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16 Feb 08 - 02:00 PM (#2263936) Subject: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bert Yes this is a BS thread because it is tongue in cheek and just for fun. SO let's not get too serious here. Marti Rogers once said that a true folk singer must be able to sing Mattie Groves. I used to think that a true folk singer must be able to sing The Old Sow Song. But now I think that a true folk singer is someone who turns off the car radio and sings songs to themselves. |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:13 PM (#2263950) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Dan Keding A true folksinger must be able to play the first few bars of "Freight Train" but not the whole song. You lose your folksinger i.d. card if you can play it correctly all the way through. Dan |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:14 PM (#2263952) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace A true folksinge will sing and the delivery will touch the hearts and souls of the audience. |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:24 PM (#2263962) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bill D A true folksinger is one who has never heard of the problem of defining 'folk'....but still knows who Libba Cotten is. |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:29 PM (#2263968) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Amos ...and who employed her... A |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:44 PM (#2263984) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: George Papavgeris ...unaware of any definitions of "folk", and couldn't care less. He/she just sings for the joy of it, and is appreciated for the same. |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:45 PM (#2263985) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: George Papavgeris alternatively: ... one whose ears never collect any wax. |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:46 PM (#2263988) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace I think I need help because I write and play folked-up rock and I know who Libba is. |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:49 PM (#2263993) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace GEORGE. Your new CD is wonderful. All 64 minutes and 10 seconds of it.(Just thought I'd mention that.) |
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16 Feb 08 - 02:52 PM (#2263997) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bill D "...I know who Libba is." Necessary, but not sufficient condition... ☺ |
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16 Feb 08 - 03:07 PM (#2264019) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Big Al Whittle anyone who's had Derek Brimstone kip on their sofa. |
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16 Feb 08 - 03:11 PM (#2264023) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace OK. I know about Woody--had one when I awoke today. I have heard Dylan and I love "A Child's Christmas in Wales." I can spell mixolydian and know that it and the dominant seventh scale are the same despite it seeming to be a contaminant in cigarette tobacco. I know that 1954 was an important year for folk music because it was finally defined, and I too wonder where all the flowers have gone. So, even though I'm not a folksinger, I have shaken the hand of at least three. Does any of this stuff count? |
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16 Feb 08 - 03:15 PM (#2264027) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Little Hawk ...someone with a keen appreciation for the past musical traditions and a keen eye on the present as well. |
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16 Feb 08 - 03:19 PM (#2264031) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace A keen eye on the present . . . . |
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16 Feb 08 - 03:20 PM (#2264032) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bee-dubya-ell A true folk singer is exactly different from a head of cabbage except when they are the same. |
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16 Feb 08 - 03:22 PM (#2264035) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace But a RED cabbage, aye? |
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16 Feb 08 - 04:21 PM (#2264069) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: gnu .... poor. |
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16 Feb 08 - 04:29 PM (#2264079) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: katlaughing I was talking with an eighty year old friend on the phone, last night. She knows about the Mudcat and she is very well educated, plus sings beautifully at certain events, enjoys folks music, but doesn't know a lot about the "folk world" so to speak. I was rattling on about the "folkies" on Mudcat when she said, "The WHAT?" I slowed down and said it again, "Folkies." Then, I explained it meant you lot...the singer/songwriters and musicians at the Mudcat. She laughed and said she'd never heard "them" called that before. She lives in Boulder, CO and has never been shy about getting out and about, so I was surprised she'd never heard teh expression. So...it is less common than I thought? Are you a folkie? |
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16 Feb 08 - 05:31 PM (#2264126) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Gene Burton Anybody with a good voice who sings good songs, regardless of source. |
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16 Feb 08 - 05:38 PM (#2264133) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace "Are you a folkie?" I prefer peace to war, calm to storm, I cry when I see hungry children, and when people hurt, I do too. I like lots of music, from classical to jazz, trad to rock. I have a dislike for most of the 'political' -isms, and I think people are more important than things. If that's a folkie, then I guess I am too. |
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16 Feb 08 - 06:05 PM (#2264152) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Art Thieme ...one who doesn't delete the words folk and/or folksinger from their own self description, promo packet, vocabulary and interviews---and therefore feels no guilt when using those terms even though, to some, folk is a filthy four letter word in these times of redefining and revisionist history. Art Thieme |
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16 Feb 08 - 06:17 PM (#2264156) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Richard Bridge Oh dear. |
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16 Feb 08 - 06:23 PM (#2264160) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bill D "Anybody with a good voice who sings good songs, regardless of source. Maria Callas was a folkie? Just like Yma Sumac? |
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16 Feb 08 - 06:23 PM (#2264161) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: dwditty John Lennon . . . . . . . . . . . . . I'm kidding.....sheesh. |
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16 Feb 08 - 06:41 PM (#2264170) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: gnu Imagine there's no fuckups.... that is good folkin music. |
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16 Feb 08 - 07:35 PM (#2264200) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Little Hawk I wonder if you can.... |
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16 Feb 08 - 07:37 PM (#2264204) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: katlaughing Right on, Art! Err....maybe I should say Left on, Art!! (The connotations are so different these days!) |
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16 Feb 08 - 08:56 PM (#2264234) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Dan Keding A folksinger is someone who enjoys the finer tings in life while knowing that those finer things are beyond their wildest financial dreams. Also, someone who ignores the modern electronic tuner for the finely tuned ear that they have cultivated over the years - remember this is suppose to be a funny thread!! :) Dan |
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16 Feb 08 - 10:09 PM (#2264269) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: katlaughing Far trout! That's what I meant to say! |
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16 Feb 08 - 10:47 PM (#2264290) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Rapparee someone who doesn't give a shit about the definition or provenance or origin of the music, they just like the danged stuff. Like Peace said above. "This is a little ditty that was composed at 11:37 p.m. in a boothy in the hills above Camp, County Kerry by a young man who was supposed to be watching Lord Ventry's sheep but who had gotten some poteen. Since this was on February 19th, 1857, there were no wolves or bears around, but it was lambing time and, as you know, Camp is just a peninsula over from Killorglin, where they annually celebrate Puck Fair. That, of course...." And the song never gets sung because the background gets in the way. |
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16 Feb 08 - 11:09 PM (#2264304) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bill D Oh, you've BEEN to a Michael Cooney concert! |
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17 Feb 08 - 02:11 AM (#2264350) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Gurney ...is never paid. Paid singers are professional. Even if they don't earn their living that way. |
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17 Feb 08 - 08:10 AM (#2264452) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Ernest ...someone who is not going to do a Dylan medley when asked to do some of that mixolydian stuff... |
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17 Feb 08 - 08:37 AM (#2264458) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: bankley someone who shouldn't be confused with a false folk singer |
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17 Feb 08 - 12:32 PM (#2264584) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Bert Someone who doesn't edit the swear words out of the sea shanties. |
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17 Feb 08 - 12:54 PM (#2264605) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Waddon Pete "A true folk singer is..." ....enjoying themselves! (Usually at a session with an eclectic mix of material!) Best wishes, Peter |
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17 Feb 08 - 02:29 PM (#2264679) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Charley Noble "All the true folk singers are dead, and I'm not feeling so well myself." I'm not sure whom I'm paraphrasing but it will do for this thread. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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17 Feb 08 - 04:15 PM (#2264790) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Smiler If I had a hammer............ There'd be no more folk singers! |
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17 Feb 08 - 04:23 PM (#2264798) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace Steve's Hammer (For Pete) One of these days I'm gonna lay this hammer down And I won't have to drag this weight around When there ain't no hunger And there ain't no pain Then I won't have to swing this thing One of these day I'm gonna lay this hammer down One of these nights I'm gonna sing a different tune All night long beneath the silvery moon When the war is over And the union's strong Won't sing no more angry songs One of these nights I'm gonna sing a different tune Someday when my struggle's through I won't have to strive Until then all I can do Is let my hammer fly One of these days I'm gonna lay this hammer down Leave my burden restin' on the ground When the air don't choke ya and the ocean's clean And kids don't die for gasoline One of these days I'm gonna lay this hammer down John Henry was a mighty man Worked his whole life long When he made that hammer ring He always sang this song One of these days I'm gonna lay this hammer down And I won't have to drag this weight around When there ain't no hunger And there ain't no pain Then I won't have to swing this thing One of these day I'm gonna lay this hammer down Yeah, one of these days I'm gonna lay this hammer down |
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17 Feb 08 - 04:23 PM (#2264800) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace That song was written by Steve Earle. |
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17 Feb 08 - 04:51 PM (#2264819) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Ythanside known to be on the loose somewhere on Bodmin Moor. Members of the public are being warned to keep away until the creature is cornered and shot. :-) |
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17 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM (#2265007) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Rapparee ...usually somewhere where I ain't. |
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18 Feb 08 - 02:30 AM (#2265117) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Lonesome EJ ..writing a song right now that will be well known long after he is forgotten. |
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18 Feb 08 - 07:41 AM (#2265243) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine as, Lonesome EJ, but will it be "a true folk song"? ;-) |
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18 Feb 08 - 09:41 AM (#2265318) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: sian, west wales ... someone who takes 5 minutes to introduce a 2 minute song. And I'm pretty sure that I picked that up from Mudcat in the dim and distant past; not original, but deeper than it looks. sian |
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18 Feb 08 - 10:04 AM (#2265339) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Shimrod A folk singer is someone who doesn't believe in labels - or definitions - and, hence, can't tell his arse from his elbow ... possibly? |
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18 Feb 08 - 03:01 PM (#2265580) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace Works for me, Shimrod. |
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19 Feb 08 - 04:08 AM (#2265996) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Dead Horse .......a thing of the past ! |
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19 Feb 08 - 05:42 AM (#2266036) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,PMB A TRUE folk singer is one who doesn't sing the Derby Ram.... I went to Derby Market Without a word of lies, And I saw a normal ram there Of pretty well average size! Indeed sir, it's true sir, For lies are strangers to us, And if you go to Derby You'll wonder why bthe fuss... |
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19 Feb 08 - 03:00 PM (#2266563) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST Me. I'm a true folk singer. |
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19 Feb 08 - 03:16 PM (#2266582) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Gene Burton Whereas I'm just an acoustic rock singer songwriter. I have that on good authority. (!splutter!?) judge for yourselves... |
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19 Feb 08 - 03:22 PM (#2266589) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Rapparee Someone told me my singing was folked up, so I guess I are one. |
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20 Feb 08 - 12:32 PM (#2267532) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Bert Nice one sian. |
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20 Feb 08 - 08:38 PM (#2268090) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: frogprince ...wasted on the sidewalk, in his jacket and his jeans, wearing yesterday's misfortunes like a smile... |
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21 Feb 08 - 04:47 PM (#2268910) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Herga Kitty I was officially trashed in the Living Tradition as not a folksinger, but someone who sings folk songs.... Kitty |
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21 Feb 08 - 04:52 PM (#2268916) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Amos FUBAR (Folkied Up Beyond All Rescuing). A |
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21 Feb 08 - 05:58 PM (#2268975) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Shimrod "I was officially trashed in the Living Tradition as not a folksinger, but someone who sings folk songs...." I wouldn't get too upset if I were you, Kitty. At least you got something vaguely resembling a critical response. Most 'Living Tradition' reviews are anodyne in the extreme ("this is a really nice disc - you should give it a spin" sort of thing). Perhaps their (completely unsubstantiated and unqualified) slightly negative comment could mean that you shook them out of their complacency? |
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21 Feb 08 - 06:30 PM (#2269002) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: van lingle Someone who'd rather sing about the nobility of hard work than actually indulge in it.*G* |
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21 Feb 08 - 07:50 PM (#2269080) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Gene Burton Those who can, do, those who can't, criticise. It's instructive to note that by and large the people in this joint most notorious for denigrating performers are people who don't play or sing themselves. Dare say that applies to the "real" critics in magazines, too. |
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21 Feb 08 - 07:54 PM (#2269084) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace I'm with you on that, Gene. Too bloody true. Best to ignore them. Perhaps they'll choke on their bile and go away. |
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21 Feb 08 - 07:57 PM (#2269087) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Peace I say that because I'd prefer that they choke on it than I gag because of it. |
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22 Feb 08 - 08:55 AM (#2269458) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Big Al Whittle Its a wonder you have any friends Kitty. that's so reprehensible - singing folksongs and you're not a real folksinger. What was it gave you away.......not wearing Doc Martens, not having a nose stud, 666 not tatooed in your hair? |
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22 Feb 08 - 10:33 AM (#2269571) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: GUEST,Peace So, who's Alan Rose (the critic)? |
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22 Feb 08 - 11:34 AM (#2269620) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Dan Schatz If all these definitions of folk and folksinger hold true - very lonely. Dan |
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23 Feb 08 - 09:20 AM (#2270260) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: kendall Labels are irrelevent. (Unless it's one that I use.) Kitty, What really counts far more than someone who is giving out their opinion of your category, is, can you sing? Well, I have heard you sing, and I would much rather hear you than some unknown critic with an opinion. You have a beautiful voice, and I would listen if you were singing the London phone book! (expletive deleted) |
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23 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM (#2270655) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Don(Wyziwyg)T "...is never paid. Paid singers are professional. Even if they don't earn their living that way." I'd like to see that opinion presented to Martin Carthy, Stan Hugill, Alex Campbell, or Ewan McColl. The responses would, at the very least, be entertaining. Kitty, not a folksinger, but a singer of folk songs? That kind of nitpicking, mean spirited, comment says much more about the critic than about you. Having heard you sing, I just don't care what anyone else chooses to call it. You are a better singer than he will ever be a critic. Don T. |
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23 Feb 08 - 09:16 PM (#2270710) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Amos ...knows better than to take the steel strings off a guitar while wearing a wooly Irish fisherman's sweater. A |
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24 Feb 08 - 06:15 AM (#2270863) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: van lingle Lol, that disqualifies me. |
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24 Feb 08 - 01:55 PM (#2271111) Subject: RE: BS: A true folk singer is.... From: Herga Kitty I've just caught up with the latest postings, because I was in Sidmouth from Friday until today, for the midwinter reunion of the Middle Bar Singers. We just sang all sorts of songs to enjoy ourselves, and it was heartwarming to hear how some of the people who'd been terrified of singing to a room of people last year had gained in confidence since they actually did sing. Kendall - that's a rave review, and I shall treasure it! Kitty |
