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13 Apr 08 - 12:55 PM (#2314328) Subject: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Ebbie I can't link this anywhere except to www.snopes.com so I'll post this email in its entirety. I received it today from my ex-husband's brother in a mass mailing. I did a 'Reply All' and wrote: 'This email's contents are FALSE. Check the Snopes link.' This kind of thing is infuriating but pervasive in certain circles. ****************************************************************** I have felt for sometime now that Obama is the one person that 'Frightens Me'. I believe the Bible has warned us that 'A man will come from the East that will be charismatic in nature and have proposed solutions for all our problems and his rhetoric will attract will many supporters!' When will our pathetic Nation quit turning their back on God and understand that this man is 'A Muslim'....First, Last and always....and we are AT WAR with the Muslim Nation, whether our bleeding-heart, secular, Liberal friends believe it or not. This man fits every description from the Bible of the 'Anti-Christ'! I'm just glad to know that there are others that are frightened by this man! Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it. snopes.com Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate(sic) to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.' Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and (?) that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Do you want someone like this as your PRESIDENT? Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own! Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!! |
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13 Apr 08 - 12:57 PM (#2314331) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Peace Well, I read "I believe the Bible has warned us that 'A man will come from the East that will be charismatic in nature and have proposed solutions for all our problems and his rhetoric will attract will many supporters!'" That convinced me it's all true (and Snopes be darned)! |
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13 Apr 08 - 01:02 PM (#2314336) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: pdq Anyone who has glib awswers and simple solutions to all the toughest problem is a con artist and a fraud. |
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13 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM (#2314366) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Ebbie You're talking about Bush, pdq? :) |
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13 Apr 08 - 02:22 PM (#2314394) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: artbrooks These have been around for a while, but my personal feeling is that anyone who would be likely to give them the least bit of credence wouldn't vote for him anyway - because he is one of those people. |
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13 Apr 08 - 02:23 PM (#2314396) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Peace Good observation, Art. |
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13 Apr 08 - 02:26 PM (#2314400) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: MarkS This is just a bunch of nonsense. People who would never vote for Obama anyway will take it seriously, and most people will shrug it off. Best thing to do is just hit delete when an email like this arrives. |
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13 Apr 08 - 02:34 PM (#2314406) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Ebbie That's what I have always done, MarkS but that's been quite awhile ago. I didn't know that it is still- after all this time - being circulated. |
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13 Apr 08 - 03:05 PM (#2314436) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Wolfgang It just has to be true. Don't you remember his fanatical personal black Mullah recently who publicly rejoiced about the 9/11 attack on the USA with his hand on the Koran in a mosque built with oil money from Chavez? Wolfgang |
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13 Apr 08 - 03:47 PM (#2314462) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: John on the Sunset Coast Hey, Artbrooks, what is "one of those people?" Is he one of those people who are too young? Is he one of those people who are too inexperienced? Is he one of those people who are on the left or even radical? Is he one of those people who are persons of color? Is he one of those people who aren't a woman? Is he one of those people who is too religious, or not enough? Is he one of those people whose ideas, and stated solutions are wrong? Which one of those people is he, Artbrooks? Artbrooks, you sound like a former classmate of mine who when I invited him to have lunch with me and another classmate, demmurred saying, "I wouldn't have lunch with_________. You know how he is. I didn't, and still don't. |
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13 Apr 08 - 03:59 PM (#2314467) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: RangerSteve The last time I checked, the world was still round, so where is "The East"? Hawaii is west of me, (New Jersey), but I can reach Hawaii by travelin east. So, mayby he is from the East. He's also from the midwest, so technically, only people in the western U.S. need to be wary of him. Hell, that prophecy has probably been used before, and will be used again. And, most likely it was made by a person living in Asia, probably around Israel, so it doesn't apply to us in the U.S. anyway. I have to learn to stop reading these political threads. I'm angry,. I'm gonna go punch the wall. |
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13 Apr 08 - 04:15 PM (#2314475) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Slag Yes, this is the type of thing that really muddies the waters of religion in general and theology in particular. Enough with the self-appointed prophets and exegetes. We DO need to know WHO Mr. Obama is, what his priorities are and where his loyalties lies. We need to know that from EVERY candidate who aspires to the highest office of this land. Enough of wild-eyed speculation. Reporter, ask the TOUGH questions and stop trying to help out your choice. America deserves a fair hearing from each candidate. Enough of the soft-ball interviews and puff pieces. Enough of the baiting. Enough of the hatchet-jobs. That crap may have worked in the past but we are an electorate which now pays much closer attention. We are better informed. We can handle the truth. We know that we are not trying to elect a saint or a demon. These people who would be President are human beings. I inhaled---several times---didn't you? And if you didn't, so what? I'd rather have a candidate who has been there and learned the hard lessons that experience teaches. We need a real person in office, not a figurehead, not a facade, not a prop-job. Give us the truth. We can handle it. Emails like the one presented have two immediate effects and one long termed effect, none of which are any good to this nation. The immediate effect is that it galvanizes the position of the uninformed and the less intelligent or the intellectually lazy. It become "all they need to know" about a particular candidate. On the other side it becomes a confirmation of the ignorance of those who don't support their candidate and stereotypes the opposition views. The biggest evil is that it continues to divide this country along increasingly radical party lines. Enough of this nonsense! This is NOT what elections should be about. Give us the truth. We can handle it. |
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13 Apr 08 - 04:24 PM (#2314479) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: akenaton Is it true? |
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13 Apr 08 - 05:14 PM (#2314499) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: katlaughing Wolfgang, thanks for the laugh! John on the Sunset Coast, I think you will find that Art had his tongue firmly in his cheek when he posted that...speaking for one of the idjits who might actually put credence in such idiotic email. |
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13 Apr 08 - 05:14 PM (#2314500) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,lox "These have been around for a while, but my personal feeling is that anyone who would be likely to give them the least bit of credence wouldn't vote for him anyway - because he is one of those people." John of the sunset coast, I think the meaning of the above post is extremely obvious and your rsponse to it shows that you have completely missed the point and need to read it again. The e.mail in question is poison and is of course such thinly veiled racism as to beg the question, why bother veiling it? |
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13 Apr 08 - 06:05 PM (#2314530) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: John on the Sunset Coast Point well taken kat, lox, etal. After I sent the post, I realized I had not responded exactly to artbrooks (who, Ive been told in a pm, is a great guy, and I respect that source) in the way I meant to. So I did misapprehend, and for that and any pain the post caused, I do apologize. Had I not reacted in haste, I should have pointed out that one doesn't necessarily have to be 'one of those people' to react negatively to subjective (as opposed to unfactual) aspects of Obama's campaign. Myself, there is only one reason to not vote for Sen. O. It starts with D. |
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13 Apr 08 - 08:03 PM (#2314622) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: artbrooks A great guy? Aw blush I guess the point I was attempting to make is that this kind of e-mail is intended to stir up the prejudices of people who are already prejudiced, and I was specifically thinking of prejudice against Black Americans. I suppose that it is unfair to assume that the same tiny minds that would have a knee-jerk reaction against someone because of his skin color would have a similar reaction because of allegations that he belongs to a religion that many people have been conditioned to hate over the past six and a half years. |
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13 Apr 08 - 08:23 PM (#2314643) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: M.Ted The impact of this sort of thing is doubtful, Ebbie. People who respond to this sort of often set off to vote, and are found hours later, under the porch, after having been frightened by shiny objects, or even balls of string. |
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13 Apr 08 - 09:56 PM (#2314718) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Ebbie The problem, M. Ted, is that I know "those" people. Thanks be that some of them don't vote, but others of them do. Not only do they vote but they circulate this kind of thing and appear to like nothing better than to foment incoherent passions. I think you are right, though. They are fearful. |
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13 Apr 08 - 10:04 PM (#2314720) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor George W. Bush was born in Connecticut, that is east of pretty much everyone but Kendell and Bush has all the answers, which are, Holy war and tax cuts for the rich. His anti-disciple John the Battleist is offering those same answers. |
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14 Apr 08 - 07:40 AM (#2314995) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: kendall I'm too lazy to look it up, but that statement about the anti Christ coming from the East..that sounds more like Nostradamas than revelation. |
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14 Apr 08 - 07:51 AM (#2315004) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Greg F. One Word: Swiftboat. Of COURSE the Republican propaganda machine COULDN'T have ANYTHING to do with spreading lies...... |
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14 Apr 08 - 10:17 AM (#2315113) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Amos Greg: If you are right you are pointing at a shameful investment in ignorance, aren't you -- promoting and promulgating the worst aspects of an ill-informed electorate, to feed the search for power. Almost a form of treason, actually!! A |
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14 Apr 08 - 01:20 PM (#2315279) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: John on the Sunset Coast Of course it's the right. Here it's always the right...it' never the immediate opponent who spreads calumnies. |
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14 Apr 08 - 01:37 PM (#2315302) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Donuel This is the 3rd thread on the propoganda war against Obama. One would think that the real fear is the rising price of food and fuel and the falling value of your home and dollar... but that was Clinton's fault right? |
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14 Apr 08 - 01:38 PM (#2315307) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,lox No that was my doing. sorry. |
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14 Apr 08 - 02:40 PM (#2315395) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor >>One would think that the real fear is the rising price of food and fuel and the falling value of your home and dollar.<< Donuel, Please stop being condescending and elitist. We Obama supporters are perfectly capable crapping on Bush as well as defending Obama. ;-) |
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14 Apr 08 - 05:33 PM (#2315581) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Donuel lox, you gotta lotta splaining ta do! Ok ok I know where you stand Jack Maybe the best thing to do is the old reverse double reverse propoganda trick and make some lies about candidates that will stick to the wall like Spaw's underwear... "obama admits to the probability of being mired down in Iraq and Iran until God damns America." "McCain is heard to privately say that armed evangelicals are the key to restoring American small town values." "Hillary says she was jealous when Bill didn't even suggest a three way" |
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14 Apr 08 - 05:45 PM (#2315591) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Donuel When (your candidate) was asked if he/she would have stopped the events of 9-11 if he/she could, (your candidate) said that he/she certainly would have. That means that he/she could have stopped the tradgedy and didn't !!! (your rotten candidate) let 9-11 happen! _______________________________________________ The candidate the US needs the most to be President is the one that people do not realize they need the most. ________________________________________________ Answer Yes or No only, Have you stopped fucking your spouse. |
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14 Apr 08 - 05:48 PM (#2315600) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor "obama admits to the probability of being mired down in Iraq and Iran until God damns America." READ ABOUT IT IN OBAMA'S NEW BOOK ENTITLED "THE WRIGHT STUFF." subtitle- WRIGHT WAS RIGHT BUT I CAN'T SAY SO WHEN CAMPAIGNING. "McCain is heard to privately say that armed evangelicals are the key to restoring American small town values." OWN IT NOW ON DVD! "THE BLACKWATER SOLUTION" SALVATION ON $1,500 PER DAY. "Hillary says she was jealous when Bill didn't even suggest a three way" I DO RESPECT BILL FOR ONLY DOING IT WITH WOMWN UGLIER THAN HER. |
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14 Apr 08 - 07:05 PM (#2315667) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Amos You know, on reflection, this sort of thing is not meant to impress anyone, it is meant to promote fear and blind reaction in order to control -- the worst sort of suppression of individual freedom. I wonder why the right wing hates freedom so? A |
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15 Apr 08 - 01:04 AM (#2315857) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Donuel OK Amos are you done answering your own questions alright now back to circulating lies like a raw egg in my Buick's radiator. (Its bound to get stuck in some pin hole or another. Obama REFUSED to eat Watermellon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hillary had a Bagel and watermellon for lunch. And Mc Cain had bread alone. |
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15 Apr 08 - 10:31 AM (#2316197) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,lox Donuel, I didn't mean for it all to go so wrong ... It just kind of crept up on me .... I was playing God at a game of poker and I was on a run ... I won every hand and he ran out of money ... anyway ... he gambled his supreme power over creation against my good looks ... ... anyway, I won ... despite the obvious disadvantage ... and I couldn't resist ... I started tinkering with the fundamentals that underpin the fabric of society ... ... and ... well ... I just keep digging myself in deeper ... |
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15 Apr 08 - 11:07 AM (#2316225) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Amos That's what you get for playing God, man. A |
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15 Apr 08 - 11:28 AM (#2316244) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Alice Obama's web site has a section that addresses all these emailed lies. They've circulated for quite awhile. It is under 'getting smear emails' on his site. http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/factcheckactioncenter/ |
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15 Apr 08 - 01:21 PM (#2316377) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: Wesley S I've noticed that when I get one of these that usually it's been forwarded several times. Which gives me an opportunity to "reply to all" to several hundred people with a snopes link which points out the truth to those who want to read it. I usually include the words "URBAN LEGEND" in the title. |
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15 Apr 08 - 04:33 PM (#2316598) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor John Stewart sums it up nicely Sorry Canadians if you cannot access this. |
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15 Apr 08 - 04:44 PM (#2316607) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: pdq John Stewart was a member of the Kingston Trio and one of Mudcatter's most beloved musicians. Jon S. Leibowitz is a talk show host and minor movie actor. He currently uses the name Jon Stewart. Note spelling. This moment of disambiguation is brought to you at no personal expense. |
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15 Apr 08 - 05:52 PM (#2316688) Subject: RE: BS: Scurrilous But Circulating Lies re Obama From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Than you PDQ, I deeply regret my choice of word. I did not mean to offend. But it would be naive of me to think that after that elitist use of the word "John" I could ever become President. |