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25 Mar 08 - 09:08 AM (#2297177) Subject: Folklore: Torkshire dielect question From: GUEST,Play.Ford I asked a question on E-ceilidh and no real answer came out of it. The word is "clogdop" and the context was Barn Dance / Ceilidh. Does anyone from Yorkshire recognise the word? What region is it from? Does it have a wider meaning? Or is this too obscure? Someone thought clod-hop would be related but to me clod-hopping refers to an ungainly gait or wearing heavy boots (or the boots, as in clod-hoppers). |
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25 Mar 08 - 09:10 AM (#2297178) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dielect question From: GUEST,Play.Ford Just when you thought you had the hang of this forum you miss the spelling - can anyone remedy this? should be Yorkshire. |
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25 Mar 08 - 09:25 AM (#2297195) Subject: RE: Folklore: Torkshire dielect question From: the button Could you give us a sentence that it might have appeared in? I must admit, it doesn't sound familiar (and I used to play in a ceilidh band in East Yorkshire). |
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25 Mar 08 - 11:15 AM (#2297281) Subject: RE: Folklore: Torkshire dielect question From: GUEST,Betsy Could be a bit of a mickey-take or "In-joke" by referring to a Ceilidh / Barn Dance as a clog - bop which I think is quite a good laugh. Otherwise you missed the moment completely when someone was telling you the bogs or something else,were clogdop - which is quite something else . Cheers Besty |
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25 Mar 08 - 11:42 AM (#2297305) Subject: RE: Folklore: Torkshire dielect question From: GUEST,squeezeboxkc could it be CLOGGED UP this is west riding speak for a blockage |
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25 Mar 08 - 01:44 PM (#2297374) Subject: RE: Folklore: Torkshire dielect question From: r.padgett Nope This does not appear in Nigel Hudleston's [spelling here is correct]Yorkshire Glossary of words and sayings Ray |
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25 Mar 08 - 02:04 PM (#2297395) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Does that one contain the three identical words which mean 'it is not inside the metal box' Ray? |
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25 Mar 08 - 02:18 PM (#2297403) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave Tin't in. Dave |
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25 Mar 08 - 02:21 PM (#2297409) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,Play.Ford tin tin tin? Clog Bop I can understand. the source was not a ceilidh dancer as I understand it. More an engineer or family member of a Barn Dance/Ceilidh band. Bop is a good 1960's type of word for a dance, eg jive was referred to as a bopping (mother tells me). |
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25 Mar 08 - 02:22 PM (#2297411) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: the button You've a tin missing, Dave. ;-) Tintintin. |
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25 Mar 08 - 05:30 PM (#2297576) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST I like the notice on the shop door in Rotherham "You can't come in while we're open" John |
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25 Mar 08 - 06:06 PM (#2297596) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,Tom Bliss And the shop in Otley 'Brian Pickles Lawnmowers' |
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25 Mar 08 - 06:24 PM (#2297602) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: BusyBee Paul Well, at least Brian doesn't deep fry them in batter! |
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25 Mar 08 - 06:39 PM (#2297610) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Willa 't i'nt in tin (it isn't in the tin) |
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25 Mar 08 - 07:31 PM (#2297630) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave Question from Tom Bliss (summarised): Is it in the Book? Answer from FD - (me): 'Tin't in. ' Perfctly grammatical. People daring to correct my dialect? Punctuation were a bit iffy mind........ :-) Ah'll get mi coert. |
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25 Mar 08 - 07:41 PM (#2297633) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Zany Mouse Just a thought, but aren't clogs more related to Lancashire? I wondered if it could be something to do with clog morris or similar. Can I suggest some Mudelf changes the thread name in the hope that others might pick it up. Not everyone is interested in my belovéd area. Blessings Rhiannon |
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26 Mar 08 - 08:25 AM (#2297891) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,fantum Could it be Clodhop which would be a shoe Though I would use the term Clodhopper to describe someone thats clumsy with his feet Clodhoppers are heavy, leather broad-bottomed shoes worn by farm persons. The broad soles of the shoes permit the foot to span lumpy clods left from plowing and other cultivating. Hence, there was born the idea that the shoe enabled feet to hop over clods. Some Americans living in the South, as well as many African Americans use the term "clodhoppers" to refer to any kind of shoes. |
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26 Mar 08 - 02:09 PM (#2298107) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: r.padgett I Like Crag rat [nowt to do wi this tho] And came up in converstion today: ~ The lovely word "smittle" when someone accused another of passing a cold to someone! "Ah'll get me coit" like Dave Eyre but ah come frum Barnsley! Ray |
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26 Mar 08 - 02:21 PM (#2298114) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Mr Red and "nesh"? Interesting this one - it got my attention on E-coli. |
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26 Mar 08 - 02:50 PM (#2298141) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: r.padgett "Nesh" ~ Yorkshire Dialect as ~ Nice, over nice, particular, choosy, tender, delicate often used when someone says that they are "cau'd" = cold Ray |
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26 Mar 08 - 03:27 PM (#2298182) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Les from Hull We don't have a dialect in Yorkshire. A lot o' them other buggers 'ave tho'. |
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26 Mar 08 - 04:32 PM (#2298234) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: The Borchester Echo nesh Used to describe southerners who can't stand the bracing climate. It's used in Northumbrian/Durham, never heard it as far south as Barnsley . . . Clogs are Northumbrian too. For proper clogging. |
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26 Mar 08 - 08:04 PM (#2298402) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Malcolm Douglas 'Nesh' is common usage in Sheffield, though not used with any regional prejudice in my experience. Lancashire retained its clog dancing tradition more widely and recently than Yorkshire (largely, I suspect, through stage connections) but clogs as such are not, I think, 'more related' to Lancashire; or the north-east, for that matter. The clog shop on Lady's Bridge in Sheffield is long gone, though. As for 'clogdop', you should ask Pete Smith of Sheffield City Morris when he gets back from Australia. I think he was partly responsible for the 'medup' morris style, and it sounds rather up his street. |
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27 Mar 08 - 10:27 AM (#2298720) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Dave Higham Born in Shafton, lived 40 years in Sheffield, we all knew what nesh means. It describes people who don't want to go for a dip in the sea at Brid. (at Easter). So here's another one for you. What are the origins of 'mardy' (sp?). As in "Yer mardy bugger. Why waint tha gu fra swim?"! I have my own theory. Then there's 'tekkin umbrage', I could go on... |
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27 Mar 08 - 10:38 AM (#2298732) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,leeneia I checked the unabridged dictionary, and it does not have 'clogdop.' However, it does have 'clogdoggo,' which means 'an encumbrance.' This word appeared in the writing of Ben Jonson. I can imagine 'clogdoggo' losing its Spanish-sounding ending and turning into 'clogdop' over the centuries. |
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27 Mar 08 - 10:55 AM (#2298750) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: r.padgett "Tekkin Umberage" is being offended by someone making a comment which they don't like "Mardy" origins not known ~ but describes a persons feelings in a situation such as not being inclined to bathe in the sea at Easter at "Brid" when the others have probably "had one or two" Ray |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:00 PM (#2298804) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Dave Higham I'd lived in France for nearly 20 years before I came across the phrase 'il a pris ombrage'. You'd think it might mean he's gone to sit in the shade but it doesn't. It means ''e's tekken umbrage'. Just as Ray says. Taken offense (and perhaps gone off to sulk). What about the origins of 'mardy' though. Any ideas? |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:26 PM (#2298827) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave For those not familiar with the hanky waving tradition of Sheffield City Morris - a cotswold style team - the Medup tradition was first discovered during the long hot summer of 1976 when the reservoir was much drier than usual. There lying in the mud of the Midhope Reservoir photograph here was discovered an old oak chest. There in an old manuscript safely shielded by the watertightness of the oak which had swelled up in the water and also by the oilskin covering, lay the instructions to the various Midhope Dances as performed by Sheffield City Morris. The team practice in Burton St. Centre where the Doc Rowe archive is stored http://www.docrowe.org.uk/index.html and the original manuscripts are in excellent storage conditions there. Midhope gradually became Medhope and then Medoap and thus Medup. Can't see where dialect comes into that. I am most surprised at Malcolm Douglas whose research and respect for the facts is normally exemplary. Smithy lands at Manchester a week on Friday i.e. April 4th at 7.00 am.It is believed Annie will be going back to work whilst himself will be learning what it is like to be reitred. |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:33 PM (#2298830) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave Nesh also means a fancy dan footballer (like those of Sheffield Wednesday) who flinches away from a tackle with a no-necked full back who had been fed on raw meat. Example in use: "Tha's neshed it". Derivation? Well "nose" probably and frightened of getting broken. Similarly Dave Higham's explanation of being frightened to go into the sea at Brid at Easter applies also. Frightened of some part of the anatomy - here nose is a euphemism - dropping off. Though I must admit a modicum of surpise at M. Higham as we call him now forgetting the origin of Medup. I blame the wine. |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:34 PM (#2298831) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: r.padgett Retirement highly recommended Mr Eyre is no doubt in demand for his embellished Shaggy Dog stories somewhere Just joking Dave! Ray |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:35 PM (#2298833) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Dave Higham You know what, Dave? A lot of people are going to believe you! I can tell Smithy what it's like to be 'reitred'. It's grand. |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:39 PM (#2298836) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave "Gradely Dave, "gradely". As in "Lassies". Surely you remember them? Shaggy Dog stories? I have introduced the dances with that story since time immoral. Are you claiming it isn't true? Ah'm a bit miffed abart that. And I could get mardy. |
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27 Mar 08 - 12:47 PM (#2298838) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Dave Higham I have to admit I nearly said gradely but it sounded a bit 'stage Yorkshire'. Tha can allus tell a Yorkshireman...... but not much. |
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27 Mar 08 - 02:07 PM (#2298895) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Snuffy One theory about "mardy" - was originally "marred" = spoilt, petulant,prima-donna-ish, etc |
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27 Mar 08 - 02:39 PM (#2298917) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave Nar mi owd. T'origins date back to fishin' when a bloke failed to catch a fish it wor said he had missed art.........and the slovenly speech patterns of the S. Yorkshire folk eventually elided this "missd art" to mart and then mardy indicating he'd got face on. There is even a tennis player named after the story!! |
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27 Mar 08 - 04:40 PM (#2299025) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Dave Higham Tha meeans, "Na'then mi owd, ar's it gooin", which, as we all know is an almost literal translation from the French of "Eh beh mon vieux, comment ça va?" As for mardy. There's always been an enemy. Long before Bin Laden and Saddam there was 'Itler and before him Kaiser Bill, etc. and in 1885 the British forces under General "Chinese" Gordon were beaten at Khartoum by The Mad Mahdi. Just a thought. |
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27 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM (#2299126) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,Chris P. In my tender years in Manchester one might be a Mard Bugger, so I go for "marred" as above. |
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28 Mar 08 - 04:55 AM (#2299397) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: r.padgett "Gradely" is a Lancastrian import "flowers" Ray |
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28 Mar 08 - 09:58 AM (#2299538) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: GUEST,buspassed Never ask an Englishman where he's from. If he's from Yorkshire he'll tell you. If he is not, it is unfair to embarrass him! |
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29 Mar 08 - 04:53 AM (#2300211) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Mo the caller I first hears the word 'nesh' in the Potteries |
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29 Mar 08 - 06:04 AM (#2300226) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Mo the caller Guest John said I like the notice on the shop door in Rotherham "You can't come in while we're open" My Yorkshire born and bred OH tells the story of the level crossing notices "Stop here while light is red" that had to be changed because "while" means the opposite in Yorkshire to it's meaning in the South of England. |
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29 Mar 08 - 06:07 AM (#2300229) Subject: RE: Folklore: Yorkshire dialect question From: Folkiedave Two blokes passing in the street one with six rolls of wallpaper under his arm. Decorating? No, flittin. |