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27 Jul 08 - 02:20 PM (#2398821) Subject: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,mg Well, I think it is going to Be Kaine...he is fine as are the others being named, except for one. I am personally for Sebelius, and I bet that she would be the one Obama would most like to work with, but there are other considerations. I wouldn't be surprised if she had a cabinet post...I heard Rendell talkinga bout transportation..I want a really good transportation bully almost, and he might be the one...I don't know his qualifications in that area but he sounded knowledgeable. I want a train expert especially, and I want someone who knows how to move people and move material in case of a disaster, which I believe is an appalling problem we have that seems to constnatly overwhelm us. I also want some of our perfectly good stuff saved from landfills and sent either overseas or to economically deprived areas of our country for use or refurbishing or stripping for materials and components. Energy..very important...I don't know who. Agriculture..very important..perhaps Schweitzer of Montana. Health...CLinton ..I know they probably have switched cabinets around when I wasn't looking...HUD??? Someone said Dodd..fine with me. Interior..they are saying Robert Kennedy. I don't have a strong opinion. State..No idea. I think it will be Richardson. AG: John Edwards is involved perhaps in a problem that could affect him being chosen, if true..he would be my first choice. THings I do not understand..why people are suggesting Hagel for VP. He is a republican. Put him in the cabinet but not VP for democrats. Caroline Kennedy for VP??? What??????? that makes no sense at all and arn't we trying to get away from Dynasties??? I actually can see her on Supreme COurt, although I am not sure she meets any qualifications. They say MacGaskill?? for Treasury or accounting or whatever. I don't have an opinion. Oh yes, my favorite..General HOnore for Fema or something similar. mg |
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27 Jul 08 - 02:31 PM (#2398827) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Bobert I don't think it's going to be Kaine who has just had a year long losing battle with ther Republican controled state house... Unlike Mark Warner, Tim just doesn't have any victories and brings nothing in the way of foriegn policy experience... I still believe that Bill Richardson is the best choice... And I still believe that Powell would be a great choice for State... H eknows the players and with an Obama foriegn policy Powell would excel... Edwards??? Yeah, AG... Bill Clinton: US Ambassador to the UN... Hillary: Best off where she is... Defense: Wesley Clark or Jim Webb... Treasury: Robert Riche or Bloomburg... Health & Welfare: Caroline Kennedy... Homeland Security: Hagel ot R. Kennedy, Jr... Interior: ??? |
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27 Jul 08 - 02:44 PM (#2398837) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Donuel The current Bush built Homeland Security Agency is a KGB wanna be that would be best turned into an EFFECTIVE FEMA. |
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27 Jul 08 - 03:07 PM (#2398857) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor I certainly agree that Hillary can do more in the senate. Is Harry Reid's seat safe. If it is Obama should make him an ambassador. |
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27 Jul 08 - 03:24 PM (#2398877) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: John on the Sunset Coast Personally, mg & Bobert, I don't think John McCain will choose any of those folks. LOL |
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27 Jul 08 - 03:30 PM (#2398880) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Ron Davies Tim Kaine has a "faith-based opposition to abortion". Is that an obstacle to being VP? |
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27 Jul 08 - 03:34 PM (#2398884) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor I don't think that there is any chance that the president or VP choice on either party will be on the other side of the abortion issue. |
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27 Jul 08 - 03:56 PM (#2398897) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Ron Davies I tend to agree, Jack. Nunn, on the other hand, unlike Kaine, is in favor of Roe v Wade, as I understand. He would also be a good choice for a host of other reasons, which we've discussed already. And I'd still like to hear what Doug R, BB, etc. think of Jindal for McCain's VP. For some reason they don't seem to want to comment on this choice. |
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27 Jul 08 - 04:08 PM (#2398904) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Jindal would help Obama, as would the selection of a woman. It would take the bigotry out of the battle. The old McCain would have had the nerve to make such a choice. But I don't think that this new Bushified one does. |
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27 Jul 08 - 05:02 PM (#2398938) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Ron Davies I have to say I disagree. I think Jindal would actually help McCain. After all he must appeal outside registered Republicans--especially to independents. And Jindal is very strongly anti-abortion. On quite a few social issues, McCain is considered by conservatives to be wobbly. Jindal would, however, help Obama insofar as anybody in favor of Roe v Wade would realize they must support Obama. |
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27 Jul 08 - 06:22 PM (#2398972) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: pdq I will not comment on this story other than to suggest that a Republican in the same situation would be hounded by the news media ad mauseum... "John Edwards's 2 A.M. Bathroom Break It's so funny what the main stream media choses to report. Some National Inquirer Reports got a hint that Rielle Hunter was in a Hotel in Los Angeles. Who is Rielle Hunter? A former John Edwards Aide, rumored to be in an Affair with the North Carolina Politician. What's so important about Mrs. Rielle? She is Pregnant. Now normally, you don't believe what you see on the front of the National Enquirer, but when it can be confirmed by the Security Guard who had to escort Edwards from the Hotel Bathroom, it's just plain funny. I'm sorry, I had to get to the good part first, Rewind. Enquirer reporters spotted Rielle going into a room, then later that night they spotted Edwards leaving the same room. When approached by the reports, Edwards ran into a bathroom and waited 15 minutes for help getting past the reporters. Edwards was in Los Angeles working on his National Poverty campaign, while his Wife is at home dealing with her Cancer. A little Backround Info Edwards was linked to Rielle Hunter earlier this year when accused of an Affair. Edwards DENIED the claims. A source close to Rielle said, "Rielle told me she had a secret affair with Edwards. When she found out she was pregnant, she said he was the father. Rielle, pregnant but not showing, relocates from New York City to Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Into, the GOVERNORS CLUB, a gated community containing MULTI MILLION DOLLAR HOMES. And it's only 5 miles from John Edwards' National Campaign Headquarters. A key John Edwards' campaign official and long time friend, Andrew Young made all the arrangements. Young lives in the same gated community with his wife and children. After months of scandal and rumors, Edwards, Rielle, and Young get a story together. Young is the father of Rielle's child. He even had the audacity to bring his wife and children to dinner at Rielle's new living quarters. If you believe that, I got a timeshare I want to sell you. Even funnier, it's not in the News. But, I got an epiphany. Most Extreme Liberal Democrats don't have any morals. So when they cheat on their spouses, it's not news worthy. Most Extreme Conservative Republicans preach Super Morals, so when they have affairs, they should be held accountable for their indiscretions. July 26th, 2008 Categories: MY POLITICS | Author: Sonskystar | Comments: | " |
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27 Jul 08 - 06:30 PM (#2398983) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Yes, Republicans are hounded. So, as you have just pointed out, are Democrats who are not even running for office. Even country singers and washed up actors are hounded by the Inquirer. Such ARE the tabloids. |
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27 Jul 08 - 06:50 PM (#2399000) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: pdq "...Democrats who are not even running for office..." Perhaps I have missed a major news story? When did John Edwards stop being the #1 candidate for vice-president? |
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27 Jul 08 - 06:55 PM (#2399006) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor I don't know. I saw him on an interview say he wouldn't run as VP. He said that he'd done that once and wouldn't again. I'm pretty sure it was the week he dropped out. That was what? Three months ago? I've been taking him at his word and ignoring the speculation. I saw the story you posted and wondered if that was why he dropped out. But I also think that unless he campaigns or runs, that is not my business. |
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27 Jul 08 - 07:36 PM (#2399026) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: DougR Ron Davies: Shucks, I never knew you put any stock in my opinion about anything, but since you await with baited breath, here goes. I don't think McCain will select the current governor of Louisiana because he is too darn valuable serving where he is. Louisiana has to have SOMEBODY with his intelligence to keep the state from floating away during the next Hurricane. The mayor of New Orleans certainly was no help during the last "big one." I've been enjoying reading "catters" suggestions for people to fill Obama's cabinet should the voters in the United States be foolish enough to elect him as President next November. Bobert's suggesting Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. as the next Secretary of Homeland Security. LOL! Were Obama to do so, the Border Patrol would likely be equipped with wet noodles to discourage illegals from entering our country. DougR |
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27 Jul 08 - 07:51 PM (#2399033) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Riginslinger Of course Obama will have to pick a VP before the election. He'll never have to pick a cabinet. |
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27 Jul 08 - 08:08 PM (#2399043) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: pdq Sure about that, Rigs? He may want to remodel his kitchen next year in his copious spare time. |
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27 Jul 08 - 08:23 PM (#2399054) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: John on the Sunset Coast I'm racking my brain and trying to think when the presumed (or hopeful) Presidential candidate picked his VP. This used to be a function of the Party Nominating Convention. In this sound bite, hip-hop, everything has to be quick--except the election cycle--why should the candidate pick the bottom of the ticket? And who really cares about a VP nominee anyway? When is the last time anyone said, "I was going to vote for X, until he chose Y as a running mate."? When Mondale picked Geraldine Ferraro that was supposed to get him the women's votes. It didn't. I've been voting for the last 46 years (not starting in a Presidential year). The last forty of them has seen the process get more and more F'd Up. It angers me, and I don't know what to do about it. And that angers me more. Apparently the Big Three networks don't consider the conventions newsworthy enough to do gavel to gavel coverage anymore; will the cable newsies do it? But what if you don't have cable? I guess you're SOL. Grumble! Growl! I'm gonna go eat dinner now. |
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27 Jul 08 - 09:06 PM (#2399080) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor John, You'll be able to get pretty extensive coverage on MSNBC.com . From what I know of your political leanings, you should avoid "Countdown." "Morning Joe" is probably more your cup of tea. Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman from Pensecola Florida, will give you the analysis you need. |
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27 Jul 08 - 09:37 PM (#2399099) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: Ron Davies OK pdq, let's be a little more direct. If McCain were to pick Jindal, would you have any objections to Jindal as VP? |
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27 Jul 08 - 09:52 PM (#2399109) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: John on the Sunset Coast Well I'm guessing that if one doesn't have cable/satellite, one probably doesn't have the internet...some exceptions, of course. Jack, you certainly know my political proclivities, but believe it or not, I don't listen to Conservative pundits all the time.. In fact, I regularly listen to, and participate when I can get in, to a local talk show hosted by a left leaning host. During the hours of dark when KGO out of San Francisco comes south I listen to a host (neither a fan of the current president, the Republican nominee or the War), and on weekends John Rothmann, also left leaning. These are all literate, issue oriented (as opposed to personal attacks Air America type hosts often engage in) talk shows. Rothmann, by the way, is the co-author of a book about the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, "Icon of Evil", which I'm looking forward to reading. [Perhaps your Missus would like to read it too, and we can discuss it. Just a thought.] I do listen to two nationally syndicated conservative talk show most days, but hardly ever the 'Big Two or Three', and assorted other shows as time permits. I don't watch the cable shows much, because they're usually looking for sound bites, a method of opinion I don't find useful. I do especially avoid the Countdown show, and didn't know Scarborough was still on the air. I also avoid Mr. Vacuous, Larry King. So tell me which Conservative talk shows do you listen to, Jack? What's the fun of listening only to folks who parrot your preconceived ideas? JotSC |
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27 Jul 08 - 10:02 PM (#2399114) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: pdq I have never heard of Jindal. I live in a county in Nevada with a population density of 10 people per square mile. I like it that way. I have a 12" B&W TV that has been looked at twice in the last ten years, both to observe disasters. One of those events was the 2001 Trade Tower arocity, the other was the Giants World series performance against the Anaheim Angles. I am not a politico, I am a non-practicing biologist. Hope that helps explain things. |
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28 Jul 08 - 12:26 PM (#2399513) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: John on the Sunset Coast Whilst at the gym this AM, I saw a crawl on MSNBC, or some such, which indicated that John McCain might announce a running mate this week. How dumb can that be? It gives the Obama group another thing to carp about until the GOP Convention. BTW, I will say the same regarding Barock Obama, if he so announces a running mate |
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28 Jul 08 - 01:20 PM (#2399570) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor I don't listen to talk shows much, unless you count "Talk to the Nation on NPR." Talk of the Nation is a lot more concerned with presenting information than expousing a point of view. I listen to Limbaugh and Bortz and Savage a couple of times a year mostly so that I know what is going on in that realm. All of them show a lot of ego and little knowledge. I like the news shows much more than the opinion shows. I do like Olberman because his coverage is accurate and his comments are funny. Joe has a morning show on MSNBC called "Morning Joe" He has moderated his politics just a little and the show had that cheery morning show vibe. On the other hand, I think that you would find Olberman's comments more irritating than funny. |
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28 Jul 08 - 01:50 PM (#2399607) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: John on the Sunset Coast That's why I don't listen to them or Hannity, Jack. Perhaps you might try a more informed, literate Conservative talker, Dennis Prager. If he's not available in your area, he is available online. Perhaps 'a couple of times a year' is not enough to really know the other side; perhaps once a week or once a month might give you a better sampling of Conservative thought. |
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28 Jul 08 - 02:07 PM (#2399614) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor A couple of times a year is plenty for Brortz, Savage and Limbaugh. None have changed a hair. I've been sampling Limbaugh for more than 10 years. And again. I am not so much interested in thought as I am in news. I can think for my self and when I went to University, the Business Faculty were proponents of Reagan and my Economics Profs were a step away from Communism. I've known the arguments for a long time. I am not interested in social conservatism. The government should stay out of our bedroom. Period. The churches should stay out of government. Period. I know enough about psychology to know that deregulation can't work. I decided this in about 1988. I have seen nothing since then to change my mind. On the other hand. I have seen that over-regulation causes problems. But we can't rely on self interest and greed to set public priorities. That's what has caused the housing crisis and our dependence the worst governments to supply most of our oil. It was said that "What is good for General Motors is good for America." To a large degree that was true. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Exxon or United Health Care. The approach that is needed is not to drown government in the bath tub. Government is a necessary evil. What is needed is to put our best people in government and to have them work hard to improve it and make it work. We need to stop treating politics like NASCAR. We need to stop picking a side and cheering them no matter what they do. We need to hold the people we elect to their word. Make them do what they promised Democrats need to push the Democrats to do better. Republicans need to push the Republicans. |
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28 Jul 08 - 02:30 PM (#2399632) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: DougR MSNBC, JTS? You think MSNBC is unbiased? No wonder you are so close-minded to conservative ideas. Try a variety pack. You may (though I'm not betting on it)hear or read something that might cause you to think in a more balanced way. DougR |
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28 Jul 08 - 02:37 PM (#2399642) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor DougR I didn't say that MSNBC was unbiased. I said that they generally present news rather than opinion. They are biased, but they are not biased for the Democrats. They are biased for ratings. They will always stress the provocative angle. Listening to a bunch of uncivilized wing nuts like Hannity and Limbaugh calling people names is not balance. It is an exercise in closing ones mind. |
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28 Jul 08 - 06:15 PM (#2399850) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: PoppaGator Bobby Jindal hasn't held any office long enough to show us a real track record. He is very good at running for office, however; he's able to inspire confidence in a pretty broad spectrum of voters as an obviously brainy technocrat who is also a Hindu convert to Catholicism with solid "social conservative" credentials. His tenure as state director of health and hospitals in Louisiana lasted longer than either of his forays into elected office ~ his so-far-brief governorship and his single term in Congress. Fiscal conservatives gave him high marks for tightening up the health-department budget; poor folks (and many social-worker state employees) were dismayed by the dimished availability of public health facilities. The first session of the Louisiana legislature came to an end a few weeks ago. Governor Jindal let a record number of bills become law without his signature, for whatever reason I'm sure I don't know. One of the very few bills that he did make it a point to sign was one mandating the teaching of "intelligent design" in the public schools. Several of his professors at prestigious Brown University, where he studied biology as a pre-med student, expressed shock and disappointment that he would so obviously pander to the anti-science crowd. If I sound a little harsh, I don't really mean to. Gov. Jindal offers a lot more hope to Louisiana than most other politicians of both parties, because he IS intelligent, and quite young to boot. As a Republican in the South, I suppose that he has to meet certain expectations. If he truly manages to bring about the ethical reform he promises, it'll be worth almost anything else he does ~ but the odds are against him; he wouldn't be the first reformer to ride to the Governoer's Mansion on a white horse only to find the pervading culture of financial corruption impossible to displace. |
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29 Jul 08 - 10:32 AM (#2400308) Subject: RE: BS: New speculations on VP and cabinet From: GUEST,Ron Davies What's the story on the recall effort against him? I've read that the problem was he let a raise in pay for legislators (first one in quite a while) go without a veto. And the reason he did it was they had promised to pass some legislation he wanted. But now the recall try has faded. Any truth to this? Any more to the story? |