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17 Apr 08 - 04:14 AM (#2318029) Subject: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: mandotim At least I think it was the Express this morning. A number of police forces have collaborated on a solid piece of research to establish whether there is any truth that increases in crime figures are caused by immigration from Eastern Europe. The conclusion was quite clear, based on sound statistical evidence (I'm an academic, and I've seen the study) that there is no evidence that immigrant communities are any more or less involved in crime than the indigenous population. There was one dissenting voice; one Chief Constable, based on opinion and 'feelings' said that they 'thought there was a problem'. The headline in the newspaper? Two inch headlines that proclaim 'IMMIGRANTS BRING MORE CRIME'. Anybody still believe what they read in the papers? Tim |
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17 Apr 08 - 04:45 AM (#2318038) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: GUEST,PMB That's why they call it the Deadly Excess. It's lost what little foaming credibility it had since it was bought by the pornographer Richard Desmond, and it was weaned off its recent obsession with Maddy McCann by being forced to pay a vast sum to avoid being skinned alive for libel; they simply made the stories up. Desmond is no ideologue; he prints what he thinks will sell, and he thinks that wog- bashing will sell his rag. His instincts may well be false- the Excess has lost an eighth of its readershit in the last two years. |
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17 Apr 08 - 05:15 AM (#2318057) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: ard mhacha There are thousands of migrants here in the north of Ireland, if their crime rate was as high as the locals we would need to migrate to, Baghdad. |
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17 Apr 08 - 06:28 AM (#2318086) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Emma B The ten things most likely to be on The Daily Express front page sad but true :) |
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17 Apr 08 - 07:38 AM (#2318120) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Emma B I apologize for the 'cut and paste' but, this paper delivered at the INCORE Race & Media conference University of Ulster, 3 October 2007 'Portrayal and participation of minorities in the media' by Mike Jempson Director, The MediaWise Trust Visiting Professor in Media Ethics, Lincoln University Senior Lecturer, University of the West of England sums up the very real menace of papers like The Express and the Mail 'Sensational stories may sell newspapers yet they have also managed to conflate issues the seeking of refuge from war and persecution, with economic migration and international terrorism. In the popular imagination Britain is now crawling with illegal immigrants falsely claiming to be persecuted minorities; and in their midst are criminal elements and people secretly conspiring to put everyone's life or way of life at risk. Inaccurate coverage breaches the human rights of asylum-seekers and refugees, poisons public discourse, encourages xenophobia, racism and inappropriate political responses. Yet when we went public about the errors in the 'Plot to kill Blair' story, and got the police to denounce it as 'rubbish', the Daily Express solicitors accused us of 'publicity seeking'. They also threatened another newspaper with legal action if they published details of another of our exposés of an erroneous story of a Slovakian Roma family. There have been thousands of headlines like these – and many appeared in the Daily Express, acquired by a porn baron who discovered that its flagging sales improved when it ran anti-asylum headlines. Its own journalists – led by Michele Stanistreet, now president of the NUJ – took the paper to the PCC complaining that their copy was being skewed merely to make for such headlines. The regulator refused to take up the issue – not least because complaints have to be made by individuals directly affected by a story – and since few asylum seekers are named and fewer still complain, there is nothing they can do.' I have seen some of these scare (some of the best known stories have turned out to be just plain wrong) headlines repeated here such as the infamous SWAN BAKE Asylum seekers steal the queen's birds for barbecues ASYLUM GANG had 2 swans for roasting a total fabrication! but it seems only too easy to be repeated as 'gospel' here some 4/5 years later as an example of the danger and threat of a muticultural nation. |
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17 Apr 08 - 08:05 AM (#2318138) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: GUEST,PMB ..the NUJ – took the paper to the PCC ... The regulator refused to take up the issue Oh look, Peter Hill, editor of the Deadly Excess, is a member of the Press Complaints Commission! |
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17 Apr 08 - 08:44 AM (#2318163) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Stilly River Sage If this is a thread you're planning to maintain, I'll offer a suggestion early on--there was a regular spammer who routinely posted porn and viagra type ads on a thread I had running called "I read it in the Newspaper." Joe Offer finally closed it because it was such a magnet, and I started a new one with a different enough title that it (so far) hasn't been bothered. You may want to rethink the title of this one if you keep it going, or it could end up with the same idiot using it as a place to dump spam. I enjoy the running commentary on what one sees in the newspapers, even the yellow journalism has it's place (if mostly on the bottom of the bird cage and lining litter boxes). SRS |
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17 Apr 08 - 09:02 AM (#2318183) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Liz the Squeak Hypocrisy is rife in all our newspapers - that's why I refuse to pay for one. However, I do pick up the 'Metro' - a free paper publised in major cities of the UK, but even they are not immune. On the same day as Tesco (big BIG supermarket chain in the UK) announced it was supporting campaigns to stop underage and binge drinking, the Metro and TV ran adverts for Tesco's latest cut price bargain offer - buy two, get third free on ... yes, you guessed it, alcoholic beverages. LTS |
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18 Apr 08 - 05:02 AM (#2319049) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Billy Weeks Dear Liz You can say this for Metro, that it's free and it doesn't actually give you MRSA. But, having said that, I think of the company it keeps. It is part of the Daily Mail and Evening Standard stable. The Standard is a particularly unprincipled propaganda machine. When the Thatcher government wanted to abolish the Greater London Council it had absolutely no democratic mandate to do so, but the Standard carefully prepared the ground for it. Practically every issue in the mid eighties contained stories designed to present the council and everything it did in a negative light, and that's to put it mildly. The Standard shovelled cartloads of shit into the fan. A few years later, they noticed (oh, look!) that one of the world's greatest and most populous cities had been left with no democratically accountable governing body. It was clearly absurd to think that 33 separate authorities could act in the interests of London as a whole, so the Standard campaigned for a new Greater London authority. Another success for London's great evening paper! Sadly, Londoners promptly forgot the great debt they owed to the Standard and elected the left-wing Ken Livingstone as mayor. The dear old Standard is now, true to form, again devoting its front pages to any story that will damage Livingstone in the forthcoming mayoral election. Journalistic comment is, and should always be, free and the Standard should support whatever candidate it thinks best for London. But freedom carries with it responsibility. That's the bit that's been missing here |
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18 Apr 08 - 05:40 AM (#2319074) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Big Al Whittle The express it was that called George Joseph Smith a 'criminal genius'. Nothing changes. http://bigalwhittle.co.uk/id22.html Don't trust the tory press. |
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18 Apr 08 - 06:11 AM (#2319102) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Liz the Squeak Billy Weeks - and that's precisely why I a) don't pay for it, b) recycle it and c) don't believe a word of it. Although it did say in my Metro horrorscope on Wednesday that I would be lucky and I was - I found a winning McDonald's McFlurry ticket so I'm off to get my free icecream next week. LTS |
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18 Apr 08 - 06:30 AM (#2319111) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine Frankly I think the best way to deal with the blatant lies, rumour-mongering of such papers is not to fine them (it's just another expense for them) but to ban them from publication (like footballers are banned from playing for a while) That would give them the message. |
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19 Apr 08 - 12:29 AM (#2319826) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: GUEST,leeneia Thanks, Emma B., for the link to the 10 most popular Express headlines. I laughed out loud when I read this: 'It is designed to render a portion of the population completely helpless - cowering in the corner of their ever-more valuable house, stuffing their faces with a life-saving cocktail of chocolate, watercress, and aspirin... What a combination! What does 'swingeing' mean? |
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19 Apr 08 - 06:57 AM (#2319918) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Billy Weeks I'm reminded by all this of Hannen Swaffer's definition of Freedom of the press in Britain which, he said, means 'the freedom to print such of the proprietor's prejudices as the advertisers don't object to'. Swaffer, who died in 1962 was an influential(and entertaining)leftish journalist, regretted now only for his occasional racism. 'Occasional' in that sentence is not intended to dismiss such unpleasant lapses, but to indicate that, as a matter of fact, they were visible up only occasionally. He lived in a flat facing Trafalgar Square which, he said, would give him a grandstand view when the revolution came. |
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19 Apr 08 - 07:00 AM (#2319920) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Billy Weeks Delete 'up' in second para. |
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19 Apr 08 - 02:47 PM (#2320189) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Terreblanche As an Express reader, I feel the figures hold water. |
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19 Apr 08 - 04:16 PM (#2320246) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Big Al Whittle What figures, two swans.....? |
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20 Apr 08 - 04:17 AM (#2320541) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: mandotim Which figures, Terreblanche? The ones obtained via a carefully designed and academically rigorous study with statistically valid sampling levels, or those obtained via the opinion of a single Chief Constable who had no accurate analysis of the situation, even in his own area? 'Feeling' that figures hold water is not the same as 'knowing', and should not be given the same credibility when reported. Tim |
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20 Apr 08 - 08:34 AM (#2320616) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Liz the Squeak Buckets hold water... but not when full of people's heads. Take the head out of the bucket first. LTS |
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20 Apr 08 - 09:32 AM (#2320633) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: theleveller "As an Express reader, I feel the figures hold water." So does a toilet. |
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20 Apr 08 - 04:55 PM (#2320942) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Mr Red Methinks you are saying that that toilet (and the toilet paper - expressly) holds one or two other things......... And the sewage farm is drenched in Sun? |
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21 Apr 08 - 02:39 PM (#2321742) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: GUEST,ifor Yeah the express really is a gross rag....its as if the local loudmouth bar room racist bigot is able to publish his grisly and grim world view each day.And then we realise that the multimillion pound publisher has a string of pornographic titles in his portfolio. |
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22 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM (#2322788) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: IWTATBM The Express is also known as the Daily Diana. |
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22 Apr 08 - 02:57 PM (#2322819) Subject: RE: BS: I read it in the Daily Express From: Amos IT is amazing what people who are notionally in the "transfer of information" business will resort to in extremes of intentionally promoting false world views. This is not just "business as usual" -- it is actually a betrayal of trust for money. You can call "Caveat Emptor" all day, but the core transaction is rotten, whether it is the Daily Mail or the US' National Enquirer. To promulgate falsehood intentionally, pretending it is a relay of news, is as deeply corrupt and treacherous, ethically, as Condi Rice lying to the Senate about "no torture" when she knowingly chaired the meetings planning it. It deliberately sabotages the understanding of others...intentionally making people stupider. Can you think of anything more despicable to do? A |