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11 Apr 08 - 04:45 PM (#2313251) Subject: Transylvanian violin music. From: Georgiansilver Whilst on one of my many trips to Romania I was in Transylvania when I heard some street musicians playing at an impromptu get together. I have hunted for similar but the nearest I can get to the sound is the Palatka Band from Hungary. The quality is not good but the sound is similar. Just thought it would be nice to share. Similar to Transylvanian Gypsy street music. |
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11 Apr 08 - 06:35 PM (#2313325) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Giant Folk Eyeball (inactive) Lovely stuff. Thank you for posting it. |
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11 Apr 08 - 07:38 PM (#2313365) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Gerry I think there are quite a few bands that have recorded that particular piece and/or others equally enjoyable. Some with which I'm familiar are the Australian band, The Transylvaniacs, and the Hungarian bands Muzsikas, Tukros, and Galga. |
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11 Apr 08 - 08:49 PM (#2313394) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: RTim One of my favuorites is (UK Folk Singer) Pete Castle's daughter - Lucy Castle, who plays with Maramures musician - Ion Pop, and for a while they had a band called - Popiluc. Are they still inexistence? For Lucy see - http://www.infoarte.ro/noutati/Lucy-Castle-Hotea-1080-1.html - I'm sorry if it is in Romanian - but if you are interested, you'll be able to understand? Tim Radford |
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12 Apr 08 - 01:05 AM (#2313465) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: The Fooles Troupe Georgiansilver I vould like to zay - "Fangs for dat site!" |
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12 Apr 08 - 05:29 AM (#2313526) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Blandiver And my favourites from Gyimes (Gee-Mesh): Zerkula Janos and Aunt Gizi - Fiddle & Gardon March 2007? Now that's what I call folk music! |
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12 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM (#2313601) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,redsnapper Thank you for posing this. I have heard that piece before, perhaps by Mikael Sikos. I sounds very much like it is from the Jewish tradition and the Maramaros region. RS |
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12 Apr 08 - 10:17 AM (#2313659) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Jim Martin Don't forget these: MySpace_com - taraf de haidouks - Clejani - Folk - www_myspace_com-tarafdehaidouksbandofgypsies |
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12 Apr 08 - 10:37 AM (#2313666) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Jim Martin Sorry, that didn't seem to work. Anyway, check out Tarif de Haidouks on various websites, they're well worth listening to! |
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12 Apr 08 - 10:50 AM (#2313672) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Sedayne (Astray) Nearby... Csango Music from Moldavia |
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12 Apr 08 - 11:07 AM (#2313678) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley Florin Niculescu from Romania....Roma virtuoso.. a stunning player. Saw him once with Birelli Lagrene. At one point the rest of the band left him alone on the stage for at least 10 minutes..so that he could really stretch out...which he did, and then some. There's also a fine docu-film called "Latcho Drom"...that features Romani music from Rajesthan to Spain... with Turkey, the Balkans, Italy, and France thrown in.... really well done Te avalo baxtalo... baxt hai sustimos... nais tuke |
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12 Apr 08 - 11:26 AM (#2313691) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley ps. the director of 'Latcho Drom' is Tony Gatlif from France.. He has also made several other films about the Roma culture and their music, including 'Gadjo Dilo', 'Translyvania', 'Swing'... very down-to-earth and well made.... |
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12 Apr 08 - 02:15 PM (#2313786) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: open mike have you seen Latcho Drom? a wonderful movie.. one very unusual musical sound is made by tying a bowstring to the fiddle and running it through the fingers..a very spooky sound. the name of the movie means Safe Journey http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107376/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQn6Qb-9mD8 Here is another band, from Hungary the band Parno Grazst, or "white horse." http://www.parnograszt.hu/ http://www.myspace.com/parnograszt I learned about them on the documnetary http://www.linktv.org/programs/parno another film on that same t.v. channel is http://www.linktv.org/programs/beyond Beyond the Forest is taken from the original name for the area of Transylvania or Ultrasylvania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_names_of_Transylvania http://www.beyondtheforest.com/ it chronicles the revival of traditional music,a vibrant folk renaissance, called the Tanchaz (dance house) movement and the Hungarian band Muzikas: http://www.muzsikas.hu/index2.htm |
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13 Apr 08 - 09:56 AM (#2314216) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley Drom is Romanes for 'road'.... I adapted a poem a few years ago called "O Drom si Baro" / The Road is Long... (Baro can also mean great or large) taken from a book written by Ronald Lee in the early '70's called 'Goddamn Gypsy'. He's a Canadian Rom living in Ontario, longtime activist, advocate and educator. I've learned much from him and have acompanied him in a few shows of Trad. Romani music. He has a small band called 'Y Zhvindhi Yag'..The Living Fire.. |
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13 Apr 08 - 10:42 AM (#2314235) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley ps. if you check out Tony Gatlif (semi-official) myspace page, you'll find a lot of clips including the violinist mentioned above, drawing a horse-hair across the strings. Also lots of links to various Roma bands and styles.... a treasure-trove for those interested... |
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13 Apr 08 - 10:50 AM (#2314237) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Derby Ram Sylvia here. My only experience is hearing Lucy Castle play Transylvanian style fiddle. Absolutely amazing! |
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13 Apr 08 - 11:14 AM (#2314247) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: open mike official site--- http://www.myspace.com/gatlif un-official site----http://www.myspace.com/tonygatlif |
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13 Apr 08 - 11:24 AM (#2314258) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: open mike the fourth movie down on the un-officla page... shows the horse-hair string technique is illustrated.. he is singing about Chouceskou....(sp?) who was focussed on trying to wipe out the Roma culture and traditions and village life . The gov't bull dozed entire villages and forced people to live in apartments... Tony Gatlif (born as Michel Dahmani on September 10, 1948 in Algiers, Algeria) is a French film director who also works as a scriptwriter, actor, and producer. After a childhood in Algiers, Gatlif arrived in France in 1960 following the Algerian War of Independence. Gatlif struggled for years to break into the film industry, playing in several theatrical productions until directing his first film, La Tête en ruine, in 1975. He followed it with the 1979 La Terre au ventre, a story of the Algerian War of Independence. Since the 1981 Corre, gitano, Gatlif's work has been focused on the Roma people of Europe, from whom he partially traces his descent. His 2004 film Exils, won the Best Director Award at the (2004) Cannes Film Festival. His film Transylvania also premiered at Cannes in May 2006. Tony Gatlif's Filmography La Tête en ruine (1975) La Terre au ventre (1978) Corre gitano (1981) Canta gitano (1981) Les Princes (1982) Rue du départ (1985) Pleure pas my love (1989) Gaspard et Robinson (1990) Latcho Drom (1992) Mondo (1995) Gadjo Dilo (1997) Je suis né d'une cigogne (1998) Vengo (2000) Swing (2001) Exils (2004) Transylvania (2006) |
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13 Apr 08 - 11:48 AM (#2314272) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Georgiansilver I am amazed by all the interest and input to this thread. Thank you all for the knowledge. Best wishes, Mike. |
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13 Apr 08 - 12:12 PM (#2314300) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley thanx Open Mike for the rest of the info. This is something close to my heart and partial Roma heritage. I would also recommend a book called "Bury Me Standing" by Isabel Fonseca (1996) which is a well written chronicle/history of the European Roma esp. since the fall of the Soviet Union. Not a pretty picture but a testament to the continuing survival and struggle of a rich culture. Also a National Film Board docu-production (Canada) called 'Opre Roma' which features some gifted refugees as well as Ronald Lee, Los Canesteros, Julia Lovell, and more.... all folks who I'm honoured to call friends... |
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13 Apr 08 - 02:46 PM (#2314422) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Nerd Your best bets for the band Muzsikas are their CDs "Blues for Transylvania" and "Maramoros: The Lost Jewish Music of Transylvania." Both were released on Hannibal records, and though it looks like they're out of print, you might be able to pick up used copies. |
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13 Apr 08 - 02:51 PM (#2314428) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Thompson Taraf de Haidouks have a bunch of stuff on YouTube. Brilliant band. |
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16 Apr 08 - 09:02 PM (#2317845) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Tambalagiu Georgiansilver: The Palatka Band is not actually from Hungary, although their CDs are produced there. As the name suggests they are from the village of Palatca in Transylvania. The music from that village is very popular with folk music revivalists in Hungary so they perform in Budapest a lot, making the 9 hour bus ride from Romania every time. When you say they are only 'as close as you could find' to the music you heard in Transylvania, what difference do you refer to? There are many other great musicians in that region and I may be able to point you towards where to find some. There might be some good info here to start with: Fono |
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17 Apr 08 - 04:36 AM (#2318032) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,PMB It's over a dozen years ago that I was in the centre of Derby one lunchtime, and found Ioan Pop busking in the Market Place, playing the most weird and wonderful music on a horn fiddle. I bought the tape off him there and then. I later did a workshop at a festival with Lucy Castle, but sadly couldn't make much of it. |
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17 Apr 08 - 06:38 AM (#2318091) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Georgiansilver Guest Tambalagui.....I refer to the actual street musicians in Transylvania..who meet impromptu in the middle of the village...one or two start playing and soon there may be 10 to 20 having a session. The sound is actually far more deep reaching than the so called 'professional stuff'. It hits me in the belly every time. Best wishes, Mike. |
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17 Apr 08 - 06:43 AM (#2318095) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Zen Really hoping to make it over to the Maramaros in September (the wedding season) for some great music! Zen |
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17 Apr 08 - 10:09 AM (#2318243) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: M.Ted I have nothing to add, but I really appreciate all the links. I've spend the last little while listening to all the videos, and to the additional ones that come up, and it's turned the morning around completely. My band used to play a bunch of this stuff years back, and and it great to hear it again, and especially, to see young people dancing to it-- |
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17 Apr 08 - 10:14 AM (#2318248) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley well, the Roma are masters of spontaneity.... short semi-related story: Django was playing a song solo during a party somewhere in France. Carlos Montoya was there as well. After Django finished, Carlos approaced him saying "That was a wonderful piece. What's it called and where can I get the music for it ?" Django took a drag from his cigarette, smiled and said.. "I don't know, I just made it up" |
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17 Apr 08 - 10:39 AM (#2318273) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: open mike i have heard that the tarif/haiduks band is often composed of random members by the tour manager....not always the actual band members, but with others added when they arrange a tour. |
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17 Apr 08 - 12:08 PM (#2318352) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin You can learn Csango music in Transylvania and Moldavia. I'm hoping to get to one or both of these in the summer: http://www.gyimesitabor.nextra.ro/actual.html (Gyimes) http://www.gyepuk.hu/index.php/gyepuk/taboraink/kuelsorekecsini_faluhet (Moldavia) My interest is mainly in the kaval (I got fired up after buying one from Gyorgy Ban along with a CD of Andras Hodorog playing it) and to a lesser extent the koboz and dob, but there are violin classes too. Anybody else from here likely to go? |
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17 Apr 08 - 02:41 PM (#2318503) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Zen Hi Jack, Could be interested in this. Zen |
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17 Apr 08 - 03:20 PM (#2318544) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Bearheart great thread! Haven't had time to check out the links but I will. My (third) cousin gave me copies of a Tukros Cd last summer when we were visiting him in Budapest-they are friends of his. Also he took us to a great music store around the corner from the Folklore Institute and the young woman recommended a wonderful CD by Zurgo. |
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17 Apr 08 - 08:10 PM (#2318827) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Tambalagiu Jack Campin: There are many folk music 'camps' held in Transylvania over the summers, in many other places than Gyimes and Moldavia. The link "nyari taborok 2008-ban" on this page lists them (in Hungarian only at present, they usually post an english version eventually). Open mike: what you heard about the 'taraf de haidouks' band is absolutely correct. The core of the group were originally the local musicians from the village of Clejani. Nowadays they bulk out the lineup with musicians from Bucharest (not far away, and a much bigger pool to draw from). Although I think it's funny they keep pushing the 'Authentic Village Musicians' angle in their promotion, in many ways what they're doing does not go against the tradition, as there has always been a strong musical interplay between Bucharest and it's satellite villages, and in any case the idea of a fixed 'band' with always exactly the same members does not have a great deal of currency among lautari. |
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18 Apr 08 - 07:07 AM (#2319129) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Mr Happy Transylvanian Trumpet Fiddle here:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i7qOVsbpANw |
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18 Apr 08 - 07:44 AM (#2319152) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Blandiver Beautiful! A singing fiddler too. |
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18 Apr 08 - 10:55 AM (#2319302) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin Tambalagiu: I heard about those events via the list at http://www.tanchaz.hu , which has lots of such camps, but the 2008 one isn't out yet. The two I mentioned were the ones I was thinking of going to. There is a lot more about Csango culture, music included, in the National Geographic for June 2005 and the accompanying material on their website. |
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19 Apr 08 - 12:15 AM (#2319819) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Tambalagiu Jack, that's what I said. The link I provided was to www.tanchaz.hu. But the 2008 list IS there, only in Hungarian. Still, it isn't too hard to work out. That video of the fiddler at Negreni also features some nice obscene lyrics, for which he is told off by an old lady about halfway through... |
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19 Apr 08 - 11:48 AM (#2320055) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: bankley someone else that's worth checking out is Yuri Yunakov.... saxophonist who plays 'Bulgarian Wedding Music' friggin' wild |
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19 Apr 08 - 01:34 PM (#2320128) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: open mike for anyone else who wonders what's a Kaval or a koboz another Kaboz or a Dob (drum) ? |
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19 Apr 08 - 08:52 PM (#2320425) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin Wrong kind of kaval - I meant the Moldavian one - do a YouTube search under "Moldvai kaval", or follow some of the Csango music links given here. It has five fingerholes, has a rather odd scale which is partly done by tabor-pipe-like harmonics, and is usually played by humming into it at the same time. The Bulgarian one (the sort you found) and the Turkish one are different, and different from each other. |
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09 May 08 - 05:44 PM (#2336806) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin Marion and I have now booked to go on two successive one-week courses on Csango music and dance in Romania this summer. The organizers (in Hungary) make it very easy - you just get to Budapest and they bus you to Moldavia, then to Gyimes in Transylvania, then back to Budapest. The first is 20 July - 26 July, the second is 27 July - 3 August. URLs as I gave them above. Anybody else heading that way? Zen? |
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10 May 08 - 06:16 AM (#2337047) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Zen Hi Jack... still interested although money's a little tight. I'll look into it and let you know. Zen |
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16 Feb 09 - 01:30 PM (#2568366) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin Just found another site listing Hungarian folk events, though it only goes up to July and is a bit thin for a couple of months before that: www.folkradio.eu/naptar.html. The blanks should be filled in later in the year. (Only in Hungarian but easy enough to figure out). I realize I didn't think to put a link my report of the folk camps in Romania into this thread. Here it is: www.campin.me.uk/Travel/Romania2008/. |
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16 Feb 09 - 01:44 PM (#2568385) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: wyrdolafr A couple of years ago I bought a CD called 'Transylvanian village music' by The Ökrös Ensemble for my partners mum and dad who are Hungarians who've been living in England since the late 1950s. I've nothing to compare it to really, but they seemed to like it. |
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16 Feb 09 - 05:40 PM (#2568614) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Stringsinger Thanks. That was very interesting. The fiddler who was able to hold the instrument conventionally then on it's side was very revealing. Stringsinger |
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16 Feb 09 - 06:11 PM (#2568639) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin Or the player doubling on a different instrument? Not sure which video you mean, but the kontra is the instrument normally played on its side - it's a viola with a flattish bridge, used for rhythmic vamping. |
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01 May 09 - 10:42 AM (#2622621) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Pete Castle Someone sent me a link to this thread so I thought I'd say hello, and update you. Popeluc, after resting for 8 years, did a short reunion tour in 2005 which went very well. The following year we did one gig together and Lucy and Popicu appeared at a festival in Wales. After that, due to 'personal problems' we drew a line under it for ever. Lucy is not playing at all at the moment due to health problems. A great loss. I am still ploughing my lonely furrow as an itinerant folk singer and storyteller. I'm concentrating on English material again now but I learned an awful lot from playing the Transylvanian music and especially from visiting there. Thanks to all those above who mentioned enjoying our performances. For more info see my web site at http://www.petecastle.co.uk |
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01 May 09 - 05:37 PM (#2622852) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin The 2009 list of Hungarian folk music and dance camps is now on-line: www.tanchaz.hu/start_en.html |
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18 Feb 10 - 05:56 AM (#2842803) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Blandiver I've just found cassette of an album called Tunderkert by an all-star line-up of Hungarian musicians (including Marta Sebestyen) from 1988; a friend sent it me from Hungary & I never managed to track down the vinyl or CD. Amazing stuff really - always infuses me with a sense of impending spring! Well worth checking out. |
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18 Feb 10 - 08:43 AM (#2842972) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Jack Campin Passion Music (whose link you just gave) are a web-based Hungarian music distributor in then UK. I think. They go to extreme lengths to be physically untraceable, and don't respond to email (and you need to do a whois query even to find an email address). They may well be on the up and up, but I would never buy from anybody who operated that way. It's only a bit more expensive to pay postage from Hungary and buy from Etnofon (Sandor Balogh's outfit) in Budapest. |
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02 Apr 10 - 03:00 PM (#2878297) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin This thread came to the top somehow (spam that got deleted before I saw it?). Might be worth a mention that the list of folkcamps at folkradio.hu is now updated: Hungarian Folk Radio English language page Sadly, the Külsörekecsin one is still not back (cancelled last year due to a bereavement) and the Somoska one has been scaled down, so not much Moldavian stuff happening. But there is a citera festival, which might be interesting for the exotic-dulcimer types here. |
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02 Apr 10 - 03:26 PM (#2878315) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,leeneia Well, well. How nice it is to hear from people who, like me, enjoy this kind of music. Thanks for the links, everybody. However, somebody should make a video on how to make a video. |
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02 Apr 10 - 04:26 PM (#2878359) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin And I see the tanchaz.hu schedule of folk camps has also been updated (more detail than the folkradio.hu one but not such a nice layout): 2010 list, in Hungarian Given previous experience, the English version will be very late if it happens at all. Some of the camps (Gyimes in particular) are very good at handling queries in English. |
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05 Jul 11 - 10:04 AM (#3181783) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin This year's list of Hungarian music and dance workshops. http://www.folkradio.hu/nyari_tabor.php (in Hungarian) A lot of the events are in Romania. Romanian folk music and dance is closely related, and there seems to be a lot of it about, but I can find absolutely nothing like the Hungarian camps, where you can go to learn about it. Anybody know of anything? |
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17 Oct 11 - 06:50 PM (#3240496) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: GUEST,Donald The camps in Romania are run by Hungarians and teach the Hungarian folk music from Transylvania (you'll find Romanian and Gypsy music mixed in, but I've only met one gypsy participant and no Romanian participants at the camps. The teachers may be Romanian/Gypsy, though). The teaching in the advanced classes is by the village bands, and the beginning or intermediate classes are taught by professional players who tend to have a broader repertoire, and go from camp to camp to teach and play at the tanchaz at night. In the United States, there are two summer camps (Ti Ti Tabor and Csipke) that aren't listed on the folkradio page. You can pull up their websites with a quick google search. There are a few people with extensive experience in the US and Canada who can teach this music, but you'd have to ask around to find them - start with your local Hungarian society. Being from the US, I don't know much about the Australian and UK scenes. I know one player from the UK and a few from Germany. |
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17 Oct 11 - 10:26 PM (#3240586) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: ollaimh the band musikash do great hungarian music. |
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18 Oct 11 - 09:18 AM (#3240741) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Jack Campin Found a Romanian culture one, but it seems not to cater for musicians: Banatfolk |
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19 Apr 13 - 04:35 PM (#3505942) Subject: RE: Transylvanian violin music. From: Georgiansilver Some new stuff I found.... |