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01 Jun 99 - 06:45 PM (#83319) Subject: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Susanne (skw) Most sources, including the DT, say this was written by George Ridley, but one says it's by 'Tyneside comedian Joe Wilson'. Does anybody know for sure? - Thanks, Susanne |
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02 Jun 99 - 08:09 AM (#83411) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Ian Well, according to English Folk Songs (http://www.acronet.net/~robokopp/english.html) it's by George Ridley, 1834-1864. Everyone else seems to list it as Traditional (which it obviously wasn't originally but certainly is now). Since "Wor Geordie" was about the most famous of the Geordie music hall composers, it may have been mistakenly attributed to him anyway. The usual conundrum. I haven't found anything on Joe Wilson. You might try e-mailing Alex Glasgow (ghosts@q-net.net.au) who did a show about him once. Cheers! Ian |
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02 Jun 99 - 06:46 PM (#83524) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Susanne (skw) Thanks, Ian! I may do that. Is Alex Glasgow living in Australia, or does the .au come from his provider? - Susanne |
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03 Jun 99 - 05:00 PM (#83780) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Graham Pirt Allan's Tyneside Songs, a publication contemporary with both Wilson and Ridley and which gives their autobiographies does not credit either with Cushie Butterfield. Equally, Bert Lloyd does not name the composer in his work "Folk Song in England" A definitive answer would be really good - especially for someone who's known the song and has just realised he should know the composer! |
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04 Jun 99 - 04:35 AM (#83903) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Murray on Salt Spring Allan's Tyneside Songs (rev. ed. 1891), p. 473, has a biog of Joe Wilson.-- born 1841, and alive at publication time. He was very famous as a Newcastle comedian, and undoubtedly sang Cushy Butterfield, maybe making it more famous than its author, whose career after all lasted only about five years. The tune, as you may know, is that of the London stage song, "Pretty Polly Perkins". |
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04 Jun 99 - 02:58 PM (#84015) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: zander (inactive) Cushie Butterfield was definately written by George Ridley [ see The Seeds of Love by Stephen Sedley, published by Essex Music ] Dave hanson |
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09 Jun 99 - 07:22 PM (#85322) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Susanne (skw) Thanks, Dave, for setting my mind at rest! I'll check out the book when I get to Britain. - Susanne |
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09 Jun 99 - 09:17 PM (#85364) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: bill\sables According to Bert Lloyd in "Come All Ye Bold Miners" it was writen by George Ridley 1834-1864. Cheers Bill |
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13 Mar 04 - 01:42 PM (#1135586) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Joe Offer Nothing in the Traditional Ballad Index, and only this brief entry at folktrax.org:
Any more information we can develop on this? Are the lyrics in the DT correct? -Joe Offer- |
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13 Mar 04 - 02:05 PM (#1135608) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: Malcolm Douglas The DT text is accurately copied from Sedley's book (though he is not credited), where the (presumably original) dialect spelling given by Lloyd has been rendered mostly into standard forms. There isn't much to add to Kennedy's references, except that Roud lists this one (print examples only) at number 3504. |
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13 Mar 04 - 07:27 PM (#1135826) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: GeoffLawes According to Michael Kilgarriff's authoritative tome on the British popular song 1860-1920, Sing Us One Of The Old Songs, Cushie Butterfield is by George Ridley and is "Geordie words to Harry Clifton's earlier Polly Perkins". |
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13 Mar 04 - 08:09 PM (#1135850) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfild: author? From: GeoffLawes PS Kilgarriff also says that the tune is based on the traditional air Nightingales Sing. |
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14 Mar 04 - 03:22 PM (#1136292) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Folkiedave I'll put another plug in for FARNE (Folk Archive Research North East).In this case the relevant entry is at: http://www.asaplive.com/archive/detail.asp?id=T0122001 Regards, Dave www.collectorsfolk.co.uk |
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14 Mar 04 - 04:20 PM (#1136325) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Malcolm Douglas Thanks, Dave. I haven't got into the habit of always looking there yet. You can't actually make viable links using that procedure. I don't know whether it's a deliberate or accidental thing, but it doesn't work. Because it is tedious to have to go through the browse/search procedure on the site itself every time you want to look at something, here are links to the two page-images concerned. Cushey Butterfield (1) Cushey Butterfield (2) Full details of the publication, and of the other important resources available at Farne, can be found (eventually) through the site itself: http://www.asaplive.com/Archive/Index.cfm |
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15 Mar 04 - 03:49 AM (#1136714) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Dave Hanson Suzanne skw, Alex Glasgow died a few years ago. Also check out ' The Blayden Races ' Gannin to see the Geordie Ridley show, In the Mechanics Hall in Bladon. eric |
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15 Mar 04 - 06:06 AM (#1136778) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: s&r Tyneside Songs (1911) gives George Ridley; tune Pretty Polly Perkins arranged by C.E. Catcheside-Warrington (Joe, note spelling) Stu |
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15 Mar 04 - 09:53 AM (#1136965) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Dave Bryant Not only is the tune from "Pretty Polly Perkins of Paddington Green", but the plot is also similiar. I was once told that George Ridley heard Harry Clifton singing "Pretty Polly Perkins" in Lodon and re-worked it as a geordie song. Of course at one time it was used as an advert for Newcastle Brown Ale on Tyne-Tees television with the extra chorus: It's a fine beer, it's a bonny beer, It's the North's biggest sale. For finest satisfaction Newcastle Brown Ale - Newcastle Brown Ale. It was sung by the late Owen Brannigan. |
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15 Mar 04 - 10:02 AM (#1136970) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: The Borchester Echo Oh, I remember that! And 'The Blaydon Races' was used to advertise The Viewer which was the Tyne-Tees version of TV Times: "...Don't be late for Channel 8, be sure and get The Viewer." |
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15 Mar 04 - 06:14 PM (#1137449) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Santa For complete satisfaction... and...it's a bottled beer.... This was in an earlier thread which gave the complete version. Sorry I can't remember where. But I do remember The Viewer. And the One O'Clock Show? Wor Jackie? Don't remember much folk song on it, though. |
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15 Mar 04 - 06:43 PM (#1137479) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: TheBigPinkLad Some excellent info on the Geordie songwriter Joe Wilson can be viewed by clicking here |
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02 Sep 07 - 11:07 AM (#2138866) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: GUEST,Mike C Right. So who *was* George Ridley anyway? I can't find bupkis on him, save that he penned C.B. Thanks Mike |
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02 Sep 07 - 12:29 PM (#2138930) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Q (Frank Staplin) Under lyricists and composers, Michael Kilgarriff, "Sing Us One of the Old Songs," 1998, Oxford Univ. Press, has only this on George Ridley: Ridley, George, 1834-64 Blaydon Races (air, Brighton) 1862 Bobby Cure, The Cushie Butterfield (air, Polly Perkins of Paddington Green, m Harry Clifton) c. 1863 Johnny Luik-Up the Bellman. Under artistes' repertoire, the same songs are listed. A very short life; perhaps not long enough to make a strong impression. |
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02 Sep 07 - 01:12 PM (#2138963) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Malcolm Douglas A certain amount of information on Ridley is available at FARNE, though they have the site set up so that external search engines can't access it. Go to http://www.asaplive.com/Archive/person_search.asp, select 'George Ridley', and you're away. Here is a direct link to a picture there of George 'in character' as 'Johnny Luik-Up': http://www.asaplive.com/farneimages/jpgs/L0106900.JPG |
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21 Apr 08 - 02:19 PM (#2321711) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: GUEST,Geordie I heard that Cushy Butterfield was a Prostitute that is thought to have lived some time in the late 1700's on Newcastle/Gateshead Quayside. The sailors who would travel up the Tyne from far and wide would sing songs about her as they did about other women they had met in different ports and that is how the song we hear today came into being. Geordie |
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21 Apr 08 - 05:41 PM (#2321966) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: GUEST, Tom Grey I think the line 'Aa's a brokken-hearted keelman' gives it away. No indication in the lyrics that she's anything other than a clay seller. |
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22 Apr 08 - 12:21 PM (#2322641) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Jack Blandiver Oh, I remember that! And 'The Blaydon Races' was used to advertise The Viewer which was the Tyne-Tees version of TV Times: "...Don't be late for Channel 8, be sure and get The Viewer." Interesting to note that amongst the ageing members of my family the TV Times still gets called The Viewer... |
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22 Apr 08 - 03:41 PM (#2322856) Subject: RE: Cushie Butterfield: author? From: Graveyard Apparently Mr Ridley had to go into hiding after writing the song as the family of said wench were very upset at the last verse, which mentions her having an affair with a chap from Shipcote in Gateshead. |
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29 Aug 08 - 06:15 AM (#2425250) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,Helen does anyone know where i can get hold of a copy of the brown ale advert sung by owen brannigan?? |
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29 Aug 08 - 08:32 AM (#2425321) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: Dave Sutherland Could be worth trying www.newcastlebrown.com |
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09 Sep 08 - 07:07 AM (#2435027) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,helen tried them, and tried everyone i can think of!!! so frustrating!!!! we have the audio, but need the video as it is for inclusion in a documentary on owen brannigan |
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09 Sep 08 - 07:23 PM (#2435721) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,SINKY A fat geordie tart,arent they all? |
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16 Oct 08 - 04:19 AM (#2467001) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,guest Keith Is Cushie her real name ? or is it a pet name or a shortened name . We know CUSHIE means easy , but whst was her real name ? |
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12 Jan 10 - 05:27 AM (#2809820) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,guest What significance has 'her bedgown is LILAC' in Cushie Butterfield? |
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12 Jan 10 - 05:37 AM (#2809823) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST,guest What significance in Cushie Butterfield has 'her bedgoon is LILAC'? |
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12 Jan 10 - 08:38 AM (#2809910) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: Dave Sutherland Although I have often heard it mispronounced as "lilac", and if you Google the lyrics the majority now state "her petticoat is lilac" (and virtually attribute the song to Sting) however the text from which I learned it stated "Her bedgoon is laelock" which I assumed referred to the knitting or stitching of the said garment? |
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26 Dec 10 - 06:50 PM (#3061696) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: GUEST Geordie Ridley was my Great-Great Grandfather on my mothers side. My Grandmother was very musical, but very poor. Her mother had been disinherited for marrying a music hall type (and the sister of grandmother's mother disinherited for marrying a black man) When I was a child I was quite used to my Grandmother playing the mouth-organ (harmonica) with one hand, while playing the spoons with the other. I used to think that all grandmothers did that! |
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27 Dec 10 - 09:23 AM (#3061913) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: *#1 PEASANT* allans does not mention but remember they were contemporaries and may have come out later than the beuk Conrad |
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27 Dec 10 - 09:46 AM (#3061918) Subject: RE: Origin: Cushie Butterfield From: *#1 PEASANT* not the case it is not in the later edition but as farne states The 1873 edition of Thomas Allan's collection of local song. wonder why not in the later one-available at google.... Conrad |
