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how to pronounce Mairi

17 Apr 08 - 11:58 AM (#2318344)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

is this a piss-take?

God, I hope so.
    This thread went astray. I moved the pre-staying messages to this thread.
    -Joe Offer-


17 Apr 08 - 12:34 PM (#2318371)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Jack Campin

Mairi (MAH-ree) is not Gaelic, it's a Scots approximation of the Gaelic "Mhairi", where the "mh" is a sound between "b", "m" and "v" which doesn't exist in English. The subject of the song (who died a few years ago) called herself "Mairi" though.

The song is excruciatingly tacky and must have been the topic of a zillion threads here.

I'd bet you'll have an interesting time trying to pronounce "Dalziel".


17 Apr 08 - 12:35 PM (#2318373)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Steve Shaw

I knew a girl once with cheeks like rowans. Terribly pale face though.


17 Apr 08 - 01:57 PM (#2318459)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

ell the thread is talking about something other that English traditional music, which is a welcome change, there are other traditions and other countries where the traditions are practiced. Being one quarter Scots I do take an interest.

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 02:36 PM (#2318497)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: The Borchester Echo

"Start off the day with steaming Scott's Porage Oats" sung to the tune of Scotland The Brave. And there's a pic of a brawny chap in a kilt tossing the caber (possibly to disguise an inability to spell "porridge") on said cereal box. A jolly Scots ditty and a million times less tacky than Mairi's flamin' Wedding.

In Irish it's spelled "Máire" and pronounced Moy-ra.
"Mairi" isn't even Gaelic. It's an anglicised form of a word beginning Md and/or h (far too many consonants anyway),


17 Apr 08 - 03:18 PM (#2318543)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko

"there are other traditions and other countries where the traditions are practiced."

Sure, like every country in the world has their own traditions and practices. It is a shame that this forum is dominated by only one type of discussion these days. We could all learn so much more.


17 Apr 08 - 03:29 PM (#2318553)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

"Sure, like every country in the world has their own traditions and practices. It is a shame that this forum is dominated by only one type of discussion these days. We could all learn so much more"

Exactly, Ron. I believe I have posted in the past that I'm one quarter Scots, one quarter Welsh...my other half, as it were is North American Native, Mohawk. I also enjoy and sing the English Tradition, The Maritime traditions, both west and east coasts of North America, Sandy Denny, the list is endless...oh yes and I've also been known to sing the odd song recorded by The Band *LOL* As you say we could, and can, learn a whole lot more.

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 03:32 PM (#2318557)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: The Borchester Echo

I can't see that spurious, pretendy, shortbread-tin crap for tourists can be construed as "traditions and practices". The very antithesis, I think. If by "only one type of discussion" you are regretting the decline of wifty-wafty, celticky fantasising and the rise in profile of a historical musical heritage worthy of celebration, I say good and about time.


17 Apr 08 - 03:42 PM (#2318571)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

"If by "only one type of discussion" you are regretting the decline of wifty-wafty, celticky fantasising"

errr no...unless. of course,you class outfits like Croft No. 5, The Peat Bog Faeries and Clan Wallace, oh and from the past, Silly Wizard, as "wifty-wafty, celticky fantasising".

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 03:45 PM (#2318577)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Big Mick

Don't forget Van Morrison and the Chieftains...... Minor little bunch like that. And always involved with those wifty-wafty, celticky fantasising albums....


17 Apr 08 - 03:48 PM (#2318581)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

If there weren't so many people living in north America discussing British music and culture to the point of complete obsession, TBH, maybe the subject matter here would be somewhat more diverse.


17 Apr 08 - 03:54 PM (#2318586)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole catcher's unplugged Apprentice

You'd know ALL about discussing the English Tradition and what's happening vis a vie funding and such like, to the point of
complete obsession wouldn't you?... It does get soooo tiresome! Which is what i mean about this forum is dominated by only one type of discussion these days, can't speak for anyone else though.

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 04:05 PM (#2318598)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

Well, Charlotte, I do live in England. I work in the live music
industry. I'm asked to talk about "English Tradition and what's happening vis a vie funding and such like" (by the way, it's vis a vis) at national conferences. I have taught Arts Management at university level. If we start talking about certain artforms being prioritised over others, I actually have something to contribute. Of course, not having anything to contribute doesn't seem to stop you from barging in - in fact, i've never known anyone use so many words to say so little.

I really don't understand how someone can be so completely obsessed with events they never go to, pubs and clubs they never visit, festivals they never attend, TV shows they never see, papers they never read, culture they have no day-to-day experience of, but not only feel compelled to discuss it to the exclusion of all else, but insist on correcting, slapping down, and undermining THE PEOPLE WHO DO EXPERIENCE IT EVERY DAY with endless prissy and irrelevant put-downs. You always know better - even than the people who are actually invovled in things personally. It's staggering.

Is there no music where you live? No clubs, no folk culture? Why not engage with it, and then come back and tell us about it, instead of endlessly pontificating about the view from up Ma and Pa's arse, or wherever it is today?


17 Apr 08 - 04:08 PM (#2318599)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: The Borchester Echo

Do you mean "vis-à-vis" funding?
In my view it's rather tiresome that there's nothing like enough of it.
In England that is.
Things are different elsewhere, like Scotland and Ireland where tradarts get government cash thrown at them. Or id. It's aabating just a bit now.

I don't think anybody even mentioned the bands you list: let's see, it's only a short thread, no . . . still less describe them as new-agey, wifty-wafty shit. Which they are not. You forgot Lau, Shooglenifty and Clan Alba, btw.

No, we're talking about Mairi's sodding Wedding, though gawd knows why.


17 Apr 08 - 04:18 PM (#2318615)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Herga Kitty

The song, "Mairi's wedding" is definitely heel and toe wifty-wafty. If you're looking for cheerful Scottish songs, how about the day we went to Rothesay (o)?

Kitty


17 Apr 08 - 04:22 PM (#2318619)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

I engage with it (music), as you so quaintly put it, everyday of my life. I play and and teach piano, I also play acoustic and electric guitars, a recently acquired Martin D-12 and a 1961 Fender Stratocaster (this for completists only)Ummm folk clubs, just one...festivals, three within driving distance, I try to attend at least two of them every year......

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 04:23 PM (#2318620)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Steve Shaw

Hey Ruth, great. I feel the pressure's off me at last.   I'm just a bit surprised you can find time to do all that posting here, what with all that you do.


17 Apr 08 - 04:27 PM (#2318624)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole catcher's unplugged Apprentice

Sponsorship. federal, corporate, local and arts council. An example, islast years list for the Vancouver Island Musicfest, the list for this year has not been finalized yet

2007 Vancouver Island

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 04:28 PM (#2318626)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Herga Kitty

Charlotte - you're being disingenuous.   Ruth was referring to engagement with English (not British) traditional folk music.   Big difference.

Kitty


17 Apr 08 - 04:28 PM (#2318627)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

Steve, lots of people hgere can tell you what I do. Anyway, didn't keep you from having verbal diarrhoea till you realised you were losing the debate - suddenly, you found better things to do...


17 Apr 08 - 04:28 PM (#2318628)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Megan L


17 Apr 08 - 04:32 PM (#2318630)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Maryrrf

I don't know why this thread has deteriorated, but I feel sorry for the original poster. She came across a song and she liked the tune - thought it sounded lively. Innocently she asked about pronunciation of a name that occurred in the song. She got the answer, but were all the other nasty comments necessary???


17 Apr 08 - 04:32 PM (#2318631)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: John MacKenzie

Who does Charlotte remind me of? Is it possible her real name is Sam?

G ¦¬]


17 Apr 08 - 04:32 PM (#2318633)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

Charlotte, you've already proved your amazing Googling capacity on many occasions. This proves what, ecxactly?


17 Apr 08 - 04:35 PM (#2318636)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

I remember Charlotte once denied ever having been to Canada. Now she lives in Vancouver, apparently. Lots of stuff doesn't really add up, G. I didn't like to say...


17 Apr 08 - 04:36 PM (#2318637)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Steve Shaw

Everybody else told me I didn't lose. They were all so nice! You're in a minority of one there, Ruth. Keep on with the good fight!

Luv, Steve


17 Apr 08 - 04:36 PM (#2318638)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

"Who does Charlotte remind me of? Is it possible her real name is Sam?"

My father, sunshine....and he told me ALL about the usual suspects and their behaviours..especially a rather embittered old man...( and , he was right..anyone who disagrees with you is subject your attempted bullying

Oh and one more thing..corporate spnsorship isn't a dirty phrase in our part of the world....

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 04:38 PM (#2318639)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

I knew it, G - didn't i tell you? That's why she's been shit-stirring since she turned up.


17 Apr 08 - 04:38 PM (#2318640)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

"Now she lives in Vancouver"

Vancouver Island....get it right will you, yeesh!
\
Steve, they're bullies...and laughable at best

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 04:41 PM (#2318641)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

Charlotte/Sam,

Get your story straight: have you been to Canada or not?


17 Apr 08 - 04:43 PM (#2318642)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: John MacKenzie

Hee hee, Miss Piano stool up the jacksie, who puts down almost everybody, accuses someone else of bullying, oh dear, my sides hurt laughing at the silly tart.

G


17 Apr 08 - 04:43 PM (#2318643)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Steve Shaw

I can't be bullied, Charlotte. I'm just a grizzly ol' hairy-arse with non-sycophantic opinions that don't suit Ruth.   Ruth thinks she wins and I think stop when it's clear the game ain't worth the candle.   So we both think we win but only one of us is right. ;-)


17 Apr 08 - 04:44 PM (#2318645)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

And i should add that it's peculiar of certain people who claim to be bullied on Mudcat - they're often people who are quite aggressive themselves. When anyone stands up to them, they cry bully. Now I wonder who that reminds me of?

You definitely have been spending time with the Sidmouth Wonder, haven't you Charlotte/Sam?


17 Apr 08 - 04:45 PM (#2318647)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Steve Shaw

"silly tart" - absolutely out of order, John, no matter how you feel.


17 Apr 08 - 04:47 PM (#2318648)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Steve Shaw

Abandon thread. It's diminishing us.


17 Apr 08 - 04:49 PM (#2318649)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Ruth Archer

Steve - I couldn't care less why you threw your toys out of the pram. You were rude and nasty till you realised thast Eliza was actually reading the thread - your tone certainly changed then, didn't it? If you're going to spend considerable time slagging someone off, at least have the courage of your convictions when they turn up.


17 Apr 08 - 04:49 PM (#2318650)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice

Steve neither can I, ...theses ummm...people want to believe what they want to believe, and I for one, in reality, really don't care. I'm old enough to know better, but young enough not to give a sh*t! *LOL* Me, I alwayd thought music was meant to be enjoyed, whether being played or listened to, I can't be bothered analyzing it, did enough of that when taking music lessons... I enjoy music for the sake of it...and for no other reason

Charlotte R


17 Apr 08 - 04:50 PM (#2318651)
Subject: RE: how to pronounce Mairi
From: Megan L

If you refer to someone as "especially a rather embittered old man" then surely you can only expect to be bitten.

Another thread ruined by folks of poor manners. thread closed.