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22 May 08 - 03:36 PM (#2347083) Subject: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman version her without any melody accompaniment,specially for Walkaboutverse,who doesnt agree with chordal accompaniment for traditional music.http://www.soundlantern.com/UpdatedSoundPage.do?ToId=1889&Path=willieofwinsbury2.mp3 |
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22 May 08 - 04:26 PM (#2347127) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: GUEST,Volgadon It works because you can tell a story, which is what counts with Child ballads. |
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22 May 08 - 04:29 PM (#2347131) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: GUEST version her without any melody accompaniment So the Concertina wasn't part of it???? Please |
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22 May 08 - 04:34 PM (#2347133) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: John MacKenzie Derek and Hazel Serjeant did a wonderful version of this song. G |
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22 May 08 - 04:36 PM (#2347135) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: GUEST,Volgadon I think that melody accompaniment isn't the same thing as instrumental accompaniment. |
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22 May 08 - 04:39 PM (#2347139) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Def Shepard Yet another anonomice Guest says,So the Concertina wasn't part of it???? Please Me thinks someone is deliberately being obtuse Once more, Captain, a great rendition of the song! |
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22 May 08 - 04:49 PM (#2347149) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Jeri He possibly meant 'chordal' accompaniment since there most definitely is melody and instrumental (as well as harmony) accompaniment in the bit I listened to. |
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22 May 08 - 06:42 PM (#2347236) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Betsy Badly sung - this song has fucked-up more singarounds than I care to remember . You may say lots of other songs badly sung etc., etc. could have the same effect, but this wonderful song tops them all. |
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23 May 08 - 04:48 AM (#2347465) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman Betsy :I think it is a great song.I would not have attempted singing this song when I first started singing. In the same way I wouldnt have attempted a five part reel when I first started the concertina. This is why workshops are needed,to offer singers help,in improving their performances,to help them with difficult and challenging songs. unfortunately if singers dont go,they cant be helped.it also might help if they listened to my version,which although it is not perfect,[I can probably improve on what I have done] ,wouldnt be a bad guideline for aspiring singers .Dick Miles |
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23 May 08 - 05:01 AM (#2347471) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Les in Chorlton A grand bit of singing and excellent concertina I'd say. Tony Capstick used to do a good version of this. Is it in an odd time signature? |
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23 May 08 - 06:10 AM (#2347493) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: GUEST,Edthefolkie It's a wonderful song. Richard Thompson's live version (in the box set) is also wonderful - I was playing it in the car & it made me a bit tearful to be honest. I think it's the story which gets you, as with all the best songs, but in this performance there's the tune's association with "Farewell Farewell" and Jeannie Franklin. Did Tony Capstick really perform it? Good stuff. Tony was great, I'm just sorry I never heard his Radio Sheffield shows although I gather they got a bit "far out" towards the end. |
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23 May 08 - 07:31 AM (#2347521) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman Les ,I wouldnt know what time signature I do it in.Ireckon Iam altering the timing in different verses,thats one of the advantages of a chordal type accompaniment [imo]its easier [for me anyway]to pull the song about, than if I was playing just melody in the way walksabout verse suggests. Ihave another version of this which Features the headless concertina player which I will shortly be putting on you tube.http://www.dickmiles.com |
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23 May 08 - 08:59 AM (#2347567) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: GUEST,Betsy at Work Tony Capstick is his prime did a great and gripping version of this song. |
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23 May 08 - 09:09 AM (#2347579) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Lowden Jameswright For me the best version of this song (by a fair number of Country Miles) is Leonard and Squires from the album "Broken Down Gentlemen") |
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23 May 08 - 09:39 AM (#2347598) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=C0zAr1t6nTE heres another version.http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNn2TDDru0 |
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23 May 08 - 01:06 PM (#2347733) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=WNqdFGgPPAc&feature=related |
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23 May 08 - 02:38 PM (#2347785) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Jim Carroll Wexford Traveller Mary McGrath, sings it under the title Johnny Barden, on new(ish)ly re-released 'Songs of the Irish Travellers'. A superb piece of singing of an equally superb version - best I've ever heard. Jim Carroll |
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24 May 08 - 12:23 PM (#2348185) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Phil Edwards I really like your version, Dick. What tune is that? It makes an interesting change from the Fause Foudrage tune that everyone else uses. |
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24 May 08 - 12:30 PM (#2348188) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman the tune was originally from another Child ballad, that I believe Andy Irvine put to the words.I will find out for you over the next few days. |
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24 May 08 - 12:53 PM (#2348200) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Phil Edwards That sounds like Fause Foodrage - in which case, I like the way you've altered it. What tune would we be using if Andy Irvine had got the right page? |
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25 May 08 - 05:55 AM (#2348660) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman I learned the song from Paddy Butcher,Elmswell Suffolk,he used to accompany it on guitar. there are other recordings with concertina,Steve Turner, Tony Rose,using a different tune.Dick Miles |
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25 May 08 - 02:46 PM (#2348906) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Rusty Dobro John Goodluck (ex-Ipswich folk club & Radio Orwell presenter)does a fine version on one of his solo albums (I think it's 'The Suffolk Miracle). Now, where's my cookie gone? |
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25 May 08 - 02:47 PM (#2348907) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Rusty Dobro Ah, it's back. |
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25 May 08 - 02:55 PM (#2348912) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Jim Carroll Not The Suffolk Miracle which is about a dead lover returning from the grave - fairly popular with traditional singers in Ireland as 'The Holland Handkerchief' Jim Carroll |
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25 May 08 - 02:59 PM (#2348913) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman John Goodluck was a friend of Paddy Butchers,and learned it from him as well. both he and Paddy played in a band called Trunkles.Dick Miles. |
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25 May 08 - 04:36 PM (#2348969) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Borchester Echo Dick Gaughan tells the tale of when he was singing his version to an audience of Merseyside dockers, after the verse: O A will mairry yer dochter Janet By the truth o my richt haun An I will mairry yer dochter Janet But the de'il tak aa yer laun they all stood up and cheered at Willie putting the king in his place. Jim Eldon calls his version High Castle Wall. When questioned about this, he replied that he didn't like to call it Willie (or whoever) of Wherever because no name is mentioned. |
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25 May 08 - 04:41 PM (#2348971) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Jim Carroll Diane, More likely that they'd just got the news that Everton had finally won a match! Jim Carroll |
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26 May 08 - 04:30 AM (#2349211) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: GUEST,jim mac farland another version can be heard from the singing of Robert Cinnamond and he calls it "Young John from the Isle of Man" last verse "Now fill your glasses to the brim Drink a health to the country Drink a health to John from the Isle of Man And to Lady Winesbury" |
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26 May 08 - 04:34 AM (#2349213) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Terry McDonald My version is the Tony Rose one and it's called 'Tom the Barber.' |
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26 May 08 - 07:03 AM (#2349269) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Lowden Jameswright How could Merseyside dockers possibly understand what Dick was singing? - come on.... |
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26 May 08 - 01:03 PM (#2349436) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=iU9Hhsxy-kM it could be argued that donovan,despite missing many verses out introduced the song to many people who would not have otherwise heard it.Dick Miles |
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27 May 08 - 05:25 AM (#2349939) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Jim Carroll "How could Merseyside dockers possibly understand what Dick was singing? - come on..." You can still get phrase-books in liverpool you know Jim Carroll |
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27 May 08 - 05:27 AM (#2349942) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman hereis agood version from Anne Briggs http://www.last.fm/music/Anne+Briggs/_/Willie+O+Winsbury |
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27 May 08 - 05:29 AM (#2349943) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman http://www.last.fm/music/Anne+Briggs/_/Willie+O+Winsbury |
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29 May 08 - 09:18 AM (#2351927) Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: The Sandman Subject: RE: willie of the winesbury From: Jeri - PM Date: 22 May 08 - 04:49 PM He possibly meant 'chordal' accompaniment since there most definitely is melody and instrumental (as well as harmony) accompaniment in the bit I listened to. There is absolutely no single line melody accompaniment in my version,it is either harmony or chords.WALKABOUTS VERSE was saying that traditional songs should only be accompanied by single line melody.http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=C0zAr1t6nTE |