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14 Jan 08 - 01:37 PM (#2236264) Subject: interesting guitar image From: GUEST,leeneia Yesterday I was reading a book about Dutch painting, and it had a small reproduction of a painting you can see on this page http://www.phxart.org/collection/euro_collection.asp It is called 'Interior with Girl Playing Guitar' by Pieter Janssens Elinga. It is dated 1655-1665. I like the way she has kicked her shoes off and has left items lying on the floor. She'll pick them up later, but right now music is more important. The next time somebody tells me that guitar is too new-fangled for early music, I will be prepared. |
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14 Jan 08 - 01:45 PM (#2236267) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Emma B Here's another for you leenia Vermeer's 'The Guitar Player' 1672 |
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14 Jan 08 - 01:50 PM (#2236271) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Big Al Whittle she's dressed a bit too showbiz for a folk club gig. no doc martens or nose stud.... |
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14 Jan 08 - 01:53 PM (#2236275) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Jack Campin You're looking at her from the back, all you can see is the peghead, and it must be too small to be a guitar or else the body would be visible. Nobody put titles on paintings at that time; the gallery's title is only their guess. It's a ukelele., a charango or possibly a very-short-necked five-string banjo. |
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14 Jan 08 - 02:20 PM (#2236301) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Mick Pearce (MCP) I'd agree with Jack; it's impossible to see what the girl in the Elinga painting is playing (certainly the resolution of the image on the site doesn't blow up well). The Vermeer that EmmaB links is a well-known painting of a Baroque Guitar (indeed it was used on the cover of James Tyler's The Early Guitar - A History and Handbook). Mick |
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14 Jan 08 - 02:39 PM (#2236317) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Emma B not seen anyone dressed like this in a folk club either :) |
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14 Jan 08 - 04:42 PM (#2236388) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Murray MacLeod I am definitely not impressed by that early guitar. Either Vermeer was totally oblivious to such luthieristic niceties as fret spacing and bridge placement, or the guitar was constructed by somebody who was tone-deaf( or maybe "pitch-deaf"). The girl playing it has a really sloppy technique as well, even by the standards of your average flatpicker ... |
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14 Jan 08 - 10:25 PM (#2236640) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: GUEST They didn't put frets every half tone. Lotsa times it was like in thirds or flat thirds |
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15 Jan 08 - 12:40 AM (#2236703) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: open mike i like how the rosette is detailed, though. what chord is that that the player is playing? |
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15 Jan 08 - 04:06 AM (#2236748) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Bryn Pugh Looks to me that had it been a 'modern' (as opposed to baroque) guitar, the shape seems mighty like Cmaj. Mr MacLeod - assuming that your comments aren't a wind-up, Google 'Baroque Guitar' and see where it takes you. |
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15 Jan 08 - 07:14 AM (#2236802) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Ernest Emma, the guitar player on your second link might be dressed up for morris....? Best Ernest |
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15 Jan 08 - 04:39 PM (#2237234) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: GUEST,Obie I thought that most early guitars were four stringers but that baby is a six. I wonder if it was tuned EADGBE? If so it looks more like an "E" to me. |
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16 Jan 08 - 04:34 AM (#2237528) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: Bryn Pugh I asked a friend who also builds Baroque guitars to have a shufti at the original piccy. There are four courses of two strings apiece. Which puts the mockers on the chord being Cmaj :-) |
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16 Jan 08 - 03:03 PM (#2237885) Subject: RE: interesting guitar image From: GUEST,Jim Dixon You might enjoy this old thread: Paintings of folk musicians and dancers |
