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07 Sep 08 - 01:44 PM (#2433407) Subject: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: nutty I have been reading The Singing Englishman and am intrigued by some songs he quotes in the chapter on 'What Happened to the Work Songs'. I'm intrigued because I haven't come across them before and I wonder if anyone out there has tunes for them or can direct me as to where I can find them. 1) The Careful Carter Oh I am a young man a-driving me team It's all my delight is in keeping them clean Ths is the only song that Lloyd gives a title all the rest are simply lyrics 2) What do you think of our ploughmen now With their high-cutting ploughs and all 3) There's some that sing of the hiring fair And sound out an alarm 4) My love's a ploughboy and follows the plough I promised him it and I'll keep it true 5) The young man and the miller's lass they set out on the hill Hey, with a gay and a grinding, O 6) She pressed herself against the wall Line, twine, the willow and the dee |
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07 Sep 08 - 02:37 PM (#2433449) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: Mick Pearce (MCP) nutty - The 1st I presume is The Carter - I'm sure you've heard Dave and Anni sing this!. There's a version in the DT: The Carter, and at least one thread on it: Origins: The Carter, where Malcolm has some notes on the tune used (I've got the tune from Palmer if you want that). Haven't time to look for the others just now (dinner calls!), the first just caught my eye. Hope you're well. Mick |
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07 Sep 08 - 02:59 PM (#2433461) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: Malcolm Douglas It may be helpful to note that the full texts printed by Lloyd can be seen in the online transcription of The Singing Englishman at Musical Traditions: http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/tse4.htm Comments on two more for now. (4) Roud 3447, 'The Plooman Laddie'. All examples listed are Scottish, and I suspect that Lloyd's 'version' is a cut-down, anglicized re-write of the text printed in Ord. If that's the case, then the tune would be 'The Rigs o' Rye' (also in Ord, p 31). (6) Although this is a 'Cruel Mother' text, the only example listed in Roud that begins with that line is Marina Russell's; she only had two verses and didn't use that refrain, which, though not especially uncommon, isn't usually (I suspect never, except here) found with this song. Lloyd may have 'collected' it, but he may equally well have cobbled it together himself from various sources. No clue as to the 'right' tune, then, though Mrs Russell's (Bronson, I, 281, and Journal of the Folk-Song Society, III (11) 1907, 70) could be made to fit. |
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07 Sep 08 - 03:32 PM (#2433485) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: Desert Dancer Here's the starting page for the online Singing Englishman at Musical Traditions (menu for the sections at the top). ~ Becky in Tucson |
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07 Sep 08 - 06:15 PM (#2433621) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: nutty Unfortunately it isn't complete. I haven't checked all the text but there are two whole pages missing from the 'What Happened to the Work Songs' section |
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07 Sep 08 - 10:27 PM (#2433766) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: Malcolm Douglas So there are; pages 58 and 59 to be precise, which ought to appear between 'It's like a raging storm' and 'Stock raising is another thing'. We'd better let Rod know; presumably nobody has mentioned it to him yet, though the book has been there for a couple of years now. Still, the extra lyrics that may help people to answer your questions are there; bar the final two verses of 'There's some that sing of the hiring fair', which are: On cabbage cold and taters They'll feed you like the pigs, While they sit at their tea and toast, And ride about in gigs. The mistress must get "Ma'am" and you Must lift your cap to her; And before you find an entrance The master must get "Sir." The harvest time when it come round They'll grudge you sabbath rest. They'll let you go to worship, But they like the working best. The dinner hour it vexes them And then to us they'll say, "Come on, my lads, you'll get your rest, When lying in the clay." |
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08 Sep 08 - 12:15 PM (#2434212) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: Saro The song about the Hiring Fair is sometimes known as The Term Time. Don Morgan wrote a tune for it, and you might be able to get hold of this via someone from lews Folk Club. Saro |
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10 Sep 08 - 04:33 AM (#2435948) Subject: RE: Tune Req: AL Lloyd - The Singing Englishman From: nutty Thanks Sarah. I'm sending this round again just in case anyone else can help. |