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15 Aug 08 - 07:02 AM (#2414423) Subject: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor NEW YORK (Billboard) - Singer-songwriter Jackson Browne is suing Republican presidential nominee John McCain and the Republican party for using his song "Running on Empty" in a recent TV commercial. Jackson Brown is suing McCain for "false endorsement" Apparently the campaign has no respect for intellectual property. That's the kind of experience we need when dealing with China. :-D |
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15 Aug 08 - 07:33 AM (#2414436) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Barry Finn I can't imagine the milage that Obama should be able to get out of this, hopefully. Barry |
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15 Aug 08 - 08:16 AM (#2414460) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger It seems funny to me that they would use a song like that without the artist's permission, unless it's been around long enough to public domain. |
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15 Aug 08 - 08:30 AM (#2414473) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Bobert Well, yeah, Barry... I can see the ad now... The picture: The ad begins with a shot from above looking down a long deserted section of an midwestern raod and slowly pans to the back of an old, half bald white haired man walkin', white shirt all crumply, baggy suit pants and alot of dust... Just that classic lonely hot dusty road and this old man is carryin' a gas can... Music: Ry Cooder-ish eerie "Southern Comfort-ish" slide guitar Then after about 15 seconds of just watching this man half stumble down the road and as the camera slowly pans this man out making him look smaller and smaller "the voice": "Some folks run on empty... Other's aren't as lucky" Vote Obama." Then a quick dhot of Obama in a freshly pressed suit sitting comfortably among a number of people: "I'm Barak Obama and I approve this messaqge." Intent: While McCain's folks have defended the Paris Hilton ad as just being funny Obama's people can be ready to counter with the same argument if the McCain people balk... Beyond that, the image of the long deserted road sybolizes the failures of the Bush administration. The empty gas can symbolizes the lack of workable policies of McCain's... The crumply look and age of the man walking is obvious and is a shot at McCain's age (Hey, this is politics, ain't it)... And lastly, the ad would put the McCain people on the defensive and open up an opportunty for Obama to counter with, "The McCain people didn't seem to mind it when they were playing games with me... What's good for the goose is also good for the gander, John... Now if you'd like to get back to some straight talk about a clean campaign then give me a call." The only thing that would make this ad better would be for Jackson Brown to allow Obama to use the song in the ad... B~ |
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15 Aug 08 - 10:08 AM (#2414565) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger Jackson Brown probably would allow Obama to use the song, but the suit is probably going to help McCain more than the ad would have. |
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15 Aug 08 - 10:14 AM (#2414573) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: pdq Actually, it will help Jackson Browne most of all. Nobody in the music industry has taken him seriously for 20 years. I bet sales of his older stuff goes way up. |
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15 Aug 08 - 11:14 AM (#2414622) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger That's true, pdq, but the news media will play it over and over, and over to the detriment of Obama, and I don't think Brown can sue them because now it's a "news item." |
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15 Aug 08 - 11:19 AM (#2414628) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: pdq True, but also think about this use in terms of "satire" and "political speech". Both concepts have been used to justify a wide variety of strange things in recent years. |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:14 PM (#2414674) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,number 6 They (Obama and McCain's campaign teams)) should use the Band's "Life is a Carnival" ..... more appropriate I think. biLL |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:30 PM (#2414686) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Little Hawk I take Jackson Browne seriously, pdq. He's a great singer and musician. He's not young anymore, however. Same goes for most of us, doesn't it? McCain's been running on empty since the beginning, far as I can see. |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:41 PM (#2414699) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Little Hawk By the way, this entire 2008 American election campaign is a farce. The rest of the world watches it with a mixture of horror, amazement, and disgust. If McCain wins, that sense of horror will only deepen. If Obama wins, we will wait with some trepidation but some slender hopes as well to see just what happens next. |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:45 PM (#2414705) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,number 6 The U.S. as a whole is running on empty (econmically and state of mind) ... I feel it requires quite a big shakeup to survive it's demise and personally I don't think McCain or Obama can provide what is required to remedy the situation .... they need something a bit more radical and out of the mainstream. biLL |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:47 PM (#2414712) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Bobert I would love it if Jackson Brown gave Obama rights to use the song... Then there wouldn't be any narrative to the above ad that I have created... Just' Obama sayin' "And I approve this message"... Great ad... Piss the old guy off purdy good, too... B~ |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:50 PM (#2414714) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,number 6 LH ... I agree with your post ... "this entire 2008 American election campaign is a farce. The rest of the world watches it with a mixture of horror, amazement, and disgust" biLL |
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15 Aug 08 - 12:53 PM (#2414717) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor McCain steals from more artists. |
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15 Aug 08 - 01:03 PM (#2414734) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity They're ALL 'RUNNING ON EMPTY'..including the empty headed people that are counting on and believing anything that spews from their mouths! |
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15 Aug 08 - 01:09 PM (#2414743) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,nimber 6 I can't help but agree Sanity ... but, democracy will prevail and the people will get what they voted for .... again. biLL |
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15 Aug 08 - 01:14 PM (#2414751) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Guesr from Sanity Democracy??? Is that where we get whooped up over Fiddly Dee or Fiddly Dum and whatever phony the prop up in front of us, then try to convince us that these two clowns represent US?? ..while the news media propagandizes us to make us think there is actually a difference between the two????????? |
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15 Aug 08 - 01:17 PM (#2414757) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Amos Boy, lass--if you don't think there's a difference between the two main candidates rigth now, your people map is folded up all wrong and put away wet. A |
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15 Aug 08 - 01:53 PM (#2414799) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: PoppaGator Amen to Amos. I'm sympathetic to the point of view that both mainstream parties are similarly hooked up with the status quo, but they're hardly identical, and the contrast between these two particular nominees could hardly be any sharper. Rig, i cannot for the life of me understand where you're coming from when you say "the news media will play it over and over, and over to the detriment of Obama..." Do you actually belive that the ad is making a valid point? If the news media do indeed run the clip repeatedly, it will in the context of reporting on the copyright-violation angle and, significantly, on the fact that the songwriter was blindsided and strongly objects. Continued attention to the ad and to the issue may not change many minds ~ Republican McCain supporters are unlikely to abandon him because the ad campaign is ethically flawed, they've gotten used to accepting that for a long time. But it's at least equally unlikely, if not moreso, that anyone leaning toward Obama will be deterred by viewing the ad in the context of reports on the controversy surrounding it. |
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15 Aug 08 - 02:52 PM (#2414824) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Barry Finn "If the news media do indeed run the clip repeatedly, it will in the context of reporting on the copyright-violation angle and, significantly, on the fact that the songwriter was blindsided and strongly objects." Agreed but it will aslo continiously highlight the fact(s) that MaCain & company have no reguards for the laws of the land when it comes to political trashing nor do they have the intelligence to not have seen this can of empthy gas come 'fuming' down the highway to begin with. "What Were They Thinking?" They might as well had stolen their campain finance money from the national mint. Idiots Barry |
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15 Aug 08 - 03:09 PM (#2414834) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Different??...that's the illusion! |
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16 Aug 08 - 04:24 AM (#2415282) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: goatfell this guy is a white racist and an idiot but then they are both the same and so are the people that vote for him and his party, the 'republican' party, which is really a fascist party when you look at it, where as the 'democrat' party is the socialist party of America, so your choice vote for either a fascist or socialist party the choice is yours |
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16 Aug 08 - 04:26 PM (#2415573) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Little Hawk The Democrats are "socialist" like a glass of water with one drop of lemon juice in it is real lemonade. ;-) You don't have a socialist party in your American political mainstream. The Democrats and Republicans are both run by major corporate interests, and they both pursue a fascist agenda, but the Republicans do it with a more aggressive outer style, that's all. That style has you fooled. It's all a matter of perception. |
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16 Aug 08 - 09:37 PM (#2415773) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor LH A friend of mine calls it "Skins and Shirts" mentality. Too busy watching the "game" to pay attention to the job they are doing. |
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16 Aug 08 - 10:46 PM (#2415806) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Peace No wonder North America has problems. People actually think there's a difference between Repubs and Dems, Libs and Conservatives. Folks: If they ar so different, why the hell do we dislike what any of 'em do after three years in office? |
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16 Aug 08 - 10:49 PM (#2415809) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Bill D We don't all feel that way. That's a pretty broad generalization. Of course, with the way the world is these days, NO politician is going to be able to solve it all or satisfy any large % of the population. |
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16 Aug 08 - 10:53 PM (#2415810) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger "No wonder North America has problems. People actually think there's a difference between Repubs and Dems, Libs and Conservatives." Yes, I agree with that completely if we are only addressing the mainsteam parties, but people like Ralph Nader really do differ from the major parties. People just need to look deeper before making a decision. Of course a corporate controlled media makes that hard to do, but... |
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17 Aug 08 - 01:08 AM (#2415851) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor I used to think there was not much difference at all between the two parties. Before Bush. Now I see the difference a truly horrible president can make. Though I am open to the possibility that Democrats can screw up. But it would be hard to imagine them picking someone that bad. |
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17 Aug 08 - 01:11 AM (#2415853) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Peace True Bill. But if I cited instances you'd say they are just instances. True about Ralph, but he is never gonna be THE leader. True Jack, but they were following the Bush line until about a year back, and even today I see little difference in the parties. |
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17 Aug 08 - 02:50 AM (#2415884) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Yes Peace, they are quite capable of poor judgement. But it takes leadership to "ef" up like Bush. |
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17 Aug 08 - 10:54 AM (#2416041) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger Whatever Bush did, it doesn't seem to me to be as screwed up as what Lydon Johnson did with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. |
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17 Aug 08 - 11:42 AM (#2416076) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: pdq Or as screwed-up as the Carter foreign policy that wrecked Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and others and led to most of the Islam v West conflicts we are now fighting. |
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17 Aug 08 - 05:23 PM (#2416293) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Carter did that!!??!! LOL!!! Pray tell how? LOL!! |
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17 Aug 08 - 07:46 PM (#2416401) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger Yes, that's a concept I've not heard about Carter. |
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18 Aug 08 - 03:11 PM (#2417112) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: goatfell aye yer right, is this same over here as well no difference between our parties either. |
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18 Aug 08 - 03:25 PM (#2417120) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: CarolC Carter's responsible because he didn't turn Iran into a glass parking lot when that country asserted its sovereignty. Heaven forbid any Muslim countries should have a right to self determination. |
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18 Aug 08 - 03:48 PM (#2417141) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Donuel In a way I'd hate to see McCain lose and start hawking Viagra the way Bob Dole did after his defeat. Of course if McCain wins the tipping point will be tipped the military wil be down to their last nuclear option and corporations will not only be 100% tax free but they may get legal ownership of their employees. |
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18 Aug 08 - 04:02 PM (#2417158) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Amos "Here's the problem. Because John McCain proposes such an enormous tax cut for the rich, Barack Obama can counter with a plan that offers lower tax rates than McCain's to the vast majority of taxpayers, while still bringing in dramatically higher revenues. The current McCain answer to this dilemma is to try to mislead the public into thinking that Obama favors middle-class tax hikes. McCain could, as Lowry suggests, throw in sub larger middle-class tax cuts to out-bid Obama. But his current plans are already so ridiculously expensive that... well, I don't want to say he can't do it, but at some point it gets too ridiculous. " (RealClearPOlitics) |
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18 Aug 08 - 04:59 PM (#2417205) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Barry Finn So Amos, the "middle-class" is now donw to the like of a chess board? At least we aren't at the checkers level or is that held for the poorer classes. We just don't fit in when it comes to a tax break, we are nt worthy or consideration by those in the high & mighty. Sad that "we are the people". Barry |
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18 Aug 08 - 06:53 PM (#2417294) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: McGrath of Harlow From that newsstory link Jack the Sailor gave us in his opening post: "Senator McCain and the Republicans mock Democratic candidate for president Barack Obama for suggesting that the country conserve gas through proper tire inflation." What kind of ignoramus doesn't know that you don't inflate your tyres to the correct pressure you do actually get fewer miles to the gallon. I suppose the same kind of twit who would laugh at the suggestion that switching off unnecessary lights is a way of reducing the amount of electricity you use. |
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18 Aug 08 - 08:51 PM (#2417373) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor That exchange went as follows. Obama mocked McCain's plan with the truth (ie we'd get more benefit from proper maintenance than drilling). McCain mocked Obama with a lie. (Obama's energy plan is just tire inflation.) The Liberal. Pro-Obama media publicized the Lie over the truth, McCain won. |
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18 Aug 08 - 09:47 PM (#2417401) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Riginslinger So maybe the Pro-Obama media is not necessarily a good thing for him. Possibly people are sick to death about hearing about Obama. |
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18 Aug 08 - 10:43 PM (#2417420) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor Rig, It was sarcasm. I don't think that the media is "pro-Obama". I do not think so because they are not. |
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18 Aug 08 - 10:56 PM (#2417425) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: Amos BArry: Obama's plan includes shifting some of the tax burden off the middle-class. What anyone thinks of this depends on whether they think the progressive tax system should or should not be geared to the cost of survival instead of just gross revenue streams. A |
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18 Aug 08 - 10:59 PM (#2417427) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor The revenue streams are higher in a progressive system. You can't get blood from a turnip. |
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19 Aug 08 - 12:10 AM (#2417459) Subject: RE: BS: Is McCain 'Running on Empty'? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Hey guys, we cannot afford the stupid entitlements Obama-yo-mama is dangling in front of the 'weak in character'. Where in the world is the money going to come from?..the Federal Reserve??..just print more?? How can we afford McCain's foreign policy??..Print more money, from the Federal reserve?? Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we all become so poor, we are at the dictates of the people who designed this whole mess we're in, and sit and squabble like a bunch of idiots, that they want you to be! In any event, that PRIVATE CORPORATION, the 'Federal Reserve' is just hoping the YOU just turn away from the real battle, and focus on the T.V. clowns, that keep you all so entertained. To make it really interesting, watch the bitch Hillary try to snag the nomination on the floor of the Democrapic Convention!..another act in the soap opera...should get everyone really distracted!!!..Have fun! |