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29 Dec 07 - 01:26 AM (#2224132) Subject: BS: Good fences.... From: dick greenhaus Mike Huckabee used the volatile situation in Pakistan Friday to make an argument for building a fence on the American border with Mexico and found himself trying to explain a series of remarks about Pakistanis and their nation. On Thursday night he told reporters in Orlando, Fla.: "We ought to have an immediate, very clear monitoring of our borders and particularly to make sure if there's any unusual activity of Pakistanis coming into the country." A sound idea. It worked for China with the Great Wall.....very few Pakistanis in China. |
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29 Dec 07 - 02:46 AM (#2224140) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: JohnInKansas Passport investigation suggests security hole Dateline investigation suggests that even now, six years after the 9/11 attacks, terrorists could easily get a passport to cross almost any border NBC News updated 4:45 p.m. CT, Fri., Dec. 28, 2007 According to the article, fake passports appear easiest to get in a couple of South American countries. "Passports from Spain and most other European countries are prized on the black market because they do not require a visa to enter the United States." If an employee of a Spanish or other Euro embassy in SA can be bribed to supply blank documents, and especially if that employee or an appropriate other one can enter the phony name into the national database, the the faked passport becomes a real passport. So why wouldn't a Pakistani terrorist go to South America first, to get documentation, and then pass right on up through Mexico to the US? Or fly up to Canada and come in through the other border.? One example doesn't make a rule, but: Milorad Ulemek, who assassinated Serbian Prime Minister Zoran Djindjic in March 2003, used a stolen blank passport to create an alias, and then crossed borders 26 times with the document before the assassination, according to Interpol chief Noble. John |
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29 Dec 07 - 04:20 AM (#2224154) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Liz the Squeak Very little democracy in China too.... Walling off a nation does not work when that nation still insists on being part of the world. Look at what happened to the Berlin Wall, to Russia and the Baltic states. LTS |
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29 Dec 07 - 04:27 AM (#2224157) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Barry Finn Eye, & Scotland too. Barry |
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29 Dec 07 - 04:31 AM (#2224159) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Wainwright99 Here in Oz we have ocean all around us - sure beats a fence any day! |
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29 Dec 07 - 05:00 AM (#2224174) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: autolycus And since did building a wall deal with/solve the cause? Ivor |
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29 Dec 07 - 05:39 AM (#2224186) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Emma B bad fence |
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29 Dec 07 - 07:55 AM (#2224215) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Riginslinger "Good fences make good neighbors;" Robert Frost always said. |
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29 Dec 07 - 08:06 AM (#2224218) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Jack Blandiver I think that works with individuals; respected territorial boundaries of private property & personal space thus juxtaposed with all the inevitable tensions that involves, which is maybe what Frost was getting at: something there is that doesn't love a wall (see Mending Wall ). Does the same necessarily go for nationhood? And by what means might we extricate such wretched primeval tendancies? |
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29 Dec 07 - 08:51 AM (#2224238) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: bobad Norman McLaren's take on fences: "Neighbours" (Youtube link) |
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29 Dec 07 - 09:31 AM (#2224252) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Riginslinger Sedayne - Rereading the poem after a great number of years--and thanks for posting it--it seems as though the narrator doesn't really see the value of the fence unless one or the other of the neighbors kept cows. The fact that one grows pine trees and the other grows cherry makes the fence less practical. The neighbor, on the other hand, sees a need for the fence even though there is no livestock in the picture. The whole thing seems to go to cause the reader to wonder a little about the neighbor. Fast forwarding all of this to the present, relating all of this to the proposed American border fence would seem to depend upon the reader's willingness to equate illegal aliens to livestock. |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:02 AM (#2224272) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: curmudgeon There is a fine Yankee subtlety in this poem. Consider what is alluded to that "..dosn't love a wall..." and at the same time consider the poet's name - Tom |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:07 AM (#2224278) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Rapparee I fully support the notion that we should immediately build a great big fence along the border between the US and Pakistan. |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:22 AM (#2224296) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Sorcha Oh yes, Rapaire! Fences everywhere! And please, let's not let in the penguins either! |
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29 Dec 07 - 10:40 AM (#2224308) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Rapparee And another one along our border with Nunuvat. Yupik terrorists are a definite threat to our welfare. |
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29 Dec 07 - 01:18 PM (#2224426) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Riginslinger "...we should immediately build a great big fence along the border between the US and Pakistan." Huckabee has publicly admitted that he might have been mistaken about there being a border between the United States and Pakistan. I mean, give the guy a break. He's already come clean on having been educated as a Baptist Minister. |
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29 Dec 07 - 04:43 PM (#2224549) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: number 6 "Four score and a hundred and fifty years ago Our forefathers made us equal as long as we can pay Yeah, well maybe that wasn't exactly what they was thinkin' Version six-point-oh of the American way But hey we can just build a great wall around the country club To keep the riff-raff out until the slump is through Yeah, I realize that ain't exactly democratic, but it's either them or us and And it's the best we can do" Amerika (the best we can do) ... Steve Earle biLL |
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30 Dec 07 - 09:01 AM (#2224853) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: autolycus Should have read 'Since when did building a fence/wall solve the underlying causes of a problem? How about fences everywhere - between Egypt and Chile, San Francisco and everywhere, Norfolk in England and everywhere (oh, that's already in place, between papua new Guinea and Austria. (I'll put the joke this reminds me of on the joke thingy. Follow me :-) Ivor |
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30 Dec 07 - 06:10 PM (#2225129) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: topical tom Just listen to "Who's Gonna Build Your Wall" by Tom Russell |
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30 Dec 07 - 06:12 PM (#2225132) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: topical tom On Myspace. I fouled up on the blue clicky again! |
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30 Dec 07 - 06:30 PM (#2225142) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Sorcha Oh yes! MORE walls! Walls everywhere!!! And paint them yellow too! |
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30 Dec 07 - 06:55 PM (#2225155) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Rapparee No, I think a nice light blue would be better than yellow. Or maybe something in a neutral beige in case we ever want to sell the place. |
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30 Dec 07 - 07:05 PM (#2225163) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: bobad We Can Be Together Jefferson Airplane We can be together Ah you and me We should be together We are all outlaws in the eyes of america In order to survive we steal cheat lie forge fred hide and deal We are obscene lawless hideous dangerous dirty violent and young But we should be together Come on all you people standing around Our lifes too fine to let it die and We can be together All your private property is Target for your enemy And your enemy is We We are forces of chaos and anarchy Everything they say we are we are And we are very Proud of ourselves Up against the wall Up against the wall motherfucker Tear down the walls Tear down the walls Come on now together Get it on together Everybody together We should be together We should be together my friends We can be together We will be We must begin here and now A new continent of earth and fire Come on now gettin higher and higher Tear down the walls Tear down the walls Tear down the walls Wont you try |
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31 Dec 07 - 04:17 AM (#2225346) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Liz the Squeak They recently added partitions to my office desks - grouped in rows of 2 and 3, facing each other to make a bank of 4 or 6. These barriers were erected in the hopes of channelling people's attention to their computers. The work levels dropped, noise level increased, as did the amount of mess and the time it took to answer the telephones. People were standing up to hold conversations over the barriers, thus not working. People talk louder over the barriers because they feel they cannot be heard through them - the barriers are psycological as well as physical. The phones go unanswered because no-one can see over the barriers without standing up. We cannot tell who is at their desks or engaged on a telephone call so the majority of people ignore the phone as 'not their job'. Finally, they took away another few inches of the available space that had already been reduced by a quarter a few months previously, leaving some with not enough room to store all their necessary equipment. Walls don't work, unless you keep sheep. LTS |
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31 Dec 07 - 04:48 AM (#2225352) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Jack Blandiver Wasn't there a bloke who drew a circle in the sand around his deckchair on the beach one morning and at the end of the day the only 'trespassers' had been small children & dogs? Might give it a try come the summer... |
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31 Dec 07 - 06:25 AM (#2225379) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: autolycus Maybe he wasn't interesting-looking, sexy, or attractive, or looked furious. The Psychology of Barriers ,sighs> another book there. Ivor |
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31 Dec 07 - 06:44 AM (#2225386) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Jack Blandiver My personal favourite of all barriers is the Ha-Ha |
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31 Dec 07 - 07:26 AM (#2225400) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: autolycus aka wter-free moat. Englishman's home etc.etc, to which I tend to add that his car is the Englishman's castle on whels. (And not only englishmen,o. Ivor |
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31 Dec 07 - 10:59 AM (#2225541) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Riginslinger That's an ohm, right--an English man's 'ouse? |
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31 Dec 07 - 11:17 AM (#2225552) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Amos Only if you are a member of the resistance. A |
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31 Dec 07 - 12:04 PM (#2225586) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Donuel Hey Huck forget the fence... All Huckabee would have to do is round up all the gas station attendents and convenience store employees around here if he wants to put populate "special camps" with Pakistanis. |
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31 Dec 07 - 12:09 PM (#2225590) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Riginslinger Funny, Amos, funny! |
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01 Jan 08 - 10:04 AM (#2226128) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Rusty Dobro Fagin. Now there WAS a fence....... |
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01 Jan 08 - 10:26 AM (#2226135) Subject: RE: BS: Good fences.... From: Rapparee Fagin couldn't hold a candle to Jonathan Wilde. |
