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Any Mudcatters in ITALY?

25 Jun 08 - 12:02 AM (#2373763)
Subject: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WyoWoman

My band has been invited to sing in Italy this fall at the Terra Madre convention and I wonder if there are any Mudcateers in Italy. We'll be in Turin in late October and would love to correspond with and, we hope, meet local musicians.

(Now to raise the money for all of us to travel there ... But, hey, we have three months... ;-] )

Cheers,
WyoWoman


26 Jun 08 - 12:15 AM (#2374529)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WyoWoman

Or maybe Southern France?

--ww


26 Jun 08 - 12:18 AM (#2374531)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: katlaughing

auxiris was in France, don't know if it was southern or not

COngrats! That's awesome!!


26 Jun 08 - 06:30 AM (#2374649)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Susan of DT

I think Roberto is in Italy


30 Jun 08 - 11:14 PM (#2377931)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WyoWoman

I'll send him a note.
This is more about the organization and the gathering we'll be part of. I'm so excited.

Terra Madre

Soon, I'll post to see if other Mudcateers have performed in Europe, so we can suss out some of the challenges before we get there. We've already decided we'll either have to do without a bass or see if we can rent one there. Otherwise, we have to buy another whole airline ticket for the bass. ;=]

Yep, the opportunity of a lifetime. A way to represent America as ambassadors with our music and our humor and our affection.

I think we're also going to be able to post some of our music on the Mother Earth News website and raise some money for the trip that way. Stay tuned ...

Both of you are powerful, spiritual women, so please send out your best intentions and prayers for our success in this amazing adventure.

Love,
WyoWoman/kc


30 Jun 08 - 11:24 PM (#2377935)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Wincing Devil

I've BEEN to Italy, does that count? Midnight Mass at the Vatican with JPII, back in 82


30 Jun 08 - 11:29 PM (#2377939)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WyoWoman

Not really, but ... it's a start. ;=]


01 Jul 08 - 05:31 AM (#2378036)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Roberto

Yes, Susan, I'm in Italy (city: Pescara; region: Abruzzo, central Italy, eastern coast). I've sent a PM to WyoWoman/kc. R


02 Jul 08 - 04:12 AM (#2378884)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: My guru always said

It sounds like a wonderful adventure, enjoy every minute. Safe journeys!


02 Jul 08 - 05:16 AM (#2378906)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST,Woodsie

The great Dave Kenningham (leader of folkmob)is in Italy at this very moment! He says that he has learnt many italian folk songs that he will treat us with on his return.


02 Jul 08 - 09:42 PM (#2379652)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WyoWoman

Wonderful. I would love to be in contact with him once he returns. How might that happen?

And yes, Roberto did contact me and we will be pumping him for information, too.

Now ... on to fundraising several thousand dollars between now and October ...

--KC


02 Jul 08 - 09:56 PM (#2379660)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: katlaughing

...please send out your best intentions and prayers for our success...

Giving thanks for a complete and safe journey and sharing, darlin'. Really proud of you!!


04 Jul 08 - 11:25 AM (#2381011)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WyoWoman

Thanks! Me, too. We're going into the studio tomorrow for a quickie live recording session so we can get some more downloads available. Stay tuned.

And congrats on your new website as well. I've owned my URL for 10 years now and still haven't designed my website. You made me miss the "high lonesome of Wyoming."

--WyoWoman


24 Aug 19 - 11:51 PM (#4005784)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

Looks as if I may be going to Italy (Naples Rome Florence Verona) with some foodie/wine-y folks, next September (2020)... At least I'm going to try! Advice? New mudcatters? Montalbano tour? Thanks!


25 Aug 19 - 03:36 AM (#4005788)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

I did an Interrail trip in March, Naples-Matera-Lecce-Perugia-Bologna. I'd been to Bologna before and would have liked to spend more time there, but accommodation is scarce and expensive.

My wife is gluten and dairy free, and there's not much left of Italian food when you take those out. (Turkish food is WAY better for us). The food market in the centre of Bologna is great. We found Lecce the least interesting of the places we went to, but Steve Shaw here gets a lot more out of it.


25 Aug 19 - 07:48 AM (#4005806)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Roger the Skiffler

We went to Florence 3 years ago, the little hole in the wall eateries in side streets were deceptive: go back several rooms once you are inside and great food. Enormous steaks! In Naples early this year we mostly ate by the sea or again in side streets great seafood, and pizzas of course.
Rts.


25 Aug 19 - 08:27 AM (#4005808)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

Tim Parks has some terrific books about Italy, try the one about Verona (where he lived for years).


25 Aug 19 - 11:25 AM (#4005818)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

I read that in Bologna do not ask for spaghetti bolognese, it's the wrong shape of pasta!


25 Aug 19 - 12:34 PM (#4005826)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WalkaboutsVerse

I would never live there as I am English, but enjoyed my second visit in May this year to Italy/"A Beautiful Stage"

And I also heard about spag bol not being popular in Bologna, but thought it was due to their preference for wet/fresh rather than dry pasta..?


25 Aug 19 - 01:18 PM (#4005833)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST

'I would never live there as I am English'

????!!!!


25 Aug 19 - 01:42 PM (#4005841)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Yes, GUEST - I am 100% sure our world would be a more interesting and peaceful place if humans would stop emigrating and be content to VISIT other nations - apart from genuine asylum seekers, that is.


26 Aug 19 - 06:06 AM (#4005888)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST,Jack Campin

No need to draw attention to it when some Australian immigrant farts.

Anyway, here is a survey of Tim Parks's work.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/41773.Tim_Parks


26 Aug 19 - 07:55 AM (#4005897)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WalkaboutsVerse

I was born in England the day Alf Ramsey's ENGLISH team won THE World Cup, Jack; thus, no-matter how unpopular, I am indeed an English repatriate NOT an "immigrant."


26 Aug 19 - 11:17 AM (#4005915)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban

Do moderators have a problem with this sort of utterances :

'I am 100% sure our world would be a more interesting and peaceful place if humans would stop emigrating and be content to VISIT other nations - apart from genuine asylum seekers, that is. '

being called out as narrow minded little Englander idocy?

Apparently.


26 Aug 19 - 12:36 PM (#4005918)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST,Jack Campin

Mrrzy will be too late for this, but it's impressive.

Matera City of Culture 2019

You have probably seen Matera on film - it was the setting for Pasolini's The Gospel of Matthew and Mel Gibson's The Passion. It dates back to the Neolithic: the only place like it I've been to was Hasankeyf in Turkey (recently almost totally demolished by the Erdogan regime on the pretext of building the Ilisu Dam). For their City of Culture year, Matera put on some great modern art exhibitions. There was one particularly effective one where a photographer constructed paired photographs, one half shot in Matera and the other in places in Jordan, where the people in each picture appeared to be interacting with each other - rather like that artist who built seesaws into Trump's wall so that kids on the American and Mexican sides could play together.

Matera will still be worth visiting after the City of Culture stuff is over.


26 Aug 19 - 12:39 PM (#4005919)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

We spent a week in Lecce in June 2016 (the week we were ignominiously knocked out of the European Championships AND the week that seventeen million idiots voted leave). We found it to be a quiet and elegant place with great eateries and kind people, and we wouldn't have missed the evenings' passeggiata for the world. Grand! I hate to say it (especially in Jack's presence), but you won't see much of Puglia unless you have a car or pay expensively for transport.

Naples is a mad place with fantastic pizzas where you'll need to strap your wallet to your body. The archeological museum is the most higgledy-piggledy amazing place. Go to the duomo and see the grisly sight of St Gennaro's bones sticking out of the top of an urn. Get the Metropolitano to Pozzuoli, walk up the hill through the town and walk into the Solfatara crater. Sinister. Take the ultra-cheap Circumvesuviana railway (you'll have to endure the beggars) and in muchly under an hour you can visit Pompei, Ercolano (Herculaneum) and Vesuvius. There are two amazing Roman villa at Stabiae that hardly anyone seems to know about. Sorrento is nice but far too busy, at the for end of the Circumvesuviana, about 80 minutes from Napoli. Very good gelati. The world began in the Bay Of Naples. Capri is crazily busy and it should have a capital called Ripoffsville but if you go on a small open boat on a warm summer's day the voyage is unforgettable.


26 Aug 19 - 12:46 PM (#4005921)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Sounds good Steve - I'd like to see Naples and (a bit later!) die.


26 Aug 19 - 01:37 PM (#4005924)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

Some comments about music might be on topic. This is from the Arbëreshë people, an Albanian minority settled near Matera in 1468, as refugees from the Ottomans, where they have lived ever since with essentially zero conflict with their neighbours. The polyphonic style is like that of the Tosk of southern Albania and the Ipirots across the border in Greece.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_kfKveAGf_0

Italy is a nation entirely composed of minorities (only 5% of the population spoke Italian at the time of reunification) and the variety of folk traditions that have been preserved there is extraordinary.


26 Aug 19 - 05:28 PM (#4005938)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

Just reread me post. When I said: "...in muchly under an hour you can visit Pompei, Ercolano (Herculaneum) and Vesuvius" I didn't mean in all in an hour! Give 'em a day each. Especially Pompei, which is huge! Herculaneum is an incredibly rewarding place to visit. Half a day gives you a good taster. We went twice in a month. It's amazing, it's poignant, and it's much quieter than Pompei.


26 Aug 19 - 07:23 PM (#4005945)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

Naples isn't like anywhere else I've been - arriving there late at night and trying to find a b&b in that maze of streets was mindblowing, Istanbul was never that crazy the whole time I've been going there. But pizza is not one of the things that makes it unique. I tried a couple of highly recommended places and they were indistinguishable from what I could get in Edinburgh.


26 Aug 19 - 11:00 PM (#4005952)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

Ok, are the pickpockets/muggers *really* that much worse than anywhere else? Don't they love us wonderful tourists? I don't speak English abroad if I can help it, at least..


26 Aug 19 - 11:55 PM (#4005954)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

The only times I've actually been the victim of pickpockets have been in Edinburgh.

But yes, they are an issue. In the area around the station you see a lot of jackets dumped near wheelie bins. I assume the modus operandi is to take the whole jacket before rifling its pockets.


27 Aug 19 - 04:34 AM (#4005966)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Roger the Skiffler

WE never felt any more in danger in Naples than in any large city. As well as Pompeii & Herculaneum we could recommend Villa Oplontis.

RtS


27 Aug 19 - 05:21 AM (#4005976)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

In Naples I was accosted twice in a few minutes, once by a bloke affecting to show me to the right platform for a "fee," the other a bit more serious, a man on the escalator who tried to nick my man-bag via a distraction technique. A bag across the body, rather than slung over one shoulder, is better than nothing, though cutting the strap with scissors is time-honoured. I've given up on man-bags in favour of bulging shorts pockets with zips. I don't think Naples is really any worse than other big cities, though the organised crime outfit there is very nasty. My sister was robbed in a Dublin street and I believe that Barcelona is hellish. I had my debit card stolen from under my nose in Bude Sainsbury's at a checkout. Luckily, my bank was just a hundred yards down the road.

As for pizza, there's great stuff in Naples as well as the inevitable tourist crap. We took refuge during a deluge in a little pizzeria in a back street near the station in which was both cheap and magnificent. The wood-fired oven was right there in the corner by the rickety tables. The margheritas, which the others had, were huge and delicious. I asked for a pizza fritta. When it came it was about three times the size of the biggest Cornish pasty ever and about twice as thick. The waiter looked at me with that look that said you'll never eat all that, pal. I ate the lot to spite him. I could hardly move all afternoon. If you want good grub in Italy, go to the eateries where the Italians go and never ask for spaghetti bolognese. It isn't Italian. And don't drink cappuccinos in the afternoon. Not done. An amazing Neapolitan phenomenon is the merest hint of rain miraculously producing ten thousand umbrella-sellers within seconds.


27 Aug 19 - 05:38 AM (#4005981)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

There are two magnificent villas in Stabiae, Villa San Marco and Villa Arianna. In typical Italian fashion many of the treasures in them were nicked and sold off, and huge chunks of wall frescos have been hacked out (many of them now in the archeological museum in Naples). They are still magnificent places to visit. Stabiae is where Pliny The Elder met his end during the 79 AD eruption of Vesuvius. Don't get off the Circumvesuviana at Castellammare di Stabia, though. It's an ugly port town, and the little station at Via Nocera is closer to the villas.


27 Aug 19 - 09:39 AM (#4006013)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

never ask for spaghetti bolognese. It isn't Italian.

They may not use that word for it, but yes it is. I have a friend from Bologna who had a party in Edinburgh for her mother visiting from home. it was very unlike any Scottish party and spag bol was the main dish (though a lot drier than the usual British version). Mother didn't comment on getting Scottish food.


27 Aug 19 - 10:34 AM (#4006019)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

Well it was certainly on every menu we saw in Venice but that's just a sop to Brit tourists. Meaty ragùs are served up with ribbon pasta such as pappardelle, which holds the sauce much better than spaghetti. An Italian ragù will often contain pork as well as beef, often chicken livers too, will rarely contain garlic as well as onions, will be started with a soffritto of onion, celery and carrot (pancetta goes in mine too), will be cooked slow and long with the addition of milk, and last but not least will not include that abomination known as dried basil that blights many a Brit attempt at an Italian dish. And just dumping big gobs of sauce on top of a heap of pasta is simply not the done thing at all.


27 Aug 19 - 10:37 AM (#4006022)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

It's the putting it on spags that isn't "authentic" rather than the bolognese, which "properly" goes on fettuccini or tagliatelle. Or so I am informed by the internet, which is never wrong.
Steve, you have reminded me of a language pet peeve which I shall harangue about in that thread.
Keep the info coming anyway!


27 Aug 19 - 11:40 AM (#4006036)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

OK, come to think of it she did use one of those flat-cross-section extruded forms of pasta rather than round spaghetti.

I don't think I've ever seen orecchiette in the UK. Common in large parts of southern Italy, I think.


27 Aug 19 - 02:39 PM (#4006064)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

There's a deli in Whitefield (Roma) that sells orecchiette. It's the best thing for that pasta bake with layered pasta, tomato sauce and mozzarella that Italians love. Fresh basil only...and for orecchiette con cime di rape. We use tenderstem for that dish rather than the chewy turnip tops beloved of Pugliese, and I'll confess to chucking a few cherry tomatoes in mine.


27 Aug 19 - 06:00 PM (#4006093)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WalkaboutsVerse

"that Barcelona is hellish" (Steve)..? When I visited in 1988, I remember lots of pimps and prostitutes around La Rambla, and read that it was still like that but, when I visited last year, I found it a nice family-oriented kind of place...only the comfortable sand soon gives way to pebbles when taking a dip at the nearby beach!

"And just dumping big gobs of sauce on top of a heap of pasta is simply not the done thing at all." (Steve) Agreed - Italians always seem to add the pasta to the sauce pan and mix it in there, before serving.


27 Aug 19 - 07:37 PM (#4006099)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

Correct. And you must use two tossing implements to mix the sauce and pasta, and you should always preserve some pasta water in case the sauce needs loosening, which it often does. And no abject little bowls of grated Parmesan. Parmesan is grated on to the finished dish, preferably at the table. That is followed by a healthy drizzling of extra virgin olive oil, from a bottle on the table, at the consumer's behest....


28 Aug 19 - 03:51 AM (#4006147)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Roger the Skiffler

Steve, stop it, I'm drooling all over my keyboard!
RtS


29 Aug 19 - 05:53 AM (#4006339)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

Me too. Now, as Mrs Steve will be home late this evening, we need something simple, so we're having Marcella Hazan's onion and butter tomato sauce with spaghetti and parmesan. I'll have to persuade her that it needs be washed down with a bottle of Negroamaro, even though it's only Thursday (aka Friday Eve...)


29 Aug 19 - 11:44 AM (#4006389)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Roger the Skiffler

I'll end mi Italian food stories with our Sicily trip: I tried the Montalbano diet but only managed 4 mullet (and not for lunch), but not with his usual red wine, and had one canolli siciliano with enough sugar to keep me buzzing for days, no wonder (spoiler alert) 6-12 at a time saw off Camilleri's pathologist character!
RtS


29 Aug 19 - 02:39 PM (#4006430)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Steve Shaw

Cannoli, ye gods. Especially the ones with pistachio... We were in Sicily in June and regularly spoiled our appetites with either cannoli, gelati or both. I came home determined to make my own cannoli, but you have to buy special metal tubes...Mrs Steve took one look at my burgeoning waist and banned me... We decided to lust after them from a distance and get back to Sicily as often as possible!


29 Aug 19 - 04:56 PM (#4006444)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: WalkaboutsVerse

Tricolore Fusilli is my favourite pasta to prepare, as (enlarged) it is so easy to see when it is ready. I add it to a sauce/soup made from a mug of veggie powder soup, plenty of tomato sauce, spices (garlic, nutmeg, ginger, cinnamon, pepper, salt) and sometimes mushrooms and, yes, iceberg lettuce.


19 Oct 19 - 12:34 PM (#4014426)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

Montalbano diet? How about the Montalbano tours?


19 Oct 19 - 01:21 PM (#4014430)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST,HiLo

You must do the Brunetti (Donna Leone) tour AND get the cookbook..great recipes in there.


19 Oct 19 - 10:00 PM (#4014483)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

Brunetti is in Venice, right?


20 Oct 19 - 01:07 AM (#4014490)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: GUEST,HiLo

Yes, he is and he loves good food. I read him as much for the gastronomic delights as for the story.


20 Oct 19 - 05:08 AM (#4014508)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Jack Campin

John Grisham's "Playing for Pizza" is about the American gridiron football scene in northern Italy. I found the descriptions of the games numbingly incomprehensible but he's great on the food.


20 Oct 19 - 11:42 AM (#4014550)
Subject: RE: Any Mudcatters in ITALY?
From: Mrrzy

Looks like October of next year...