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05 Jun 08 - 02:07 AM (#2357910) Subject: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll Morton From: cptsnapper Next Saturday evening at 8.00 BBC Radio 4's Archive Hour will be about the tapes that Alan Lomax made of Jelly Roll Morton talking about his life: sounds fascinating. |
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05 Jun 08 - 02:42 AM (#2357921) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: greg stephens There is a recording available of all that talking stuff, I think a Rounder boxed set. Unbelievably fascinating. Don't you wish the English collectors had taken as much interest in the singers as the songs?The background is so interesting. |
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05 Jun 08 - 05:13 AM (#2357998) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: masato sakurai See also Alan Lomax's book: Mister Jelly Roll: The Fortunes of Jelly Roll Morton, New Orleans Creole and Inventor of Jazz (1950). |
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05 Jun 08 - 07:46 AM (#2358118) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Mick Pearce (MCP) The recordings are fascinating (not to say downright rude at times). If you haven't access to them, you can find transcriptions of the talks on this site: Library of Congress Narrative - Jelly Roll Morton and Alan Lomax - Transcribed by Michael Hill · Roger Richard · Mike Meddings I didn't check the site, but I think they're complete transcriptions. Also, as it says on the site, "Readers should be aware that a number of the recordings contain obscene language, which some may find offensive. To retain historical accuracy, no attempt has been made to censor them.", so sensitive souls take heed! Mick |
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07 Jun 08 - 07:13 AM (#2359967) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: greg stephens Refresh It's tonight. Not to be missed(except I think I will miss it!) |
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07 Jun 08 - 07:19 AM (#2359969) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Bonnie Shaljean Sorry, didn't see this thread (only searched what was on screen) and I've gone and duplicated it! CLONES - PLEASE COMBINE - because there's an interesting post from Jim Carroll |
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07 Jun 08 - 07:20 AM (#2359970) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Bonnie Shaljean "Lomax & Jelly Roll Morton BBC Radio 4" http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=111845&messages=2 |
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08 Jun 08 - 06:40 AM (#2360570) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Ruth Archer Excellent programme. Jellyroll comes across as a compelling, brilliant, larger-than-life, but ultimately tragic figure. |
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08 Jun 08 - 09:34 AM (#2360617) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Azizi A quote from that transcription: "Jelly Roll Morton was a denizen of the tenderloin, of the sleazy underbelly of life. So we might be shocked at some of the obscene language, the crude depictions of commercial goings on, the brutality and heartlessness depicted. Accept these we must though, if we want to view the world that he worked in, and which in part informed his creativity". Jelly Roll Morton talks about pianists and other musicians of his time whose names may only be remembered because of his mentioning them-people like Alfred Wilson of New Orleans who won a piano contest at the St. Louis Exposition, and "Tony Jackson" who Jelly Roll Morton admits was the reason he didn't go to that Exposition because he was afraid of competing against. And then there are the musicians "Brocky Johnny, Skinny Head Pete . . . Old Florida Sam and Tricky Sam, and that bunch" who Jelly Roll Morton mentions...And Jelly Roll also mentions: "Of course, we had King Porter around there — that is, I mean, Porter King — the man that "King Porter Stomp" was named after. He was considered a very good piano player. And of course, we had, er, King — I disremember his name — I think his name's Charlie King, another piano player around there. Baby Grice was another one, that was supposed to be good." -snip- We have surely lost so many stories about talented people. We have lost so many songs and so many tunes from that time and would have lost far more were it not for Alan Lomax [and his family]. I want to take this opportunity to thank them for their work collecting these songs and memories. |
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08 Jun 08 - 09:43 AM (#2360619) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: The Sandman yes, we ought to be grateful. however Jelly Roll Morton clearly felt Lomax could have helped him when he [Morton]was on hard times. There was a similiar feeling in Suffolk [from traditional singer Bob Scarce]about Lomax and Kennedy. |
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08 Jun 08 - 10:03 AM (#2360627) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Stilly River Sage The lack of help from the collector (there are various sorts who fit this category, not just music) seems akin to what on the various Star Trek series was called the "prime directive," not interfering with the natural course of things. Not defending or denying that approach, simply noting its existence. SRS |
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08 Jun 08 - 10:26 AM (#2360641) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: greg stephens Stilly River Sage: I pass no comment on whether Lomax should or could have helped Jelly Roll Morton, I don't know any background. But your suggestion that Lomax followed some sort of Prime Directive in this matter is way wrong.Lomax collected from, and hugely helped, Leadbelly, as only one example. |
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08 Jun 08 - 12:55 PM (#2360738) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: The Sandman Greg,If I had been Lomax,and I met Morton,in the circumstances described in this programme,I would have sent him money. |
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08 Jun 08 - 01:26 PM (#2360753) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: The Sandman which, Lomax may have done. |
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08 Jun 08 - 01:29 PM (#2360757) Subject: RE: Alan Lomax / Jelly Roll morton From: Azizi Captain Birdseye, I agree with you. My comment posted above doesn't mean that I approve of how Lomax interacted with his sources. I definitely do not approve of all that I've read regarding that. My only point was that were it not for collectors such as Lomax a lot more songs & tunes would have been lost. |