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08 Mar 07 - 10:45 AM (#1990513) Subject: Cool Water ... date? From: GUEST,DrWord can someone date the Bob Nolan tune 4 me? Thanks. Dennis |
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08 Mar 07 - 01:08 PM (#1990643) Subject: RE: Cool Water ... date? From: Scoville On the hit parade in 1941. I assume it was written shortly before that (it sounds like it) and not significantly earlier, but I couldn't find an actual publication date. |
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08 Mar 07 - 01:58 PM (#1990686) Subject: RE: Cool Water ... date? From: 12-stringer Recorded by the SOP on 27 March 1941, in Chicago (Decca). NB that the group were out of the studio between December 1937 and March 1941, so their song list for the session need not be construed as all written specifically for the date. Bob Atcher did a cover of "Cool Water" for Okeh, 13 June 1940, months before the SOP recorded it themselves, and it must have been in circulation by then. According to IMDb, the song is featured in Community Sing: Songs of the West, a Columbia musical short subject starring the SOP, which was filmed in mid or late 1938 and released on 2 February 1939. This suggests it was probably written sometime after Dec 1937 (the group's last date with Vocalion) but before the end of 1938. |
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07 Apr 08 - 09:00 AM (#2308999) Subject: Lyr Add: COOL WATER (Bob Nolan) From: Mr Happy The DT version has a verse missing. Here's the whole thing: COOL WATER. (Bob Nolan, 1936) All day I've faced a barren waste Without a taste of water Cool water. Old Dan and I with throats burnt dry And souls that cry for water Cool, clear water. CHORUS Keep a-moving' Dan, don't you listen to him, Dan He's a devil, not a man, and he spreads the burning sand With water. Dan, can you see that big green tree Where the water's running free and its waiting there for you And me. The nights are cool and I'm a fool Each star's a pool of water Cool water. But with the dawn I'll wake and yawn And carry on to water Cool, clear water. CHORUS The shadows sway and seem to say Tonight we'll pray for water Cool water. And way up there he'll hear our prayer And show us where there's water Cool, clear water. CHORUS |
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07 Apr 08 - 09:10 AM (#2309010) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: GUEST,Black Hawk on works PC Another (but incomplete - memory fade) verse :- Dans Feet are sore he's yearning for ???????? Cool Water Like me I guess he'd like to rest where theres no quest For Water Cool Clear Water chorus |
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07 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM (#2309038) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band Blackhawk`s ommission;- Dan`s feet are sore and he`s yearning for just one thing more than water. Coooooool water. |
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07 Apr 08 - 10:00 AM (#2309042) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: GUEST,Black Hawk on works PC Thanks John - thats the bit .... |
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07 Apr 08 - 10:23 AM (#2309064) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Mr Happy Here's Marty Robbins with the short version: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAQwMNXlic |
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14 Jul 08 - 10:44 PM (#2389238) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Warsaw Ed Just WHO is the Dan referred to in the lyrics? Any clue? |
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14 Jul 08 - 11:12 PM (#2389245) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Ron Davies Dan is of course just a generic horse, in all probability--a very common name for a cowboy's horse. But one of the most famous horses of the turn of the 20th century was Dan Patch--is there a link there--who knows? By the way, thanks, Mr. Happy, for that link to Marty Robbins singing. He really was wonderful--one of the alltime best in C & W-- and it's such a joy to see and hear him singing some of the songs they have on YouTube. |
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15 Jul 08 - 02:13 AM (#2389307) Subject: ADD Version: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: Joe Offer OK, so here's the whole thing, with everything consolidated. One Sons of the Pioneers recording leaves out the last (feet are sore) verse. COOL WATER (Bob Nolan, 1936) All day I've faced a barren waste Without the taste of water, Cool water. Old Dan and I with throats burnt dry And souls that cry for water, Cool, clear water. CHORUS Keep a-moving' Dan, don't you listen to him, Dan, He's a devil, not a man, and he spreads the burning sand With water. Dan, can you see that big green tree Where the water's running free and it's waiting there for me And you. The nights are cool and I'm a fool, Each star's a pool of water, Cool water. But with the dawn I'll wake and yawn And carry on to water, Cool, clear water. CHORUS The shadows sway and seem to say, Tonight we pray for water, Cool water. And way up there he'll hear our prayer And show us where there's water, Cool, clear water. CHORUS Dan's feet are sore, he's yearning for Just one thing more than water, Cool water. Like me I guess he'd like to rest Where there's no quest For water, Cool, clear water. (no chorus at the end) Transcribed from two recordings by the Sons of the Pioneers. Since Songwriter Bob Nolan was a member of the Sons of the Pioneers, I think I'm going to claim this as the definitive transcription - although I acknowledge that other artists had variations. One version has "Tonight we'll pray for water." The other doesn't have the final "Dan's feet are sore" verse. |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:36 AM (#2389338) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: cptsnapper I seem to recollect that I've heard a verse which was something like
The coyotes howl, the wind is cool: each star's a pool of water, cool clear water Or am I just imagining it? |
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15 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM (#2389930) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Joe Offer Hi, cptsnapper - My transcription is from a recording by the Sons of the Pioneers, and songwriter Bob Nolan was a member of that group. So, I think my transcription is accurate. That being said, I think your version works better than the second verse of the original, about waking and yawning with the dawn. -Joe- |
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15 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM (#2390145) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Seamus Kennedy I have the SoP singing all the verses. Also a radio interview with Roy Rogers (one of my yodeling heroes) talking about the early days when he was just Leonard Slye from Cincinnati singing with the Pioneer Trio - Bob Nolan, Tim Spencer being the other two. Bob Nolan was a poetic genius IMO, for his evocative imagery, especially of the Southwest. A little topic for discussion: In Cool Water we assume that Dan and his rider survive the desert. But did they die in the Jim Reeves song "The Blizzard/Mary Ann's"? "Get up Dan, you ornery cuss, or you'll be the death of us, It's just 100 yards to Mary Ann's." Same Dan, same rider? Seamus |
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16 Jul 08 - 02:23 AM (#2390367) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: cptsnapper I've been racking my brains as to where I might have heard the verse that I mentioned & it may have been the B side of Walk Right In by the Rooftop Singers but I don't have a copy so I can't verify that as being the case. And of course it might just be that I'm suffering from brain fade! |
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16 Jul 08 - 06:32 AM (#2390444) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Mr Happy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Nolan |
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16 Jul 08 - 07:43 AM (#2390475) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Mr Happy Joe O, Just checked out the chorus of the version you posted. Yours has 'Dan, can you see that big green tree Where the water's running free and it's waiting there for me And you.' It should be 'and it's waiting there for you and me' |
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19 May 09 - 01:50 AM (#2635417) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Seamus Kennedy Actually, Mr. Happy, Joe is correct. I have the same recording of Bob Nolan (the author) singing Cool Water, and they definitely sing: Where the water's running free And it's waiting there for me and you.' I presume Bob Nolan wrote it hat way for the syllabic scansion of tree, free and me, although IMO 'you and me' sings better. Seamus |
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19 May 09 - 03:08 AM (#2635430) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Bob Nolan From: Genie My recordings of the song correspond to what Joe Offer posted also. cptsnapper, I'm having trouble 'hearing' how your verse would scan This part would fit the pattern of the verses: "The coyotes howl, the wind is cool, each star's a pool of water, cool clear water." (Though it lacks the internal-rhyme precision of Nolan's other lyrics.) But this part doesn't seem to fit the pattern and rhyme scheme: "I gaze at the sky and way up high at night, My thoughts they wander to cool water." or "I gaze at the sky and way up high, at night my thoughts they wander to cool water." Seamus, I always forget whether it's actually "for me and you" or "for you and me" at the end of the chorus, but it seems more natural to sing: Dan, can't you see That big green tree Where the water's running free And it's waiting there for me And you. I guess that's what you meant by the "syllabic scansion" reference. I think it "sings better" for that reason too. (But I doubt that the audience cares one way or the other.) G |
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19 May 09 - 03:18 AM (#2635433) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Seamus Kennedy Genie - I prefer 'you and me' because I like the rhyme to be at the end of the line and not in the middle. But that was the genius of Bob Nolan. Without the music, his songs stand alone as well-crafted poems. Seamus |
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20 May 09 - 01:58 AM (#2636288) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Peace I put more dimes in the juke box listening to this and El Paso. Hell, I could be a hundredaire now. |
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20 May 09 - 02:19 AM (#2636292) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Seamus Kennedy Bruce - your taste is impeccable! Seamus |
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20 May 09 - 02:50 AM (#2636303) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: cptsnapper Genie unfortunately I made a slight mistake in my original posting of the lyric as I remembered it: I now think that it was as follows.
The coyotes howl, the wind is cool: each star's a pool of water, cool clear water." It was definitely recorded by the Rooftop Singers but I've lost my copy so I can't verify the above. |
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20 May 09 - 02:52 AM (#2636307) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Cool Water: Missing verse From: Joe Offer Hi, Mr. Happy. I think I've heard it both ways, but both Sons of the Pioneers recordings have:
And you. Since Bob Nolan was a member of the Sons of the Pioneers, I'll stick with their version. The Riders in the Sky trio recording has "you and me." "You and me" is what you would expect, but it you study the metrical pattern, I think you'll find that Nolan's "me first" rhyme fits perfectly but subtly. Bob Nolan was one heck of a good songwriter. -Joe- |
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08 Jun 09 - 07:20 PM (#2651752) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: GUEST,Elizabeth McDonald/Calin Coburn Any and all questions concerning Bob Nolan and his music can be seen at the most comphrehsive site in the world to date. www.bobnolan-sop.net |
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08 Jun 09 - 11:32 PM (#2651918) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: GUEST,DonMeixner I have a recording of the 1934 recordings of The Sons of the Pioneers. Cool Water is on this record as is Tumblin' Tumbleweeds. The harmoies are so tight and the recording was done in one take each time and the best take was chosen for the pressing. No Auto Tune for this Boy Band. If Roy Roger, Bob Nolan, and Tim Spencer were the vocal heart of the band, Hugh and KLarl Farr were the musical heart. The Farr brothers on guitar and fiddle sound as good as Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli. Under appreciated because it was just cowboy music. Listen close and this is some hot swing. Don |
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09 Jun 09 - 09:12 AM (#2652157) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: Seamus Kennedy Don, you are absolutely correct, sir! Joe Venuti and Eddy Lang, Django and Stephane, and Hugh and Karl Farr - the three top fiddle/guitar combos in my opinion. No particular order. But when you get 3-part yodeling harmony as well...it's enough to make your sphincter tingle... Seamus |
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09 Jun 09 - 03:45 PM (#2652464) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego I grew up in a western ranching area in California. Tumbleweeds were common to see; the wind rolling them along the ground and causing their seeds to disperse. I had always loved the sound of The Sons of the Pioneers, most particularly I loved the two songs mentioned in this thread. Imagine my chagrin at learning that the actual common name for the tumbleweed is Russian Thistle, a weed which likely hitched a ride in an early shipment of flax seed to South Dakota in the 1880's. I doubt you would have found tumbleweeds anywhere in the west prior to that time. It quickly became so widespread people thought it had been here forever. To heck with it; I still like the song. |
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19 Aug 09 - 01:45 PM (#2703906) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: Genie I'm wondering when the last verse ("Dan's feet are sore ... ") was added. Presumably that verse is also by Bob Nolan, but I DK if it was part of the original song and just left off of the original Sons Of Pioneers recording. The song was written by Nolan 5 years before the 1941 SOP recording, and it was recorded by Dude Martin that year (1936). Also, Wikipedia and other sites currently describe Dan as a "mule." I've always assumed he was a horse - probably because so many horses were named "Dan" -- but do we really know what sort of animal Nolan conceived him to be? Cptsnapper, Apparently Joni Mitchell (and maybe others who covered this song) rewrote some of the lyrics. I wonder if those alternative lyrics you remember were the work of Joni or another artist who modified Nolan's original ones. FWIW, here is a partial list of recordings of "Cool Water: Dude Martin - 1936 The Sons Of The Pioneers - 1941 Bob Nolan & The Sons of the Pioneers (feat. in the film "Along The Navajo Trail") - 1945 Jimmy Wakely & The Riders Of The Purple Sage (featured in the film "Saddle Serenade") - 1945 Bob Nolan & The Sons of the Pioneers (featured in the film "Ding Dong Williams") - 1946 Wesley Tuttle - 1947 Vaughan Monroe & The Sons Of The Pioneers - 1948 Nellie Lutcher - 1948 Jimmy Wakely (feat. in the film "Brand Of Fear") - 1949 Gene Autry - 1950 Billy May & His Orch. (vocal: Bob Morse) - 1953 Polly Bergen - 1958 Kate Smith - 1958 George Melachrino & His Orch. (Instr.) - 1958 Johnnie Ray - 1959 Marty Robbins - 1959 Jack Scott - 1960 The Browns - 1960 Frankie Laine - 1961 Eddy Arnold - 1961 Ramblin' Jack Elliott - 1962 Lorne Greene - 1962 Tex Ritter with Stan Kenton & His Orch. - 1962 Odetta - 1963 Slim Whitman - 1963 Patti LaBelle & The Bluebelles - 1963 Hank Snow - 1965 Tom Jones - 1967 Moe Bandy - 1982 Riders In The Sky - 1989 Michael Martin Murphy - 1995 Also recorded by: Roy Rogers Johnny Bond Walter Brennan Bill Black's Combo Bing Crosby & The Andrews Sisters Eddie Dean Fleetwood Mac Tennessee Ernie Ford Frank Ifield Burl Ives Sleepy LaBeef Norman Luboff Choir Jack MarshallR Rex Allen Mills Brothers Rooftop Singers Cliffie Stone Hank Williams Kate Smith Mason Williams Boston Pops Orch. I think Tex Ritter's recording is the one that stands out in my mind (in addition to the Sons Of The Pioneers). |
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19 Aug 09 - 02:35 PM (#2703953) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: Q (Frank Staplin) "Cool Water," Bob Nolan, was recorded August 8, 1945, on DSVB1110 (Victor 20-1724). It does include the verse with "Dan'd feet are sore,..." The film may have left out the verse (too long ago to recall). Personnel of Sons of the Pioneer- Bob Nolan, Tim Spencer, Ken Carson(v), Hugh Farr(v, vin), R. McCall(vin), C. Roberts(sg), Perry Botkin(g, ldr), Karl Farr(g), Shug Fisher, G. Braunsdorf (b). Cool Water- Bob Nolan(v), Leonard Slye (Roy Rogers)(v, g), Lloyd Perryman(v, b), Hugh Farr(vin), Karl Farr(g). ldr-leader; b- bass, d- drums, g- guitar, v- vocal, vin- violin, sg- steel guitar. |
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19 Aug 09 - 03:41 PM (#2704003) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: Q (Frank Staplin) This (1945) is a later recording. Sorry, Genie. I don't have the 1941 recording. BMI Work # 243956 Written in 1936. As Genie says, the Dude Martin recording omitted the last verse; I don't know when it first appeared in a recording or film. "The Mysterious Avenger" of 1936 featured the Sons of the Pioneers, including both Bob Nolan and Leonard Slye (Roy Rogers), but I don't know the songs in that film. |
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20 Aug 09 - 04:05 AM (#2704440) Subject: RE: Origins/Add Verses: Cool Water (Bob Nolan) From: Mr Happy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac |