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17 Jan 08 - 05:28 PM (#2238783) Subject: RE: Correct the Digital Tradition From: GUEST,Judy Dyble Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but there are several mistakes in the words of the songs that I was involved with on the list of Fairport Convention songs. If you would like me to correct them then I am happy to do so, but I'm not quite sure how to go about it...... |
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17 Jan 08 - 06:07 PM (#2238804) Subject: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Joe Offer As stated in the message above (which I moved from another thread), Judy Dyble has some corrections to Fairport Convention songs that are in the Digital Tradition. Judy, I hope you'll see this and post corrections here. It's best to post the complete lyrics, not just telling us to correct the third word in the second line of the sixteenth stanza - which can cause profound confusion. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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17 Jan 08 - 07:39 PM (#2238864) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Nick I still listen to and enjoy the first Fairport album even though it must be nearly 40 years since I first listened to it. If it is THE Judy Dyble - thanks for the pleasure. |
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17 Jan 08 - 08:06 PM (#2238885) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Susan of DT Actually Joe, it is easier for me if the sites of the corrections are pointed out, rather than my having to do a letter by letter comparison with a newly posted version of a song. Judy, if you are good with HTML, post the whole lyric with the corrections highlighted in some way, so I can see what to correct. Otherwise, third word in the second line of the sixteenth stanza isn't that bad a way to show it. Also, please identify the song by the filename at the end of the file, since that is the best identifier. Which songs are we talking about? And are these additional versions or corrections? |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:01 AM (#2239038) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,Judy Dyble These are the songs from the 1st Fairport LP and nearly every song from it has a mistake in it! I thought that if the songs are there they might as well be the correct versions as we sang them, or, if I can check them with the original version, they will be the original words. I hope! Mostly they are single word corrections, but in the case of One Sure Thing there is an extra verse, which was left out of the Fairport version, but appears on the original Jim & Jean (who wrote it) version, and which I have re-instated in the new version which I am about to release as a single in collaboration with the Conspirators. Heavens! that was a long sentence! Hope this is ok. (and yes Nick, it is me, grin!) |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:11 AM (#2239040) Subject: DT Correction: The Lobster From: GUEST,Judy Dyble How's this Verse 2, 3rd line, 1st word When you'd thought me safely drowned In the depths I swim around Thither when you do descend With my claw I'll tear you, friend THE LOBSTER filename[ LOBSTR correction made on master
(Painter, Hutchings and Thompson) Like a lobster I can swim And can grow another limb Where a powerless stump you saw I have grown a powerful claw When you'd thought me safely drowned In the depths I swim around Thither when you do descend With my claw I'll tear you, friend Copyright Warlock Music recorded by the Fairport Convention on Fairport Convention @animal filename[ LOBSTR JY |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:16 AM (#2239045) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Joe Offer Well, I can see Susan's need - but maybe would it be possible ot post both the correction information and a complete, corrected song? It often takes quite a while for the corrections to appear in the Digital Tradition, and it's nice if people can read them here, complete, right away. I'll add "The Lobster" lyrics to Judy's post to show what I mean. -Joe- |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:24 AM (#2239047) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,Judy Dyble Ok. Not a problem! I'll do the rest as complete songs Judy |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:29 AM (#2239049) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: pavane Judy, Why not register as a member, it is free, and then no-one can impersonate you. |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:39 AM (#2239055) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,Judy Dyble Ok yes I will register, but why anyone would want to impersonate me......? very odd.... |
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18 Jan 08 - 04:42 AM (#2239058) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,Judy Dyble Ah I know why I haven't registered before, I am reluctant to give addresses and telephone numbers unless you can assure me that they will not be made public. |
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18 Jan 08 - 05:10 AM (#2239065) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Geoff the Duck Judy - If you join Mudcat, the info they require from you is :- First name Last Name a "Mudcat Name" (which can be anything not already in use). Some people use their real name, others make something up. a Password, so you can log in or out as suits you. and An e-mail address which is usually only used when someone loses their cookie and forgets their password. Joe will send your password via the e-mail you have given. The e-mail you give is not displayed anywhere on the forum. There are boxes on the form for addresses and phone numbers, but they are not compulsory, so you shouldn't have any worries about private data. The people who run Mudcat don't sell e-mail addresses. There is a section where people can post a profile of their interests or their professional work, but that is purely optional and many of us don't. In my case due to "couldn't be bothered" syndrome as much as anything else. Come on in, the water's lovely... Quack! Geoff the Duck (real name, honest!) |
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18 Jan 08 - 05:36 AM (#2239072) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: pavane Judy, Impersonation has happened in the past to other people. And if you register, you can also send private messages to other members. There are many really knowledgeable and helpful people here. |
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18 Jan 08 - 05:39 AM (#2239073) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble ok dunnit! I'm now me.... |
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18 Jan 08 - 05:55 AM (#2239077) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: pavane Congatulations, and welcome! |
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18 Jan 08 - 06:18 AM (#2239092) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: MoorleyMan Welcome Judy! |
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18 Jan 08 - 06:46 AM (#2239097) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Right then are you ready? Wrong words in brackets, correct ones after my coloured bits don't work so follow instructions in brackets for removal I'll post Chelsea Morning and Jack O'Diamonds as a try out Please tell me if it's ok CHELSEA MORNING (Joni Mitchell) Woke up (big this) it was a Chelsea morning and the first thing that I heard Was a song outside my window And the traffic wrote the words It came ringing up like Christmas bells And rapping up like pipes and drums Oh, won't you stay, we'll put on a day And we'll wear it till the night comes Woke up(big this) it was a Chelsea morning and the first thing that I saw Was the sun through yellow curtains And a rainbow on my wall Blue, red, green and gold to welcome you Crimson, crystal (peaks) beads to beckon Oh, won't you stay, we'll put on a day, There's a side-show every second Now the curtain opens on a portrait of today And the streets are paved with passers-by And (pictures) pigeons fly and papers lie Just waiting to blow away Woke up (big this) it was a Chelsea morning and the first thing that I knew There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges too And the light poured in like butterscotch And stuck to all my senses Oh, won't you stay, we'll put on a day And we'll talk in present tenses Now the curtain closes and the rainbow runs away I'll bring you incense(,) owls by night By candle-light, by jewel-light If only you will stay Pretty baby, won't you Wake up, it's (the) a Chelsea morning copyright Essex Music Recorded by Fairport Convention on Fairport Convention filename[ CHELSAM JY JACK O'DIAMONDS (Bob Dylan & Carruthers) Jack O'Diamonds, on the move Jack O'Diamonds, one-eyed knave On the move, hits the street Bumps his head, on the ground Well, he's a scout, you're born to lose Shouldn't stay Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card to play Jack O'Diamonds, yeah Jack O'Diamonds This one-eyed prince, wears a (*single love*) single glove Oh sure, he's not that lovely Jack O'Diamonds broke my hand Left me here to stand Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card to land Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card Jack O'Diamonds is a high card Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card But it ain't hard enough (Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card to land - remove) Jack O'Diamonds can open for riches Jack O'Diamonds but then it switches (Colour by) Cover my picture but it's only a ten (But it ain't hard enough -remove) Diamond (Jack O'Diamonds, yeah Jack O'Diamonds Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card to play - remove) Jack O'Diamonds, yeah Jack O'Diamonds This one-eyed prince, wears a (*single love*) single glove Oh sure, he's not that lovely Jack O'Diamonds broke my hand (diamonds - remove) Left me here to stand (hard card to play -remove ) (Jack O'Diamonds, yeah Jack O'Diamonds - remove) Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card to play (ove* - remove) Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card Jack O'Diamonds is a high card Jack O'Diamonds is a hard card But it ain't hard enough Jack O'Diamonds can open for riches (ay - remove) Jack O'Diamonds but then it switches (Colour by) Cover my picture but it's only a ten Jack O'Diamonds Copyright Warner Brothers Music Recorded by Fairport Convention on Fairport Convention @cards filename[ JACKDIAM JY correction made on master |
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18 Jan 08 - 08:27 AM (#2239141) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST >>I'll bring you incense(,) owls by night My wife sings Chelsea Morning and I have always found the above to be something of a bizarre line. Is it a really angry owl? As in "incensed owl". Why would you give someone an angry owl? Or is it an owl who has been perched in an incense-laden atmosphere and presumably smells pleasant as it quietly flies past you - a bit like a live air-freshener. And even if it's not smelly or cross - why would you bring someone an owl? It's very strange behaviour I used to reckon it was an incensed towel which might be quite pleasant. Enjoyed your web site by the way and your descriptions of your return to singing at Cropredy were sweet, and the library experience. |
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18 Jan 08 - 08:44 AM (#2239153) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble As I understand it, the 'incense owl' was similar to today's scented candle holders, possibly it was an owl shaped incense burner in the room in which Ms Mitchell stayed in Chelsea about which she wrote the song. Yes people burnt a lot of incense in the late sixties. Can't think why........ |
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18 Jan 08 - 08:46 AM (#2239155) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: nickp Welcome Judy, glad you've joined. I'd like to say you won't regret it but the Mudcat is a great community and gets really contagious, so it depends on how much spare time you have! Nick (who prefer early FC to what they've been doing for the last 15 years or so). |
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18 Jan 08 - 08:57 AM (#2239160) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Nick Sorry that was me again above - I was being a little flippant on the owl thing. |
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18 Jan 08 - 08:57 AM (#2239161) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Well I have been lurking and reading for a long time, and it is a pleasure to be here. I won't post any more corrections till I'm told that the ones that I have done are understandable if that's ok. |
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18 Jan 08 - 08:58 AM (#2239163) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Rasener Hi Judy Welcome on board. :-) Les Worrall |
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18 Jan 08 - 10:04 AM (#2239217) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Susan of DT Thank you, Judy. Your format was easy to work with and I have made the corrections on the master. It is not surprising that someone listening to a record would not get every word right. (But I am glad it was not me). Joe - I could move these to the corrections made thread, but I think they will be easier for people to find if I leave them here. |
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18 Jan 08 - 10:24 AM (#2239236) Subject: Lyr Add: I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND (Joni Mitchell From: Judy Dyble I'll post the others then... No idea why I Don't Know Where I stand has picked up a chorus from! and don't forget the 'I' in the title (might not be obvious!) BOTH SIDES NOW (Joni Mitchell) (Bows) Rows and flows of angel hair And ice-cream castles in the sky And (feather)feathered canyons everywhere I've looked (to) at clouds that way. But now they only block the sun, They rain and snow on everyone. So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way. I've looked at clouds from both sides now, From up and down, and still somehow, Its cloud illusions I recall, I really don't know clouds at all. Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels The dizzy dancing way you feel As every fairy tale comes real I've looked at (clouds) love that way. But now it's just another show You leave 'em laughing when they go And if you care don't let them know Don't give yourself away. I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all. Tears and fears and feeling proud To say "I love you" right out loud Dreams and schemes and circus crowds I've looked at life that way. But now old friends are acting strange They shake their heads, they say I've changed But something's lost and something's gained In living every day. I've looked at life from both sides now From win and lose and still somehow It's life's illusions I recall I really don't know life at all. Copyright Joni Mitchell filename[ BOTHSIDE LV I DON'T KNOW WHERE I STAND (Joni Mitchell) Funny day, looking for laughter and finding it there Sunny day, braiding (white) wildflowers and leaves in my hair Picked up a pencil and wrote 'I love you' in my finest hand Wanted to send it but I don't know where I stand (Cho: If you want to live to be a poor man or a prince Pay good attention when evil times abound Always listen to what your mother says and stay in bed at night - remove) Telephone, even the sound of your voice is still new All alone in Carolina and talking to you And feeling too foolish and strange to say the words that I had planned Guess it's too early 'cos I don't know where I stand Crickets talk, courting their ladies in star-dappled green Crickets talk until the morning comes up like a dream All muted and misty, so drowsy now, I'll take what sleep I can I know that I miss you but I don't know where I stand Know that I miss you but I don't know where I stand Copyright Essex Music Recorded by Fairport Convention @love filename[ WHERSTAN JY corrections made on master |
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18 Jan 08 - 10:30 AM (#2239241) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Only a couple of corrections in this TIME WILL SHOW THE WISER (Rhodes) My mind keeps on telling me that this is no good And my heart is aching, (that) and tells me I should But only time will show the wiser I've fallen in love with a girl that's not mine If I take her it will hurt him, (a) the very best friend of mine But I know that I need someone, to hold, to love And my mind says I shouldn't but my heart says I should And I don't know which to go by, my mind or my heart And this is so confusing, it's tearing me apart Time, it will show the wiser Well, I wish someone would help me, this decision is mine And my morals and emotions are hard to combine And there is no easy way out to limit the time That it takes till she finds out for the love that I hide And I don't know which to go by, my mind or my heart And this is so confusing, it's tearing me apart Time, it will show the wiser Time, it will show the wiser Time, it will show the wiser Copyright Island Music Recorded by Fairport Convention @love filename[ TIMEWISE JY Additional verse and repeated chorus in this ONE SURE THING He used to be the only man I would see He used to be the only good man for me Oh, he used to be my one sure thing There was a time when he would come when I called There was a time when I would take and not give at all Oh he used to be my one sure thing ADDITIONAL VERSE Look at me now, what you see, it isn't me Look at me now, just a leaf without a tree Oh, he used to be my one sure thing My man, he doesn't care for me And what he does, he doesn't do for me And when I need something To him, it doesn't mean a thing You know he used to be my one sure thing My man, he doesn't care for me And what he does, he doesn't do for me And when I need something To him, it doesn't mean a thing You know he used to be my one sure thing Recorded by Fairport Convention filename[ SURETING JY And the last one I think IT'S ALRIGHT MA, IT'S ONLY WITCHCRAFT Lookin' through the window to see which way the wind blows It seems as though a hurricane is due today Sunny on the outside, stormy on the inside Stormy weather's always best for making hay Here comes Everlastin', looks like he's been fastin' With his friends in the den where directors roll Like a banderillo with his cigarillo Robs the rich, robs the rest, brings it all back home Please don't get us wrong, man This is just a song, man No matter what you say This is the season, stormy weather's on the way This is the season, stormy weather's on the way You better start worrying (which *grabs* you) witchcraft's here to stay In blows Snow White, the dwarves are kinda off-white The (patient's) vision's his decision so they're outta luck Associates are reelin', the wallpaper is peelin' He doesn't see the paperwork that's come unstuck Please don't get us wrong, man This is just a song, man No matter what you say This is the season, stormy weather's on the way This is the season, stormy weather's on the way You better start worrying(which *grabs*you) witchcraft's here to stay In comes Saville, had his fill of travel Grabbed a bite on the flight, just touched down today Lookin' drawn and haggard, through the door he staggered With a sound that he found (on the) over Frisco Way Please don't get us wrong, man This is just a song, man No matter what you say This is the season, stormy weather's on the way This is the season, stormy weather's on the way You better start worrying(which *grabs*you) witchcraft's here to stay recorded by the Fairport Convention filename[ WITCHCRF JY corrections made on master |
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18 Jan 08 - 10:34 AM (#2239245) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble And I realised I'd been singing the wrong words to Reno Nevada recently when I re-listened to Richard and Mimi Farina's version,(oops!) so I do understand about transcribing from records, just thought it would be good to have the right words to the one's that I knew |
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18 Jan 08 - 11:16 AM (#2239285) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice the lyrics to any Richard Thompson written/co-written material can, of course, be found on RT's official website in the Song-o-matic section |
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18 Jan 08 - 02:36 PM (#2239425) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Yes that is absolutely true, It's still got a couple of errors on it though:-) |
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18 Jan 08 - 03:11 PM (#2239446) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice Does Richard know that, Judy? *LOL* |
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26 Jan 08 - 03:38 PM (#2245583) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: GUEST,sebastian Slightly off topic, I heard the new Judy Dyble/Conspirators remake of One Sure Thing yesterday, and its little short of amazing. If it gets any kind of exposure, it could well be a hit record. Great site! Seb |
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26 Jan 08 - 05:16 PM (#2245674) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Well thank you Sebastian. That'd be a hoot wouldn't it? Judy |
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26 Jan 08 - 05:33 PM (#2245687) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Nick I'm fascinated as to why they picked up on that particular song after all these years which hasn't had loads of covers to my knowledge - is there a reason? Coincidentally I had seen them advertising for a bass player a while back as they are reasonably local to us (as I was looking to join another band) but felt I might be a little on the ancient side. I heard it last week on myspace and it's very enjoyable - a good update but still true to the original |
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26 Jan 08 - 05:48 PM (#2245709) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble The Conspirators really liked the song and so do I and it was one that we thought would work well together with two lead singers so that was why we chose it! They have found another bass player now who is really excellent and it is the most entertainingly amusing thing that I have done so far..... Judy |
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03 Oct 12 - 03:57 AM (#3413463) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Am dragging this thread to the front again...as none of the corrections I posted have been errr corrected after 4 years. I don't mind, but it does seem to have been a bit of a waste of my time..:( |
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03 Oct 12 - 04:13 AM (#3413468) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Dave Hanson It takes many years to correct lyrics in the DT Judy. Dave H |
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03 Oct 12 - 04:18 AM (#3413472) Subject: RE: DT Correction: Fairport Convention Songs From: Judy Dyble Ah ok.. |