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14 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM (#2388689) Subject: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Shimrod Yet again I've attended a so-called 'Folk Evening' and been patronised by a load of school teachers with guitars - and, wait for it - a recorder! Oh yes, and a sodding great accordian - which sounded like musical mush. And yet again I was treated like a six year old and expected to wave my arms around - songs with actions! I wanted to scream, "I'll be 60 next birthday - not 6! I've got a degree, a mortgage and a lot of life experience! And I don't wave my f**king arms around for anyone - and especially not for a bunch of boring, anodyne, patronising tw*ts like you!!" But I didn't, of course, I just finished my beer and left. Seriously, though, should teachers be allowed to sing folk songs - should they even be allowed out the classroom without a signed affidavit stating that they will refrain from treating adults like infants? |
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14 Jul 08 - 01:43 PM (#2388696) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: glueman I feel your pain. What is it with teachers and folk? |
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14 Jul 08 - 01:50 PM (#2388707) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge Recorder can rock, diddle, or wail depending on who's doing what with it. Or it can make annoying polite toots. |
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14 Jul 08 - 01:52 PM (#2388710) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Bert You're just too old shimrod!!! What you need is a good dose of kids and their songs. Lighten up, let your hair down and sing instead of complaining. I know 'cos I went through a phase like you're going through some years ago, then I grew up and now I sing kids songs all the time. Maybe the grandkids help. Grandpa's are supposed to roll around on the floor with kids and act silly. So get yourself a couple before it's too late, and start enjoying life. |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:28 PM (#2388749) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Leadfingers The Day Job of a performer has NOTHING to do with their ability as an Entertainer ! As I recall , at the Height of their Folk Fame , The High Level Ranters were ALL Schoolteachers , in fact I recall a comment that Johnny Handle spent all day teaching kids to Speak 'proper' English , then went out and cashed in on his Geordie accent and Dialect ! |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:30 PM (#2388751) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Peace Piss off ya old wanker! |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:35 PM (#2388760) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Kev The Clogs I'm a teacher (and I only admit that to people I trust - so that's all of my fellow folkies!!) I'm guessing that they mean well, but that they have forgotten that folkies are actually quite normal and intelligent people!!! When I'm doing folkie stuff (or trying to push it) I get then to listen to some good stuff, watch a video of my lot Morris Dancing, tell them about the drinking and the generally great crack that we have when we are out. Come and say hello at point if you see me, and we'll appreciate folk for adults over a beer!! Have a great season people :-) Kev |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:37 PM (#2388762) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace I ain't a folk singer but I do go on stage and I do NOT talk down to the people who are there--unless the stage is very high up. The premise is insulting. |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:49 PM (#2388774) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge Down with the pedagogic gerontocracy (as we used to say in my youth). Come on Kev, we know another teacher, one who teaches music, don't we? |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:50 PM (#2388775) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Geordie-Peorgie Well said, Peace! - But shouldn't wanker have a capital 'W' ? Aah wadn't knaah - not bein' a teacher, like! |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:51 PM (#2388778) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Kev The Clogs Yeah Hoff, but I was trying to be "professional" and give her the benefit of the doubt!!! (no, sod it, you're right!!! - perhaps I'm the unsual one!!!) |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:54 PM (#2388785) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge Hi John's dad. No, teachers say "onanist". |
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14 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM (#2388787) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Shimrod Up yours, Peace! Give me a moment and I'm sure that I can come up with a suitable action ... |
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14 Jul 08 - 03:29 PM (#2388823) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Naemanson I'm a teacher and I do folk. I like to do Lou and Peter Berryman's It's Better Than That, You Can't Be a Pirate With All of Your Parts, Merry Mac, and Henery the Eighth. No hand movements required. And I agree with you about those who do that. They need to be aware of their audience. |
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14 Jul 08 - 03:46 PM (#2388852) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Geordie-Peorgie Hell's teeth Mr Bridge! Dictionary pudd'n' for breakfast? There must be summat in these threads aboot solicitors and sea-shanties! Did ye knaah that there's a pub in Soothampton caalled 'The Bent Brief' Are ye gannin' te Broadstairs this year?? Aa'm ganna be on crutches like a REAL pirate! |
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14 Jul 08 - 04:01 PM (#2388864) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: mattkeen Nothing wrong with recorders Try Horses Brawl |
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14 Jul 08 - 05:18 PM (#2388984) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge Nah, dictionary beer. I will 4deffo be there the opening weekend, then pressure of work bending my briefs may drag me away... There's a rock band from Gravesend called "Star Chamber". No lawyers in it. |
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14 Jul 08 - 05:53 PM (#2389040) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Tootler Shimrod, face it. You're a boring old fart :-) Welcome to the club. Geoff |
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14 Jul 08 - 06:10 PM (#2389052) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Chris Murray Wanker should only have a capital W if it's Mr Wanker. |
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14 Jul 08 - 06:45 PM (#2389080) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: oggie Pete Coe, Roger Watson, Tony Rose. Teachers all :) There are good and bad in all walks of life. Steve |
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14 Jul 08 - 06:49 PM (#2389087) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Geordie-Peorgie Aah thowt it wez 'Horse's Branle' but pronounced 'Brawl' or hev aah got the wrang tune? Thank you Chris! Just when ye think that there's nee courtesy left in the world - WALLOP! That's capital and aah'll remember that. Now if aah can only get the apo'stro'phe's's in the reet places wel'l be laug'hin' |
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14 Jul 08 - 06:54 PM (#2389098) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle not about whisky then..... |
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14 Jul 08 - 07:05 PM (#2389109) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Peace For the record, I like Shimrod. Always have. We just need to have these little set-tos now and then to realize life is finite. |
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14 Jul 08 - 07:18 PM (#2389119) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge No Al, that'd be "Teacher's" |
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14 Jul 08 - 07:23 PM (#2389121) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Shimrod may have hit on something. I have seen this "classroom" phenomenon many times. It's the old "Girl Scout Campfire" approach (which may be fine for old Girl Scouts), but not for me, thank you. I don't know where the young people who go into teaching have this "gee whiz, let's all clap hands and sing Kumbaya!" stuff inculcated into their brains. The real issues is, though, that many don't just talk down to adults, they talk down to their students in the classroom. It's not the root cause, obviously, but it is one of the subtle ways we have of "dumbing down" our students, a worsening scenario year to year. Few succeed where so little is expected. Singing and instrumental music should be taught with high expectations, credible expertise and a certain joy in the music itself. Treating your sixth grade students (and their parents) like kindergartaners is both selfish and unproductive. |
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14 Jul 08 - 07:42 PM (#2389134) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace Well, finite in an allegorical sense. For indeed, what IS life? |
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14 Jul 08 - 09:23 PM (#2389200) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Leadfingers There are occasions when I actually agree with the people who think Guest Posts should be banned ! IF Shimrod was a member , I could send him / her / it / a Personal Message , rather than clutter an already cluttered thread saying what a Pratt I think He /She / It / is ! |
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14 Jul 08 - 11:49 PM (#2389264) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge Are you an ex-teacher, Terry? |
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15 Jul 08 - 07:27 AM (#2389459) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: jonm Amongst the teaching profession, particularly among those who teach young children, there are some who are relentlessly patronising and belittling with their infantile manner. Please do not tar the entire profession with the same brush, enough fine performers have been listed above already who number themselves among teachers or ex-teachers. If you found the naff happy-clappy stuff irritating in a club scenario, imagine what it could be like to have one of those types calling a barn dance. We did one gig and vowed never again with her! |
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15 Jul 08 - 07:44 AM (#2389473) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Leadfingers Ex Teacher Richard ? NOT a chance ! Been a lot of things in my working life , but the nearest I got to teaching was a bit of basic foot drill training in the Air Training Corps , and a LITTLE bit of basic Banjo and Whistle teaching ! Any one want a whistle workshop at a festival by the way ? |
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15 Jul 08 - 10:55 AM (#2389620) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,baz parkes Just out of interest, how did you know they were teachers? The days of whiteboards (interactive or not..)have done away with that fine patina of chalkdust. Baz |
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15 Jul 08 - 10:56 AM (#2389621) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace Yeah. Helped save the cliffs of Dover though. |
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15 Jul 08 - 11:20 AM (#2389649) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Cats There do seem to be a lot of teachers about, particularly ones who work with students with severe behavioural difficulties and/ or Special Educational Needs. One thing that most teachers try their hardest not to do is be a teacher when they are being a folkie. Sorry if you don't like us. Now, are you sitting comfortably....:-) |
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15 Jul 08 - 11:35 AM (#2389668) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace Never heard a Canuck say anything bad about this woman or her songs. To go with that YOUTUBE broadcast, here's the lyrics. Working Man written by Rita MacNeil. [Slag that lady in this country and you'll have your hands full right quick.] Chorus It's a working man l am And I've been down under ground And I swear to God if l ever see the sun Or for any length of time I can hold it in my mind I never again will go down under ground At the age of sixteen years Oh he quarrels with his peers Who vowed they'd never see another one In the dark recess of the mines Where you age before your time And the coal dust lies heavy on your lungs Chorus At the age of sixty-four Oh he'll greet you at the door And he'll gently lead you by the arm Through the dark recess of the mines Oh he'll take you back in time And he'll tell you of the hardships that were had Chorus (Repeat Chorus) (Repeat Chorus) God I never again will go down under ground |
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15 Jul 08 - 11:38 AM (#2389672) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace Just thought I'd lighten the tone. |
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15 Jul 08 - 12:31 PM (#2389733) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Shimrod For the record I didn't say that I don't like teachers (oh alright, maybe just a little bit ... NO, mustn't generalise! ... there's probably lots of really nice teachers out there ... possibly? ... sorry, you just caught me talking to myself - it's my age, you know ...) I merely expressed an antipathy to those teachers who characterise themselves as 'folk singers' and then proceed to patronise me. Yours Truly, A facetious, boring old fart. |
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15 Jul 08 - 12:32 PM (#2389738) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace You are NEVER boring, Shimrod. |
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15 Jul 08 - 12:38 PM (#2389745) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST Best not to mention that Steve Knightley (SOH) was a teacher for a short while *runs for the door having set the cat among the pigeons* |
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15 Jul 08 - 01:29 PM (#2389809) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: greg stephens Now, this side of the room sing "Jackie Boy" and then the other half sing "Master". God, I remember the agony of it.And all accompanied by recorders. |
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15 Jul 08 - 01:38 PM (#2389820) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Peace LOL |
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15 Jul 08 - 01:43 PM (#2389828) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge I bet they didn't understand the sexual imagery... |
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15 Jul 08 - 01:43 PM (#2389829) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: quokka Thanks for lightening the tone, Peace! lol |
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15 Jul 08 - 01:59 PM (#2389847) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Stringsinger I didn't get the details but teachers who sing folk songs can approach them with knowledge and information that is useful to an audience and may be able to communicate with kids better than the standard folkie. The question I would have is what was the motivation here? To actually educate, to patronize, to do an ego number? This wasn't clear in the post. I have known some teachers who were very knowledgeable about folk music and could communicate some important values to an audience about history, the nature of the music, and present a credible performance. The thing to avoid is snobbery. There is no one way to do something. The post needs to specifically articulate what was offensive and not generalize with reaction. |
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15 Jul 08 - 02:11 PM (#2389862) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker my wife is an infant school teacher. She thinks this thread is hilarious.... |
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15 Jul 08 - 02:21 PM (#2389874) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Aeola Most of the teachers I know in the Folk world seem to be good sorts. Maybe you've just been unlucky. Remember though that people often react to your own actions. Whew!! can't believe I said that! |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:09 PM (#2389955) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Jim Dixon When I was in college, I thought for a while I wanted to be a teacher. While observing at a local high school, one of the things I noticed was that the principal (headmaster) treated the teachers like kids. He brought a meeting to order thus: "All right! Everyone in your seats! No more talking!" The teachers acted as if this were perfectly normal. My wife, who is a teacher, sometimes seems to forget where she is. Talking to me in our living room, she'll occasionally go into her "teacher voice" and shout at me as if she's trying to get the attention of a crowd of rowdy kids in a large room. This without a trace of anger, and totally unaware of how odd this is. |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:13 PM (#2389965) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Lowden Jameswright Somewhere back in time Jim, you must have "acted as if this were perfectly normal" |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:13 PM (#2389967) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: In My Humble Opinion "All right! Everyone in your seats! No more talking!" This was a standard approach when i was in school, low these many hundreds of years ago, and it still is, to some degree. *she'll occasionally go into her "teacher voice"* It comes with the territory I'm afraid, i should know, i am a retired school teacher! "I say, you, yes you in the back row, Jones minor, sit up and pay attention, and STOP picking your nose!" |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:21 PM (#2389978) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Lowden Jameswright Bring back the old 12" rule I say - give it across the back of the knuckles - and it'll sort out our social problems in less than a Maggie Thatcher 4th term. |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:27 PM (#2389985) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: In My Humble Opinion Which reminds me....... Joyce Grenfell : Nursery School - Free Activity Period |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:36 PM (#2389992) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: squeezebox-kc My earliest introduction to folk music was my teacher Miss Blackburn at about 6 years old and i thank her for it but in later life meeting her as a caller (patronising) was an understatement but hey at over 60 i still enjoy the music. i hope David & Eileen Keys are still out there calling dances in their own inimitable style Ken C |
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15 Jul 08 - 03:36 PM (#2389993) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Lowden Jameswright Have your plectrum tweeked here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiWJWLCoH2M&feature=related |
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15 Jul 08 - 05:48 PM (#2390139) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Steve Gardham A few teachers are naturals, but most are actors. Unfortunately they sometimes find difficulty in turning off their acting persona. Currently they are in a state of confusion brought on by massive political interference, as are most public workers. |
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15 Jul 08 - 07:56 PM (#2390234) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: paula t I'm a teacher and I am becoming seriously disheartened by the negative generalisations made in the media and elsewhere.It seems that we are not only responsible for most social ills but now we are even responsible for the odd bad experience at a folk club! Please don't tar us all with the same brush.We don't all try to educate others in our spare time. I always make a conscious effort not to appear patronising to the young children I teach - never mind the adults I meet at folk clubs. You don't know how depressing it is to be constantly belittled for your occupation - which most of us entered because we wanted to make a difference. Sorry to sound so bitter and twisted, but I am so fed up with hearing this kind of generalisation and not being able to respond.Thank you mudcat for giving me a rare opportunity to shout back! |
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15 Jul 08 - 08:10 PM (#2390245) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle Well i was a teacher, and I can tell you from experience - they're all complete bastards - every one of them. Its only enlightened legislation that has got rid of folksingers who throw chalk at the audience, and they'd hit you for not joining in choruses - only they're not allowed to nowadays. what i say is those can do, and those who teach should have their liver ripped out and fed to the cockroaches. Theres too much of it...... And another thing they don't stick to the 1554 definition of folksinging. theres none of this namby pamby waving your arms about in real traditional folksinging. |
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16 Jul 08 - 02:51 AM (#2390376) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Guest It is not just Teachers who bring home, and to our folk gatherings their 'Working attitude'.My partner regularly tries speaking down to me in her high & mighty 'Professional Role?). |
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16 Jul 08 - 06:22 AM (#2390438) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,LJW - at work in a real job I did 10 years in Industry, then 22 years in Teaching, then back to a "proper job" in the rough and tough world of Industry. All those pricks who come out with statements like "no better part-time job than teaching - all those holidays" should try it. I enjoyed my time in teaching - colleagues and the students were great; the Gov'ts and Management were utter twats. Having wide experience of both sides I'm qualified to say this - teaching is the toughest, but you can sustain 60+ hour weeks for only so long. I'm glad I'm back in a job where you can get a breather during the working day, and find time to have a social life during the evenings and weekends. PS Without teachers/ex-teachers in folk clubs, there'd be no folk clubs - fact. |
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16 Jul 08 - 01:53 PM (#2390760) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: bubblyrat My partner, "Wild Flying Dove," is a SENCO , ie Special Educational Needs Co-ordinator , and I think that she does a FANTASTIC job ! Yes, she can be a bit "bossy" and dictatorial sometimes, but I wouldn't have her any other way, and if ANYONE wants to come up at Sidmouth, or any other folk venue, and slag her off, I shall be more than happy to spend a night in Police custody for the privelege of " --- filling them in"---and that's a promise !!! |
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16 Jul 08 - 02:43 PM (#2390811) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Richard Bridge And when we are done with teachers, can we get onto the issue of recorders? When Jacqui was alive and we were involved in the running of Hazlitt Folk, I wrote blurbs about the residents, and called her recorder playing "fiery". I think anyone who ever saw her play would have agreed with that. Technical limitations, in some respects she had, and no baroque players would have wanted her type of playing, but it was NOT "toot-toot". It ain't the instrument, it's what you do with it. |
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16 Jul 08 - 03:37 PM (#2390870) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Chris Murray I'm a teacher and, according to one banned contributor from this board, I'm only a teacher so that I can have nice long holidays to go to folk festivals. She knows nothing about where I teach, what I teach or who I teach. |
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17 Jul 08 - 02:35 AM (#2391147) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Piers Plowman Little Johnnie was playing with a pile of horse manure when Miss Jones, his teacher came over. Since it was a progressive school and she didn't want to thwart his creativity, she didn't tell him to stop and wash his hands, but instead asked what he was making. I'm making a teacher", he replied. "Right", thought Miss Jones and sent him to the principal (head teacher, for any Britishers reading this). The Principal said, "Miss Jones tells me, when she asked you what you were making with the horse manure, you told her it was a teacher. Is that right?" "No", replied Little Johnnie. "It was a principal." This was too much for the Principal, so he sent Little Johnnie to the School Psychologist. The School Psychologist said, "Little Johnnie, when Miss Jones asked you what you were making with the horse manure, you told her it was a teacher, and when Mr. Johnson asked you, you told him it was a principal. Now, when I ask you what you were making with the horse manure, you're going to tell me it was a School Psychologist aren't you?" "No", replied Little Johnnie, "not enough horse manure." |
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17 Jul 08 - 03:50 AM (#2391174) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Shimrod You make a few innocent remarks and all hell breaks loose! |
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17 Jul 08 - 03:59 AM (#2391176) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,synbyn an odd thread which flames a fair percentage of our customary audience! i suspect the original outburst was to do with teachers who perform in their spare time(sic) taking bread from the mouths of dibbling musicians... though most musicians I know who make a living do so by by going into schools... and teachers feel the same about those musos who frankly don't have the empathy or personality to teach and who consequently dump their output on their audience and run but nevertheless expect as of right respect and an attentive audience... each to their expertise, and those who combine the abilities , like Pete Coe, are gold dust... and the best performer in the world most people won't pay to see more than once every 6 months/ year- there are a lot of dates left to keep a club base running... |
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17 Jul 08 - 04:45 AM (#2391189) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: TheSnail GUEST,Shimrod You make a few innocent remarks and all hell breaks loose! Are you new to Mudcat? |
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17 Jul 08 - 06:30 AM (#2391255) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Piers Plowman GUEST,Shimrod wrote: "But I didn't, of course, I just finished my beer and left." You mean you left before the Hokey-Pokey?! And the deeply moving a-capella rendition of "Itsy-Bitsy Spider"? For what it's worth, I thought it was pretty clear that you meant your remarks humorously and weren't seriously trying to pick a fight with teachers. |
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17 Jul 08 - 06:48 AM (#2391263) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle All right class! Quieten down! |
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17 Jul 08 - 06:52 AM (#2391268) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Ruth Archer Chris Murray: just consider the source. The member in question has a chip on their shoulder about your profession - I shouldn't take them at all seriously. |
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17 Jul 08 - 06:53 AM (#2391269) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: glueman The first time I encountered the teacher-folk link was forty odd years ago when forced to Strip the Willow to an LP record. Teachers are over-represented compared to other professions but nodody's said what the attraction is. Any guesses? |
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17 Jul 08 - 07:29 AM (#2391287) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Sooz Leave us alone - some of us deserve the flaming, most of us don't. (Probably like every other profession!) Teacher with three more days to retirement. |
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17 Jul 08 - 08:12 AM (#2391306) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Mooh For many years there was a local folk group which was often described as being a "group of teachers" though it also had a miner, a janitor, and a clergyperson. It was a bit heavy with teachers, 5 English teachers. Not sure if this characteristic contributed to its eventual demise. One or two teachers left, another joined. There was a lot of day job shop talk. Due to their jobs, the interest in language was always present, and seemed to be a good fit with the interest in music. The three combined generated an interest in performance and so a band was born. As for me, I am a teacher of private music lessons and hope not to be lumped into the general catagory described by previous posters. I am a pusher, and my drug of choice is music. As such I try to meet my market without undue antics. Peace, Mooh. |
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17 Jul 08 - 08:44 AM (#2391323) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Betsy at Work Bob Davenport had a theory(s)in the 1970's about teachers and their non positive effects on the Folk Clubs - I mustn't try to paraphrase, but I definitely thought and still think that his thoughts had merit. I wish he would expound on this Page. |
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17 Jul 08 - 09:30 AM (#2391357) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Chris Murray I know, Ruth, but it's still quite hurtful. She goes on about her feelings being hurt - but she can lash out with the best. I think that a lot of teachers like folk music - you can tell who the teachers are at festivals because they have sensible hair! I never tell anyone what I do - unlike a woman at Cambridge one year who was ostentatiously reading some educational document for the whole of the Saturday. |
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17 Jul 08 - 09:42 AM (#2391361) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Shimrod Let's make one thing perfectly clear - I have nothing against teachers! Why, some of my best friends are ... I just get annoyed with teachers who happen to call themselves 'folk singers' but can't seem to leave their day job behind and end up patronising me! Right, I'm off to a meeting of my local 'School Teachers in Distress' support group. |
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17 Jul 08 - 10:56 AM (#2391406) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: GUEST,Twonk so is corporal punishment still allowed in folk clubs ??? My local pub folk session on Friday nights must be run by teachers; because whatever we do, or how good or bad we behave, we're always kept in detention hours after the pub was supposed to be closed for all other drinkers !!!??? |
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17 Jul 08 - 11:24 AM (#2391433) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle I dunno, they get six weeks holiday you know, and they've got books with all the answers in - its not like they've got to do the sums themselves...... then they complan when the kids beat them up! |
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17 Jul 08 - 08:09 PM (#2391698) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Rowan I suspect Shimrod didn't read the notice outside the venue and stumbled into a Wiggles concert. Cheers, Rowan |
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18 Jul 08 - 05:25 AM (#2391898) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Eye Lander Maybe just maybe, those teachers are giving those children their first taste of folk music and maybe it will stick with them and perhaps they'll grow up into a Jim Causley or any other folkies that we love to listen to. Jillie |
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18 Jul 08 - 07:46 AM (#2391976) Subject: RE: Teachers & Folk Music From: Big Al Whittle Or maybe they'll grow into someone everybody detests. I can't help thinking we should pay the teachers that turn out nice people more. And if you are responsible for Noel Edmonds...... |