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18 Jun 08 - 06:40 PM (#2369359) Subject: combustible folk From: glueman The tradition is under threat - not true, the tradition almost died and is in rather good health. Englishness is under threat - does anyone have the faintest idea what this means? 'This one's not worth it' - my greeting on the board. 1954 - the Rosetta Stone of the tradition. Just saying it puts you to the top table. Unfolk - Unthank, country, blues, folk-rock, Mike Harding, the young, almost anything. All things I've learnt in the last two months here. Anyone want to play shibboleth bingo? |
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18 Jun 08 - 06:55 PM (#2369372) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Gene Burton I didn't understand a word of that, but this thread looks like being good fun, anyhoo...ENJOY! |
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18 Jun 08 - 06:58 PM (#2369375) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Gene Burton P.S. I sold some Cds tonight, so I'm in a good mood. Which almost certainly means the tradition is, indeed, under threat...LOL |
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18 Jun 08 - 07:00 PM (#2369379) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman Just a theory Gene, that almost anything upsets someone. Folk is the Princess and the Pea of musical genres. |
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18 Jun 08 - 07:00 PM (#2369380) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Gene Burton How dare you! |
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18 Jun 08 - 07:03 PM (#2369384) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Gene Burton In all seriousness, though, I've always been of the opinion that more often than not, the state of being offended is the product of the offensive mind. |
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18 Jun 08 - 11:28 PM (#2369534) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Escapee Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something. SKP |
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19 Jun 08 - 02:34 AM (#2369587) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned A Monster ...and yea! Verily they gather together at Mudcat! I tell you Gluey, we need a concerted effort to wake up Harvest Home... |
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19 Jun 08 - 03:20 AM (#2369595) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Banjiman Right-on dude......what? |
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19 Jun 08 - 04:16 AM (#2369623) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: davyr Why did I think this was going to be a thread about Phosphorus? http://www.phosphorus.org.uk/ :-) |
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19 Jun 08 - 04:57 AM (#2369631) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Waddon Pete .....I think the whole trouble with Folk is....sorry...there's someone at the door.... :0) |
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19 Jun 08 - 04:58 AM (#2369632) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Zen Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something. I couldn't have put it better... Zen |
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19 Jun 08 - 05:02 AM (#2369635) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Big Al Whittle Theres this hippy comes to see me play sometimes. he always says, 'wow!.... like man you were on fire tonight....' Bob Stokes the Dublin Busker was gigging The Poets Corner (a rough Irish pub in the Meadows area of Nottingham, despite its genteel name) when someone set fire to the pub during his act. The next time he did it, there was a murder outside in the car park. I remember Mick Peat organised a Pie and Peas Night, with Derek Brimstone doing the cabaret, when suddenly pie kitchen was ablaze. We had to evacuate the building. I hope this is seen as a valid contribution to this cryptic thread. |
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19 Jun 08 - 05:18 AM (#2369645) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman Haven't drunk in the Poet's for many a year, though old Arkwright St. used to have some good boozers. The inflammability of Mudcat is due in no small to the fact that somewhere along the way Folk stopped being a musical style you either liked or didn't, and became a moral crusade. Since then every subject is dry tinder, each instrument a box of matches and every singer a potential log on the wickerman. |
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19 Jun 08 - 07:36 AM (#2369692) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Dave Hanson I remeber someone once singing Leon Rosselsons song ' Tim Maguire ' then spontaneously bursting into flames, then someone said " don't poke him, he'll burn longer " eric |
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19 Jun 08 - 07:53 AM (#2369704) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Waddon Pete .....it was the post person.....now what we really need to do about folk music is....d**** there goes the 'phone..... |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM (#2369710) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller "Folk is the Princess and the Pea of musical genres. " Hmmm, I'll have to sleep on that one. "I couldn't have put it better..." Well I bloody well could but, hey, what's the point......Pass me that can of petrol and the matches,someone. |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:11 AM (#2369711) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Les from Hull It'll be that 'Person from Porlock' again! |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:16 AM (#2369717) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger Didn't know we had a problem with albatrosses... someone once told me that all folk songs were about sheep... sorry, it's nearly time for "Doctors" on the box ... must dash! |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:32 AM (#2369723) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger "every singer (is)a potential log on the wickerman." Nobody warned me of this when I started off singing so many years ago ... I'm off for a singing weekend in Dorset tomorrow. It never occurred to me that putting fire and spirit into a song might be a hazardous thing. Should I be taking an asbestos safety blanket and an extinguisher with me ? Back to "Doctors" then...... |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:38 AM (#2369728) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Les from Hull Try to manage as best as you can without! |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:46 AM (#2369736) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman Let's put it another way. Is there a single musician, vocalist or instrument that everyone can agree on? |
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19 Jun 08 - 08:58 AM (#2369751) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller "every singer (is)a potential log on the wickerman." We do still burn witches in our village from time to time, but it's not a religious thing now - just a bit of fun. We've stopped ducking them first, though, because it makes them so hard to light and with the price of petrol what it is.... |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:04 AM (#2369754) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Trev "Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something." Nobody's happy until they have a mortgage to moan about. |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:21 AM (#2369761) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned A Monster It's ok to be a log for the Wickerman: however big the fire, there's always someone round the corner happy to piss on it. Meanwhile... Is there a single musician, vocalist or instrument that everyone can agree on? Now then, don't be silly. And it depends if you mean we all agree they're blooming marvellous or all agree they're shite. What we're looking for is someone who's a traditional singer and a singersongwriter (or neither); as old as the hills and the new kid on the block (or neither); is part of the folk establishment and is a shunned, reviled rebel (or neither); is an inspector in the folk police and and a hunted fugitive from justice (or neither); has paid their dues round every godforsaken folk club in the land and wouldn't piss on the last folk club standing if it was on fire (or neither); is playing the latest cutting edge ambient folktronica and has taylored their entirely career to getting onto 'wonderful' radio two (or neither); is a proudly amateur folk singer who thinks turning professional is a betrayal of the entire movement and is a pro with major label backing and a brilliant PR machine (or neither); thinks 1954 is the holy word of god and a random year halfway through the last century (or neither) or is anywhere (or nowhere) on the continuum (or not) between the two (or more). (Or less). And their name is.... |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:26 AM (#2369767) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Paul Burke WEhat's all this about 1954? What happens at 6 minutes to 8? Is that when the residue impinges on the ventilator? Of course there are singers and instrumentalists that everyone agrees on. But I won't say who because it would start a row. |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:27 AM (#2369768) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Dave Hanson I was married but now I'm a single musician again, this is a matter of fact ! so everyone must agree. eric |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:32 AM (#2369770) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster Of course there are singers and instrumentalists that everyone agrees on. But I won't say who because it would start a row. Go on, you know you want to! And I'm intrigued to know who these all-encompassing figures are... |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:33 AM (#2369771) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman You got it ESAM. If I were to think of someone who represented the folkish virtues, was generous to a fault, held the tradition in high esteem and pursued unswerving devotion to their craft, I could guarantee within ten minutes someone would claim they were an unskilled arriviste, a monsterous libertine, and couldn't pluck fluff off a jumper or wipe the shin(t)e of xxxxxx's shoes. It's a form devoid of not bad, fair do's and shades of grey all round with polarised, seething antipathy seen as the jolly norm. |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:43 AM (#2369776) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Zen It's a form devoid of not bad, fair do's and shades of grey all round with polarised, seething antipathy seen as the jolly norm. Replete with bad trousers. |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:44 AM (#2369778) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman ...and tankards. |
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19 Jun 08 - 09:47 AM (#2369780) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Richard Bridge Actually, Jim (not Jim Carroll) put himself on the fire at Knockholt one year |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:06 AM (#2369799) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Paul Burke Well here are a few: Kattett Løpkile Dedo del Pielevanta la Rodilla Mojezabić Człowiekagore Tyvyhrál Můjuhlí K. Nosač Pčelinji A Fiação There. That's enough for now. All agreed? |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:15 AM (#2369806) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Waddon Pete ...oh oh....the fat's really in the fire now! |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:17 AM (#2369808) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Big Al Whittle ah...! metaphorical combustion! Or look at it another way, we are all frogmen in this great ocean of.....ethnicity! or we are all potatoes, singing our potato songs in the subterranean dark and hoping to be dug up and end up on the right table. or we are all little songbirds gracing an uncaring firmament with the spiriual magic of melody and the passion of our words. Earth, Water, Fire and Air We're an elemental force. |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:34 AM (#2369820) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger ...Ah, but are we an elemental force to be reckoned with ? |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:43 AM (#2369826) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller I don't believe in force , could you make that elemental persuasion? |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:46 AM (#2369828) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a mOnster A Fiação pode ser definida como uma seção de operações que transforma uma massa de fibras têxteis inicialmente desordenadas (flocos) em um conjunto de grande comprimento, a qual sua seção possui algumas dezenas de fibras mais ou menos orientadas e presas a si mediante uma torção. As fibras têxteis podem ser de origem natural, química ou mineral. As far as I'm concerned, anyway. |
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19 Jun 08 - 10:51 AM (#2369832) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman Earth, Wind and Fire. Did Maurice White not sing of those grand times when the crops were in, the last fender was attached on the line and a young man's fancy turned to a little step dancing in Boogie Wonderland? T'was joy that eve to be alive under the harvest moon, and swap it for a glitterball in the inn at Studio 54. |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:00 AM (#2369840) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: AggieD 'What's all this about 1954?' Best year ever of course 'cos I was born in that year. And really glad to know we're not the only village that still burns witches, wicker men and the odd stray duck that we don't like the look of or doesn't quack in the style that we'er used to |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:01 AM (#2369841) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a moNster Studio 54 Wouldn't that be Studio 1954? |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:04 AM (#2369844) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Paul Burke Massa de Fibras - he was one of the greats. |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:07 AM (#2369848) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman "Wouldn't that be Studio 1954?" If I was in the smiley racket I'd award that a whole row of the beggars. |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:19 AM (#2369860) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Les from Hull Don't tell me Massa de Fibras has passed on. We'll never see his like again. Or perhaps we will. |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:42 AM (#2369874) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Zen I googled "1954 definition" and it brought up A review of reproductive strategies in cephalopods Is this what is causing all the fuss? |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:43 AM (#2369875) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger Well personally I always had a great liking for Desordenadas Flocos myself ... but then what do I know ?? |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:50 AM (#2369879) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Def Shepard 1954, the Club 54 for some folkies. :-D |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:50 AM (#2369880) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger Zen - no, I think you may be barking up the wrong tree there. 1954 was the year which saw the international definition of the nautical mile - surely this must be the yardstick we are all seeking for (unless of course the yard was redefined at the same time). |
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19 Jun 08 - 11:53 AM (#2369882) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Def Shepard This is probably not what is meant by the 1954 definition :-D |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:05 PM (#2369898) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller OOh, I don't know, though..... and as for the cephalopods, I've heard the phrase 'I'd swim under water and f**k fish for that' ....but octopusses (octopussies, octopi?). |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:10 PM (#2369900) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Darowyn If you are really pedantic and classically educated, "octopodes" (Four syllables, pronounce all the vowels) "Three or four octopus" works for me though. This is easy going English not strictly Classical Greek. Cheers Dave |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:13 PM (#2369904) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Seamus Kennedy "The folk-singer's going out." "Quick! Throw more petrol on!" It has been my experience that there are some folks whose sole function in life is to be offended by something, so they can make a scene and get their 5 minutes of attention. Seamus |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:16 PM (#2369909) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller "Three or four octopus" works for me though. Really? Doing what? And how much do you pay them? |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:20 PM (#2369916) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller Are they classically educated octopodes? |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:27 PM (#2369923) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a monSter A review of reproductive strategies in cephalopods Where's the Snail when you need him? |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:31 PM (#2369928) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a monsTer Well, Mr Burke, I disagree entirely. In fact, pequena massa de fibras musculares cardíacas modificadas que se localiza na união da veia cava superior com o átrio direito. So there. |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:34 PM (#2369931) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a monstEr And Surreysinger, don't you agree that old Flocos lost it completely when he went electric? |
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19 Jun 08 - 12:51 PM (#2369949) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: TheSnail Where's the Snail when you need him? I'm busy. |
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19 Jun 08 - 01:17 PM (#2369974) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger Ewan - sadly I have to agree ... and after that there was no going back, was there ? |
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19 Jun 08 - 03:42 PM (#2370172) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster Where's the Snail when you need him? I'm busy. Ugh, I can't believe you just made me watch snailporn! At least they didn't take their shells off. Meanwhile, what did the slug say to the snail? "Big Issue, sir?" |
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20 Jun 08 - 03:09 AM (#2370471) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Paul Burke I thought everyone KNEW that Massa de Fibras was a union activist. He and Atrio Direito formed the União da Veia Cava Superior, organising the better sort of fizzy wine makers. He wrote the moving Aperfeiçoamento de Pessoal during this period. |
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20 Jun 08 - 03:43 AM (#2370487) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller Let's not have any more arson about! |
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20 Jun 08 - 04:40 AM (#2370503) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST My understanding was that the particular localiza of the união da veia cava superior that de Fibras headed up was considered to be a scab outfit. According to Algumas Dezenas, in her definitive biography, "Massa de Fibras: Um Conjunto de Grande Comprimento", Aperfeiçoamento de Pessoal was taken up as the strikebreaker's anthem during the Great Fizzy Wine Strike of '54. |
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20 Jun 08 - 04:40 AM (#2370504) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: GUEST,Ewan Spawned a Monster ESAM asbove |
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20 Jun 08 - 05:08 AM (#2370515) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Phil Edwards Honestly, you catters are so provincial. (It's quite easy Portuguese...) |
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20 Jun 08 - 05:26 AM (#2370520) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Surreysinger Yes Phil - I think we had enough intelligence to have twigged that ... and ,having translated it,the article itself wasn't quite as much fun [grins] |
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20 Jun 08 - 05:49 AM (#2370534) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Big Al Whittle When I was at college there as this kid who used to light his own farts. Anyway one night, he got blowback, and they rushed him to hospital with internal burning. Don't do it. folkmusic that is ....get a proper job. Think about it again when you're sober. |
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20 Jun 08 - 06:06 AM (#2370546) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Spleen Cringe It's a shame this useful compendium of fascinating information wasn't available back then: Facts on farts. If it had been you friend would have realised that one in four fart lighting escapades end in anal injury. |
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20 Jun 08 - 06:15 AM (#2370553) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: glueman There you all go, making jokes because the Mr Hyde who wants to cut someone's throat over a melodian player's finger work or an attribution disagreement is just dying to get out. He's still there with 1 9 5 4 tattooed on his knuckles, just you wait. |
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20 Jun 08 - 06:35 AM (#2370559) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: theleveller Thanks for that life-changing (and arse-saving) info, ESM. And just how does farting relate to musical performance? Why with Le Petomane, the Fartiste, of course. http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~lofty/pujol.htm |
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20 Jun 08 - 07:44 AM (#2370589) Subject: RE: combustible folk From: Spleen Cringe Cheers, Leveller. Just spent a very enjoyable lunchbreak with Le Fartiste. Good to know he was a firm favourite of the King of Belgium. There's a deep significance in that: I just don't know what it is yet... By the way, does the 54 definition cover anal as well as oral transmission? |