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03 Jul 08 - 05:31 PM (#2380467) Subject: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: DMcG I was asked if there were any songs talking about the UK perspective on the US declaration of independence written around that time. There's a number giving the US point of view, but I couldn't think offhand of any giving the view from over here. Your suggestions, please ... |
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03 Jul 08 - 08:33 PM (#2380583) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: Jack Campin I don't think there are any. It took the ensuing war to motivate people to write some. |
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03 Jul 08 - 08:40 PM (#2380586) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: Emma B A contibution from Burns Ballad on the American War |
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04 Jul 08 - 03:15 AM (#2380740) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: Phil Edwards Over here, I don't think anybody cared - or cares - enough to write about it. Talking to American friends, I occasionally come up against the assumption that we must be really resentful of our ex-colony's success and celebrate the fourth of July by boycotting all things American, but I don't think anyone thinks like that. I'd never even heard of the War of 1812 before I started chatting with Americans online. Hey, it is the fourth of July. I had no idea when I started writing that. Well, happy Fourth to those who celebrate it. |
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04 Jul 08 - 04:48 AM (#2380789) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: GUEST,Dazbo at work I don't know any, but, as there was quite a large portion of the British public that had sympathy with the WoI, it's quite possible there were songs written over here in SUPPORT of revolutionaries. |
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04 Jul 08 - 05:51 AM (#2380810) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: Terry McDonald We simply don't know just what the level of support for the American revolutionaries was. A Chapter in 'Britain and the American Revolution' (ed. H.T. Dickinson) is emtitled 'The British Public and the American Revolution: Ideology, Interest and Opinion' by James E. Bradley fails to find any verifiable evidence that ordinary British people supported the Anericans. Historians from both sides of the ideological divide have tried but have only managed to show that support was mainly confined to members of what we would now call the 'professional' and self employed lower middle classes. Roy Palmer, in his The Sound of History: Somgs and Social Comment' states that 'The American War of Independence gave rise to a cinsiderable body of songs, on both sides' but fails to give a single example of songs about the war itself. He discusses one about a maiden's determination to join her boyfriend in the fighting. Last thought - the War of 1812 is indeed little known in the UK. As one historian recently said - three countries were involved, two think they won it and the third doesn't know it was in it. |
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04 Jul 08 - 08:48 AM (#2380907) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: GUEST,keith A o Hertford Shannon and Chesapeake. 3 versions in DT |
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04 Jul 08 - 09:07 AM (#2380921) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: quokka Has 'Sailing to Philadelphia' anything to do with that time/event? (Mark Knopfler and James Taylor)about the Mason/Dixon line. Cheers, Quokka |
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04 Jul 08 - 09:10 AM (#2380923) Subject: RE: 'US Independence' songs from UK view From: Jack Campin There are a lot of songs about Paul Jones, particularly from Scotland (not surprising given that what he tried to do to Edinburgh and Leith would have made Osama bin Laden look like an amateur). |