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26 Jul 08 - 09:47 AM (#2398270) Subject: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,Brent Holl I've been researching the song: Bread and Fishes. On this site the author is listed as Alan Bell with Maypole Music the publisher. On other sites the composer is listed as Tommy Makem. I'm very interested to solve this dilemma and know who actually owns the song. Any further info from anyone? |
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26 Jul 08 - 10:01 AM (#2398278) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Ruth Archer Alan Bell wrote it. |
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26 Jul 08 - 01:16 PM (#2398353) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Dick The Box Seconded |
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26 Jul 08 - 01:19 PM (#2398356) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST Alan Bell |
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26 Jul 08 - 03:08 PM (#2398399) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: MartinRyan In fact, this Makem site clearly acknowledges same. Regards |
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26 Jul 08 - 04:55 PM (#2398437) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Joe Offer Good excuse for a promo for a friend: Seamus Kennedy did a lovely recording of Bread and Fishes on his Goodwill to Men CD. You can hear a brief clip of Alan Bell singing this song at codamusic.co.uk. And an article about Alan Bell at folkmusic.net -Joe- |
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26 Jul 08 - 05:02 PM (#2398440) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: McGrath of Harlow Alan Bell, and the Fylde Folk Festival |
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26 Jul 08 - 06:41 PM (#2398493) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Fliss The first time I heard 'Bread and Fishes' was on Songs of Praise.. years ago. It came from Fylde. I took ages to find the words. In the end I found the Fylde Festival website and emailed Alan. And I bought his song book. Ive also been to a workshop day 'Up North' I think run by Alan. I acted as driver for a disabled friend of mine who was running the Bodhran workshop. I managed to sneak onto the melodian workshop with my english concertina and learned a couple of tunes. |
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27 Jul 08 - 07:35 AM (#2398671) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Leadfingers TWO major problems - People who learn songs from CD/ Album , and only credit the SINGER as the source , and the PRO Performers who change one word in someone else's song , and copyright it ! |
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05 Jan 21 - 02:55 PM (#4086620) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,Maggie Harp Could this songs have even earlier origins. My mother (who would have turned 100 this year) said she had learned it from her mother, who passed away in 1955. ???? |
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05 Jan 21 - 03:04 PM (#4086622) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,# The song is sometimes called 'Wind in the Willows' or 'Bread and Fishes. See https://www.irishsongs.com/lyrics.php?Action=view&Song_id=391 |
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06 Jan 21 - 03:26 AM (#4086665) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: r.padgett At least Alan Bell is credited with the lyrics Ray |
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06 Jan 21 - 05:39 AM (#4086675) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,henryp Alan Bell interviewed by Dave Jones in The Living Tradition "The easiest song I ever wrote was 'Bread & Fishes'. It was a Wednesday afternoon, I had the idea and the tune, I'd been doing some paperwork and began singing the song, and I jotted it down and finished it in about two hours. I sang it at the club on the following Tuesday, it went down all right, but was a bit long, so I cut it down and suddenly many other artists were singing it too. I've heard it introduced many times as a traditional song, the Irish call it 'The Wind In The Willows', and insist it's traditional Irish, but I take it as a great compliment. |
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06 Jan 21 - 06:47 AM (#4086680) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Acorn4 Just talk to John Connolly about "Fiddlers' Green" for a similar situation. |
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06 Jan 21 - 07:31 AM (#4086687) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,Jerry I suppose this is a pre-Internet example of fake news; people will believe false information if they want or at least prefer it to be true. In this case some will readily assume that a song is traditional when it was actually written by the likes of Alan Bell, John Connolly, Ralph McTell, Ewan MacColl, etc in a style that might well seem to be traditional. I daresay some of them might feel flattered at such an assumption, but not sure I wouldn’t be annoyed in their shoes; I get a bit pigged off when people pinch my jokes for their own stage banter, but maybe I shouldn’t. |
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06 Jan 21 - 08:14 AM (#4086692) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,henryp A couple of further examples; Tony Deane, who wrote Following the Old Oss for Padstow 'Obby 'Oss festival. And Ewan MacColl; When I finished writing [The Shoals of Herring], we sang it to Sam Larner on our next trip up. He was delighted that I knew it for, as he declared, 'I known that song all my life'. |
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06 Jan 21 - 08:15 AM (#4086693) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,Ray It isn’t unusual mistaking “written” things as traditional. Alan Bell did it himself when he wrote words to the tune “The Dark Island”. |
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06 Jan 21 - 08:15 AM (#4086694) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Jim McLean This happens to me all the time with “The Massacre of Glencoe”. I wrote it in 1963 and I’ve even seen it on a Nova Scotia site as trad. |
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06 Jan 21 - 08:54 AM (#4086699) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Alan told the tale that he heard his son singing "Bread and Fishes" and told him that he had written it. The reply was "You can't have, we learnt it in school!" Robin |
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06 Jan 21 - 09:30 AM (#4086707) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: Jim McLean That was a similar comment I heard from a young girl about the Massacre. Mind you I wrote it in 1963 so schoolchildren of that area are grandparents now! |
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06 Jan 21 - 11:57 AM (#4086732) Subject: RE: Origins: Bread and Fishes From: GUEST,Ray Alan did once tell me that one of his songs, which he hadn’t recorded/released, was hawked around various publishers without success but he eventually heard the tune on a Paul Simon record. |