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17 Jul 08 - 02:25 AM (#2391144) Subject: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,Acid Alec Christ I have just had the most miserable night of my life due to a slice of bloody Apple pie. I've had digestive problems in the past, but nothing comes close to Apple acid. I actually suffered chest pains and pressure. The burning was so bad it kept me up all night, pacing the floor trying to burp, because it was too painful. It doesn't matter whether you are suffering from burping, bloating, acid reflux, all you get from your doctor is "It's not something you die from, it's something you die with it". I have tried every tablet and concoction on the market, still I suffer. The only thing that helps in a spoonful of Baking Soda in water. So Apple pie is now added to my "avoid"list which includes sausage rolls,pre-cooked pies,jellied-eels and pickled eggs. Any fellow suffers out there, what's on your list ? |
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17 Jul 08 - 02:56 AM (#2391154) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work Sounds like pastry (high fat content?) is your trigger. Mine is chili.... and eating late at night... but if it continues get it checked out, it could be a symptom of something else. LTS |
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17 Jul 08 - 03:22 AM (#2391164) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Paul Burke Sounds like a possible hiatus hernia to me. A buggeration if so, as the only permanent treatment is an operation, normally only undertaken in serious cases. |
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17 Jul 08 - 04:46 AM (#2391192) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Georgiansilver Hiatus hernis....duodenal ulcer.......and a few other things it could be a sign of....you need a barium meal with X-rays to find out what the weakness is. Please don't settle for being palmed off by doctors...they are paid public servants who should do their best for you. If you don't think they are doing the best for you...tell them and insist they do. Best wishes, Mike. |
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17 Jul 08 - 06:00 AM (#2391230) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Dave the Gnome I have a hiatus hernia and take a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) tablet every day. Currently Omeprazole but has also been Pantaprazole. Have been on them for 10 years now and glad to say I don't seem to suffer any ill effects. Apart from once the reflux went away I gained about 3 stone! I would concur with Liz about the pastry. Apples, as most fruit apart from cirus, seem to help to inhibit my reflux if anything. Don't believe them when they say it won't do any harm. Untreated reflux can cause all sorts of aesophagal problems, including cancer. Mudcat has already lost a member (Pied Piper) to this condition - make sure we don't loose another. Get it treated now! Cheers Dave |
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17 Jul 08 - 06:49 AM (#2391264) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work And jellied eels are just an abomination before the Lord and shouldn't be eaten by anyone. LTS |
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17 Jul 08 - 07:35 AM (#2391289) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,DV Apples are generally considered "safe" for GERD, so it is either the fat in the pie crust (a possibility, looking at your list of trigger foods) or the sugar and spices. Sugar is the #1 trigger in my GERD. Some spices also are triggers for reflux. Apple "crumble" pie can be deliciously made without sugar by substituting unsweetened apple sauce for the sugar, experimenting a bit w/spices, and by substituting an oatmeal based crust recipe that doesn't use lard. Sadly, what most of us are addicted to is fat and sugar, or fat and salt. So I suppose GERD serves us right, eh? (Or at least those of us who consume jellied eels--duck!) |
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17 Jul 08 - 08:13 AM (#2391307) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: jacqui.c Kendall has suffered from this from quite a while and it got so bad that it did some temporary damage to his vocal cords. He is now on Omeprazole daily and that deals with the problem. Sounds like you have a lazy doctor - go back and make a fuss, or change your GP. |
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17 Jul 08 - 08:23 AM (#2391310) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Becca72 I have GERD and a probable hiatal hernia (too chicken to confirm that) I get reflux from air some days. :-) Top on my list is caffeine. I cut WAY back on my coffee intake. Some tips I was given are to wear clothes that aren't tight, sleep propped up at an angle, eat smaller meals, don't eat and immediately go to bed and take a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar when symptoms come on, though admittedly I just can't tolerate that last one. |
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17 Jul 08 - 08:28 AM (#2391315) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Jeri You have to take omeprazole on an empty stomach. Trust me, it does NOT work after you've eaten breakfast. Your doctor doesn't appear to know what he's talking about. People CAN die because of acid reflux. Your doctor needs to take this seriously. Acid Reflux & Cancer Risk (Mayo Clinic) How Acid Reflux Leads To Esophageal Cancer Discovered By Researchers (Medical News Today) |
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17 Jul 08 - 09:09 AM (#2391344) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Alice You can also get pleurisy from acid reflux, which happened to me last year when I ended up in the hospital. Then I took the pills, propped up the head of my bed and didn't eat unless I could stay upright and walking around afterwards. It seems to have healed. I join the others in recommending a different doctor. |
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17 Jul 08 - 09:54 AM (#2391368) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,Acid Alec Really grateful to you all for taking the time to reply. Got an appointment this morning with my G.P. He basically told me to avoid certain foods, not to eat late at night and not to resort to Baking Soda. He also said, eat slower, digest your food and scripted me an other anti-acid. He said it's a common problem and the operation to cure it involves the patient basically being quartered. I probably could of got this information at my newsagent. Again thanks |
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17 Jul 08 - 10:32 AM (#2391392) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Dave the Gnome Omaprazole, Pantaprazole and any other PPI will work any time. I regularly forget and only remember about tea time when I get reflux. Take it then and it cuts the reflux straight away. The main thing to remember is that it may not be an instant remedy and can take a few days to effectively inhibit the protons pumps. Once the inhibitors start to work they just need regulat top ups. Oddly enough though with me it started to work the day I began taking it - Maybe I just got lucky! The other stratnge is that the instructions do say avoid taking other indegestion remidies for an hour before and two hours after taking them. Wonder why you would? A really good alternative to being propped up up bed, and one that is very effective for me, is sleeping on your left side. The stomach is on the left side of the body and it's entrance points right. Which is why reflux can often give heart attack type symptoms. If you lie on your right side the entrance (or exit in this case!) is pointing downwards and with the help of gravity , particularly with a hiatus hernia, will just pour excess acid into your easophagus. Lie on your left side and, unless it overflows, it tends to stay put. Lie on your front or back and it could go either way! Glad we could be of help and keep that acid down, Alec! Cheers Dave |
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17 Jul 08 - 10:55 AM (#2391403) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: EBarnacle Up to about 12 years ago, I had chronic GERD. When I was hospitalized for another problem, they served me a course of major antibiotics. It cleared the ulcer which caused the GERD. Go get a proper diagnosis so you can address the problem correctly. Also avoid NSAID based pain killers, such as Napersan, as they can definitely cause gastric problems. |
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17 Jul 08 - 11:10 AM (#2391417) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,DV I started out w/duodenal ulcer, and antiobiotics did seem to kill it off. About 6 yrs later, the reflux returned w/out the ulcer. I've never been able to tolerate the "purple pill" so was prescribed Aciphex, or rabeprazole sodium, which I take daily first thing on an empty stomach. Adjusting your diet is still inevitable though, and probably looking at weight loss (I'm just sayin'), if that is an issue for you too. GERD is exacerbated by weight gain. While the Aciphex has been a life saver and I can eat most things I enjoy, the real problem now is with the NSAIDS for osteoarthritis of the knee, and me being on my feet all day. And sometimes my daily red wine/beer habit is put on hold too. Alcohol can really aggravate GERD, and there are contraindications for taking GERD meds and drinking. Sucks, don't it? |
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17 Jul 08 - 11:50 AM (#2391460) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: CarolC I use digestive enzymes. If I don't, I get terrible indigestion and acid. For proteins that are difficult to digest, I use one that has ox bile extract (just a quarter of a tablet though, because they are very powerful... sounds nasty, I know, but it's better than the indigestion). For fats, I use dried papaya (just an inch or so of the spear). My guess is that it's the fat in the pastry crust that is the problem, since apples, themselves, help to promote digestion. If I use these, I almost never get indigestion, and I don't have to limit what kinds of foods I eat because of indigestion. I have to limit what I eat because of allergies, but that's another matter entirely. |
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17 Jul 08 - 11:53 AM (#2391465) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST Alec, did your doctor say why to not use baking soda? I often use it as an antacid. |
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17 Jul 08 - 12:45 PM (#2391512) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: CarolC The problem with antacids is that they suppress digestion, and over time, they aggravate the problem rather than help it. Digestive enzymes correct the problem of not enough digestive enzymes being present in the digestive tract (the real reason people get indigestion), and they prevent further problems that result from that. Prescription medications are just an expensive way of suppressing symptoms without correcting the problem. |
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17 Jul 08 - 01:39 PM (#2391562) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: Becca72 Often times the problem arises from not enough stomach acid, not too much as is popular belief, so antacids are really just exacerbating the problem... |
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18 Jul 08 - 12:19 PM (#2392178) Subject: RE: BS: Apple Pie = Acid Reflux From: GUEST,Russ The symptoms you describe sound like a heart attack. Has anybody done an EKG on you yet? Russ (Permanent GUEST) |