
Mr Kipling Made Exceedingy Good Songs


For further details see: Peter Bellamy - A Celebration


15 Nov 07 - 09:24 AM (#2194343)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: folk_radio_uk

Thanks for those links Sedayne


15 Nov 07 - 09:59 AM (#2194370)
Subject: Lyr Add: BIG STEAMERS (Rudyard Kipling)
From: the button

The version of "Big Steamers" on that live CD is one of his best performances, I reckon. Must be one of my most-played discs in recent months.
Lyrics added by Joe Offer:

BIG STEAMERS
(Rudyard Kipling)



"OH, where are you going to, all you Big Steamers,
With England's own coal, up and down the salt seas? "
"We are going to fetch you your bread and your butter,
Your beef, pork, and mutton, eggs, apples, and cheese."

"And where will you fetch it from, all you Big Steamers,
And where shall I write you when you are away? "
"We fetch it from Melbourne, Quebec, and Vancouver.
Address us at Hobart, Hong-kong, and Bombay."

"But if anything happened to all you Big Steamers,
And suppose you were wrecked up and down the salt sea?"
"Why, you'd have no coffee or bacon for breakfast,
And you'd have no muffins or toast for your tea."

"Then I'll pray for fine weather for all you Big Steamers
For little blue billows and breezes so soft."
"Oh, billows and breezes don't bother Big Steamers:
We're iron below and steel-rigging aloft."

"Then I'll build a new lighthouse for all you Big Steamers,
With plenty wise pilots to pilot you through."
"Oh, the Channel's as bright as a ball-room already,
And pilots are thicker than pilchards at Looe."

"Then what can I do for you, all you Big Steamers,
Oh, what can I do for your comfort and good?"
"Send out your big warships to watch your big waters,
That no one may stop us from bringing you food."

For the bread that you eat and the biscuits you nibble,
The sweets that you suck and the joints that you carve,
They are brought to you daily by All Us Big Steamers
And if anyone hinders our coming you'll starve!"

Source: http://www.kipling.org.uk



15 Nov 07 - 04:04 PM (#2194702)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Desert Dancer

In the U.S., many were recorded by English ex-pats John Roberts & Tony Barrand on "Naulakha Redux". See Golden Hind Music.

~ Becky in Tucson


15 Nov 07 - 09:27 PM (#2194982)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: topical tom

I think this song belongs in this category. I find it a particularly delightful one.http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Present_From_the_Gentlemen.htm


    Sorry! I haven't mastered the blue clicky yet!


16 Nov 07 - 04:03 AM (#2195106)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Jack Blandiver

Here's a clicky for that link:

Present from the Gentlemen

Yes indeed, this is Kipling, though bafflingly uncredited, and mistitled! This is, of course, A Smuggler's Song , from Puck of Pooks Hill and set by Peter Bellamy on his 1972 album Merlin's Isle of Gramarye (availability Status : Hen's Teeth).


16 Nov 07 - 04:32 AM (#2195119)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Malcolm Douglas

That page was copied directly (though without attribution) from an earlier iteration of the DT; as is a great deal of the material at that site.

The DT file: A Present from the Gentlemen now includes better credits, though the title is still wrong.


16 Nov 07 - 09:00 AM (#2195246)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Jack Blandiver

Methinks a petition to DT to correct the title is in order; and maybe advise caution on the 'chorus' directions...


10 Feb 11 - 12:03 AM (#3092227)
Subject: ADD: The Beginning of the Armadilloes (Kipling)
From: Joe Offer

Jon Boden calls this song "Rolling Down to Rio," and has it as the song for February 10 in his A Folk Song a Day project. Are these the complete and correct lyrics?
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    Tom-

    Possibly! At least the inspiration for this lovely poem:

    The Beginning of the Armadilloes
    By Rudyard Kipling

    I've never sailed the Amazon,
    I've never reached Brazil;
    But the Don and Magdalena,
    They can go there when they will!

    Yes, weekly from Southampton
    Great steamers, white and gold,
    Go rolling down to Rio
    (Roll down—roll down to Rio!).
    And I'd like to roll to Rio
    Some day before I'm old!

    I've never seen a Jaguar,
    Nor yet an Armadill—
    He's dilloing in his armour,
    And I s'pose I never will,

    Unless I go to Rio
    These wonders to behold—
    Roll down—roll down to Rio—
    Roll really down to Rio!
    Oh, I'd love to roll to Rio
    Some day before I'm old!

    Cheerily,
    Charley Noble


Reinhard's transcription is here (click)


10 Feb 11 - 01:54 AM (#3092236)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: doc.tom

I think you'll find the verse goes:

I've never seen a Jaguar,
Nor yet an Armadill—
O dilloing in his armour,
And I s'pose I never will,

Otherwise it loses it's point!


10 Feb 11 - 02:32 AM (#3092241)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Artful Codger

In Kipling's book, the poem is untitled—it just closes the story "The Beginning of the Armadilloes" (and isn't the only poetry therein). Bellamy titled the song "Roll Down to Rio" on Keep on Kipling; I'm not sure why Boden added the -ing.


10 Feb 11 - 03:40 AM (#3092269)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: InOBU

If I remember correctly, isn't ... oh what's the proper name, Sir Richard's Ballad?... Kipling? ( and all you wags out there saying, "Dunno, I've never kippled..." - beat ya to it... "
Lovely song anyway...

I followed my Duke, ere I was a lover
to take from England, both feif and fee...

All the best
Lor


10 Feb 11 - 04:00 AM (#3092277)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray

Sir Richard's Song indeed. Look out for a cracking version from Trembling Bells on the new Oak Ash & Thorn CD (reviewed in current fRoots I believe). Crow Sister sings this beautifully too.

*

Out of another age, Rolling Down to Rio as sung by Peter Dawson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp4g-qt0TgU

*

For the bread that you eat and the biscuits you nibble,
The sweets that you suck and the joints that you carve


Legend has it that PB routinely rendered this as joints that you roll...


10 Feb 11 - 08:41 AM (#3092409)
Subject: RE: Pete Bellamy and Rudyard Kipling
From: Charley Noble

Doc Tom-

Quite correct on that verse, correlated with what I have in my literary reference. I'm not sure where I found that other version on the internet.

"Roll really down to Rio!" is a line almost impossible to sing. We generally substitute "Roll down—roll down to Rio!" from the above verse.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble