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07 Sep 08 - 05:29 PM (#2433568) Subject: Tankards From: Jane of 'ull I am fascinated by these things. I saw quite a few in action today at Hull shanty festival! I don't own one, though I am a folk lover and real ale drinker. Do female 'folkies' have them or is it a man thing? I notice you do get them in half pint sizes. I'm not really up on the folk 'scene' so am rather naive on this point you see.. |
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07 Sep 08 - 05:36 PM (#2433580) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B Oh no it's very much a female thing too. One advantage is that it stops you losing beer from those awful thin squishy plastic 'glasses' that many festivals charge you an extra 10p for and you can leave a pub and move on to another venue without leaving your ale behind or supping up more quickly than you'd want. Mind you it gets a bit addictive and one day you suddenly find you own 2 dozen of them :) |
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07 Sep 08 - 06:02 PM (#2433612) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jane of 'ull Excellent. I'm on to one now! I never thought of those advantages. Yeah I hate drinking from plastic too! Just been looking online - I quite like those leather ones.. |
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07 Sep 08 - 06:15 PM (#2433623) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B ohh I've got one of those blackjacks Jane (half pint size) They are really very nice but be careful not to squeeze them and crack the proofing interior. If you look in your local charity shops you can always find some good quality pewter tankards at very low prices but cider is a no no becuase of it's acidic qualities. My favourite 'tankard' is in fact an early Victorian half pint measure (complete with standard mark) but it is very heavy in lead content. Good luck and slainté. |
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07 Sep 08 - 06:20 PM (#2433627) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Folkiedave I am with Emma on this one. I foten nip into a charity shop looking for them and it is rare that there isn't one. I never pay more than £3.00 and that's for top notch stuff. One year at Warwick Festival there was a stall selling them - clearly someone who had been around charity shops and just picked them up, marked them up and seemed to be doing a good trade. Another tip - some hold more than a pint....shhhhhhhh |
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07 Sep 08 - 06:23 PM (#2433630) Subject: RE: Tankards From: LesB Another advantage is that in a concert, at a featival you can put them on the floor, with much less chance of them being knocked over. (Having had my feet soaked at Fylde by the chap in the row in front kicking his full pint over) Cheers Les |
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07 Sep 08 - 08:30 PM (#2433702) Subject: RE: Tankards From: the button "Another tip - some hold more than a pint....shhhhhhhh" Thanks for that, Folkiedave. I'd often wondered.... |
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07 Sep 08 - 08:34 PM (#2433705) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jane of 'ull I reckon I'll seek out some charity shop ones and 'personalise' them by engraving. |
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07 Sep 08 - 08:43 PM (#2433710) Subject: RE: Tankards From: bobad Can someone elucidate the association between tankards and festivals for us colonialists across the Atlantic. |
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07 Sep 08 - 08:54 PM (#2433717) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B Well many festivals are based in towns and use local hostelries. To buy a drink may require you to 'buy' a glass (i.e. put down a £1 deposit or similar) or alternatively drink out of some flimsy plasic container that spills half your drink when you attempt to pick it up. It has also been known for pubs to run out of clean glasses from time to time. As sessions are also held in these pubs you may wish to move from one to another venue without necessarily quoffing your ale in one go; a tankard enables you to take your drink with you. Maybe you just have to be there :) |
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07 Sep 08 - 08:58 PM (#2433719) Subject: RE: Tankards From: bobad Well, that seems to be a rather quaint and ecology friendly practice. thank you Emma B. |
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07 Sep 08 - 09:05 PM (#2433724) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jane of 'ull I like the look of the Georgian ones. Do you get ceramic ones too? I think I'd like one of those. |
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07 Sep 08 - 09:10 PM (#2433732) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B They don't 'bounce' quite as well Jane :) |
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07 Sep 08 - 09:17 PM (#2433739) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jane of 'ull And I guess slamming them down on the table to a rousing chorus isnt possible with ceramics! |
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07 Sep 08 - 09:38 PM (#2433745) Subject: RE: Tankards From: the button Should disaster strike, you could always keep the bits, and stick them in a Tupperware container -- instant ceramic shakey egg. |
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07 Sep 08 - 10:54 PM (#2433774) Subject: RE: Tankards From: open mike i used to have one that had a curved handle..looked like a ram's horn. fit neatly tied onto a belt at the renaissance faire..alas pewter must have a low melting temp as there is no sign of it since the fire... |
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08 Sep 08 - 02:42 AM (#2433826) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Gurney Sure does, lass. If you get a leak in one, you can mend it with a soldering iron. But, you have to be careful, you can melt your way right throuh it.... I'd hesitate to drink wine or fruit juice out of pewter with an unknown lead content. |
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08 Sep 08 - 02:47 AM (#2433827) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Dave (Bridge) Get one with a lid and it keeps the wasps out. |
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08 Sep 08 - 05:10 AM (#2433864) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Micca If you drink Cider or ANYTHING that may be acidic get a stainless steel tankard (I have been searching for years for a Stainless with alid to keep out the wasps) the advantages of SS are:- 1 they bounce even better than pewter 2 if you "inadvertently" hit someone with it they stay Hit!!! 3 they do not poison you by leeching Cadmium or lead into your drink 4 you do not have to "think" about what you pour into it as it is inert to most commonly met drinks 5 they stay shiny . |
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08 Sep 08 - 05:24 AM (#2433871) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B Oh Micca the beauty of pewter is that lovely old patina. I agree a tankard with a lid is also great for stopping your beer getting watered down when you are looking after a gate at our rainy summer festivals :) |
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08 Sep 08 - 05:41 AM (#2433878) Subject: RE: Tankards From: GUEST,Sapper STILL stuck in Derby I'll echo Micca's comments regarding pewter tankards, but the problem is lead, not cadmium. Modern pewter is lead free, so isn't so bad, but drinking cider out of the the older alloy is certainly a no-no!! |
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08 Sep 08 - 05:49 AM (#2433884) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Folkiedave And amongst the selections of festival tankards I have is one made of stainles steel. Eat your heart out Micca. |
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08 Sep 08 - 05:57 AM (#2433890) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Paul Burke I had a nickel tankard once, a bloody great quart mug. Certainly held a lot of beer, but unfortunatley made it go flat in no time at all. As for glass bottoms in tankards, to pre-empt any turn of the conversation that way, it WASN'T to avoid getting the King's Shilling slipped into your drink. It was so you could see if the beer was cloudy. |
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08 Sep 08 - 06:06 AM (#2433897) Subject: RE: Tankards From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work Be careful about dented ones... they will hold less than a pint so it goes both ways. More on our collection of 20+ tankards later... LTS |
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08 Sep 08 - 06:23 AM (#2433904) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Will Fly Mmm... thinks... I have a very nice George V tankard in the cupboard - must get it out. Some seaside pubs I know won't serve any drinks other than in a plastic glass if you say you're going to drink it outside (!). I once had an argument with a girl behind the bar who wouldn't serve me a glass of wine and insisted I drink it from a plastic wine glass. I told her it tasted horrid from plastic, but she "knew best" and aid she had to obey house rules. So - question: what would you experienced tankard users recommend for wine? I do like beer but sometimes can't always drink it. |
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08 Sep 08 - 06:36 AM (#2433910) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B Bearing in mind what has been said about old pewter and acidic drinks there are plenty of attractive metal goblets for your margharita, dry martini or even a nice Chablis like these |
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08 Sep 08 - 06:38 AM (#2433911) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Will Fly Thanks for that link Emma B - the one in the middle looks great. I might invest! |
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08 Sep 08 - 06:45 AM (#2433917) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Will Fly Well now - look at this lot... Heavy metal goblets Somehow can't imagine one of these hanging from my belt! |
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08 Sep 08 - 06:53 AM (#2433920) Subject: RE: Tankards From: GUEST,Rich A My tankard is from A E Williams, world renowned for its pewter. Very well made and has survived being dropped many time on Morris tours etc. AE Williams They're quite pricey but worth it. Rich |
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08 Sep 08 - 07:00 AM (#2433925) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B and if your tipple is something a little shorter still..... |
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08 Sep 08 - 07:04 AM (#2433926) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Will Fly Dalvey stuff is very good. I have several Dalvey pieces and they're excellent quality. |
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08 Sep 08 - 08:01 AM (#2433957) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Micca Sapper, the "lead-free" modern pewter in many cases substitutes Cadmium and its alloys to replace the lead used in old pewter which in certain conditions of acidity will leach into your drink and give that touch of "metallic" taste |
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08 Sep 08 - 08:05 AM (#2433960) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Leadfingers As I have a 'Free Beer' deal at one of the sessions I help out at , I have a Cow Horn (Wooden base) that holds about two pints ! Only time I drink 'Cooler' beer , as the horn keeps the beer cool better than Pewter does . Have to be careful NOT to drop it as a hair line crack can leave you thirsty , with a VERY wet table . |
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08 Sep 08 - 08:20 AM (#2433977) Subject: RE: Tankards From: My guru always said Mine's an old battered Pewtwer one of my Dad's that was left behind the bar at his Cricket Club. I remembered it a couple of years after his death & they were glad to be able to pass it on to me! Good advice about getting your tankard engraved, mine has my name & phone number on the base. Another good reason for tankards which I don't think has been mentioned, is that no-one accidently drinks your pint *grin* |
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08 Sep 08 - 08:40 AM (#2433998) Subject: RE: Tankards From: LesB They are particulaly popular with Morris dancers due to the constant moving from dance spot to pub to dance spot etc, & also finding 'which one is mine'. Cheers Les |
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08 Sep 08 - 08:41 AM (#2433999) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jane of 'ull Emma B, you're a fountain of knowledge! I love those goblets! I drink wine often, too, so I'm tempted.. just hope my bank balance doesnt get so drained I can't afford to buy the liquor to go in them! |
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08 Sep 08 - 09:20 AM (#2434029) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Bill D I have two leather ones, plus several wooden ones I make myself. The nice thing is that indoors, they serve as combo coasters/mugs. (funny, I had never called them 'tankards', though I suppose there's little difference.) I do have several 'beer steins' with lids, though I seldom use them, as they are ceramic and leave wet spots. I'll take a picture of my collection. |
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08 Sep 08 - 09:30 AM (#2434031) Subject: RE: Tankards From: GUEST,Essex Girl I've got a whole set of Pewter Tankards, from the quart pot (which was Dave Bryants)and the pint pot which I use all the time down to the tiny gill pot. Beer does taste much better out of pewter than plastic!! |
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08 Sep 08 - 09:59 AM (#2434054) Subject: RE: Tankards From: le cheffie I have a collection of pewter tankards for different occasions. One for Morris, one for festivals and a really battered on for re enactment. I'm still after a nice ceramic one or a leather one to use for re enacting. |
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08 Sep 08 - 10:06 AM (#2434058) Subject: RE: Tankards From: WFDU - Ron Olesko I don't know if the tankards you have over in the UK are manufactured differently, but every tankard I've tried in the U.S. that is made of metal just makes the beer taste awful. The metalic taste is something I just can't shake. I know that often the kegs are metal, but they are coated to protect the beer from exposure. I can see where ceramic mugs would be a problem, but a good size plastic one could surely serve the purpose and retain the taste of the beer. |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:17 AM (#2434138) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Splott Man Are there any chemical leaching problems regards drinking red wine from a pewter goblet? |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:30 AM (#2434157) Subject: RE: Tankards From: manitas_at_work Yes, but it's probably minimal in modern pewter. In 17th or 18th century France it was noted to cause some rather nasty symptom which were reprised in the 'Dorset Dropsy' of later times. 'Dorset Dropsy' was found noted to occur in cider drinkers but couldn't, initially, be linked to lead poisoning as cider, in England, was being drunk from earthenware vessels. Eventually they found that lead solder was being used to repair the oaken boards that the fruit was chopped up on! |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:33 AM (#2434161) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Micca Splott Man it would depend on the acidity of the wine, ie "Cheap generic red Vin (extremely)Ordinaire might be a bit rich in the acids and taste a bit worse than a good burgundy, also even a GOOD young Chianti might be a bit crappy from one, I personally prefer Glass for wine so I can view the colour before that first heavenly sniff and then taste(oops! sorry I was Waxing lyrical there) but I personally would hesitate to drink my good Rioja out of it, if you need a "metal" wine drinking vessel it is often easy to pick up a half pint Silver tankard from markets or antique fairs fairly cheap and they are usually supposed to be OK, after all it is a Traditional vessel for drinking Champagne!!! |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:37 AM (#2434165) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B silly me I was thinking it was one of |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:38 AM (#2434167) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B these ooops! |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:49 AM (#2434183) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Micca " drank Champagne from her shoe it was more than a sup It took near 2 bottles to fill the thing up a simple experience not to be missed but it wasn't surprising I ended up pissed" |
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08 Sep 08 - 11:56 AM (#2434190) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Manitas_at_home DOrset Dropsy! I've been mislead all these years - it was Devon Colic! |
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08 Sep 08 - 04:55 PM (#2434507) Subject: RE: Tankards From: lady penelope I have a set of goblets made from pewter (Neither high in lead or cadmium!!!) each goblet takes over half a pint. It can be dangerous drinking wine out of them (volume wise...), but it does keep the wine nice & cool! |
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09 Sep 08 - 02:47 AM (#2434873) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Liz the Squeak All you had to do was ask me... after all, I'm FROM Dorset - as if I'd let you forget. My granfer always said they'm funny in Deb'n. Guess we know the reason. Somerset also had its problems and even now, 'Zummerzet volk be daft, you' if you ask the people in north Dorset. My granfer's cider press was wood and cast iron... but the only metal that touched the cheese was the stainless steel milking bucket. LTS |
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09 Sep 08 - 03:22 AM (#2434888) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Paul Burke Devon Colic was attrributed more to lead-lined cider presses and pipes. This makes more sense- in a tankard, the lead is in contact with the liquid for a relatively short time (especially if it's my tankard). Here's an article on the disease, its prevalence, symptoms, and discovery of the cause. This case had a wider importance, in that a disease was ascribed directly to a given cause, thus questioning the medical belief of the time that disease was caused by bodily imbalances. |
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09 Sep 08 - 03:40 AM (#2434898) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Liz the Squeak Drink enough of that Devon cider and everyone gets bodily imbalances! Stick to the good stuff. Not for nothing did Dorset have 5 breweries! LTS |
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09 Sep 08 - 04:27 AM (#2434926) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Micca Oh Yeah Liz? I agree with the High standard of beer in Dorset, Palmers, Eldridge Pope, Badger ales!! oh yes!! but Dorset has its Dark side too. I remember a certain Pub in Charmouth that had a certain (alleged) Cider that was called on their "advertising material" ( a piece of a cornflakes packet thumbtacked to the bar surround) that proclaimed "Agaracultural wine 1/4d a pint" and it was Greeny-yellow and opaque and was as gentle as a mothers kiss, if your Mother happended to be a 30 ton locomotive travelling at 60mph, it devastated the Fossil hunters I was with one Lunch time!! |
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09 Sep 08 - 04:30 AM (#2434929) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Liz the Squeak I'm pretty sure that was Swyre. They'm funny there too... too close to the border. LTS |
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09 Sep 08 - 04:37 AM (#2434935) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Micca Liz, Swyre had the SAME stuff, from the same "source" ( I suspect, a local Farm) in the evening which helped the whole day sink into Oblivion in a haze of Raucous singing of Bawdy songs and general mayhem. Now I am not sure even Stainless steel would have stood up to that, It was about the strength AFAIR of that "Sloe Cider" you had at Winterbourne!!!!!! |
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09 Sep 08 - 04:44 AM (#2434937) Subject: RE: Tankards From: The Fooles Troupe I'm not to sure that we could get away with tankards in Aussie pubs - The licensing bods want each drink served in a clean glass, and pubs have to have glass washing machines. I have used mine however in medieval recreations for personal supplies. My favourite however, was a turned wooden one - they sometimes were sold as 'wooden mortars', but this one was intended as a drinking vessel. |
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09 Sep 08 - 05:00 AM (#2434952) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jim Lad Having ones own glass or tankard hanging above the gantry was basically abolished when it became evident to health authorities that bar staff were not cleaning them properly between pours. The dirty tankard would often touch the tap. Like double dipping you might say. |
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09 Sep 08 - 05:04 AM (#2434955) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Manitas_at_home No problem there, it's common in England to purchase a glass of beer so you know you're getting a standard measure and decant it into your own tankard. Some nice bar staff even offer to wash your pot for you. |
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09 Sep 08 - 05:08 AM (#2434956) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jack Blandiver For another thread on this most perplexing subject: Folkore: Pewtar Tankards |
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09 Sep 08 - 06:03 AM (#2434995) Subject: RE: Tankards From: danensis Interestingly pubs are no longer supposed to refill used glasses where the sparkler is immersed in the drink (or where the landlord chucks the slops back in the 'mild' barrel!). So do they draw a pint in a glass, and then pour it into the tankard? John |
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09 Sep 08 - 06:06 AM (#2434997) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Manitas_at_home I always thought it unhygenic to immerse the sparkler in the glass anyway, do you ever see anyone wipe it before or after? |
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09 Sep 08 - 06:33 AM (#2435013) Subject: RE: Tankards From: melodeonboy Sparklers? I didn't know it was already Guy Fawkes' Night! And why would you want to put one in a pint of beer? That's just spoiling the fun for the kids! |
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09 Sep 08 - 06:34 AM (#2435014) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Will Fly Would the beer be mulled if you put a sparkler in it? |
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09 Sep 08 - 08:18 AM (#2435075) Subject: RE: Tankards From: GUEST Jumpin on board this thread,,,,, My faithful old georgian Tankard that I supped from for topside of 30 years, was nicked from my car some time back. Although I have been very ill in between and am now teetotal for medical reasons I should very much like to be re-united with it. It carries the makers touchmark of three saracen swords above each other and has a chased inscription of :- "IW Kemp The Crown Narrow Street Limehouse If anybody spots it, please send me a message. Cheers Dave |
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09 Sep 08 - 08:28 AM (#2435085) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Mr Red Pewter ain't pewter no more. What we now call pewter is Brittania Metal (Tin & Antimony). It does mean that brews (particularly cider) don't leach lead salts from the oxidised surfaces. Has been law for more than 35 years according to one tankard man. But older tankards - you just don't know. Leather has the disadvantage that it can take the knocks but it does crack the tar inside. Pewter has the advantage that you can knock the bottom down and gain volume - though most landlords are savvy to that - not all bar persons though. I personally used two stainless steel ones because they have less taste on the cider and Antimony is also a toxin - but maybe as an alloy it does not oxidise readily and is not "as" toxic as lead - but I ain't takin no chances. Thankyou. The other advantage of tankards is that they don't get "cleaned up" when half empty while you are busy being a musician (or singist etc). |
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09 Sep 08 - 08:37 AM (#2435090) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Liz the Squeak Manitas - what are you doing at home? I'm there, you can't be! LTS |
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09 Sep 08 - 08:39 AM (#2435093) Subject: RE: Tankards From: doncatterall Once had a tankard given to me in the Commercial in Uppermill one Rushcart weekend (having disected mine under the wheels of the car!!!). It was inscribed "Darts and Snooker Champion Diggle Band Club 1970" and gave me years of faithful service. Put it on top of a fruit machine in the Balfour in Sidmouth many years later and, needless to say, it had disappeared when I went back for it. Where is it now and can the bloke who took it please replace the half pint of IPA that was in it. |
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09 Sep 08 - 10:13 AM (#2435168) Subject: RE: Tankards From: GUEST,Dazbo at work Ron O, the pewter makes your beer taste horrible because it is a good transmitter of heat, so the beer warms up quickly and you can taste it. So what you are getting is the true taste of the beer :) |
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09 Sep 08 - 10:44 AM (#2435191) Subject: RE: Tankards From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Dazbo, trust me, I know the true taste of beer, and the style that you refer to as "real" ale. Contrary to your sterotyped images, we do not drink all beer ice cold. The pewter, from the tankards I've used, adds a metalic taste that masks the hops and barley and all the notes that are created. If you drink the same beer in a glass, or even plastic or ceramic, you do not have the extra addition. You might have a product that differs from what passes as a pewter tankard in the U.S., which is what I am trying to find out. |
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09 Sep 08 - 11:13 AM (#2435218) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Emma B One of my unexpected delights in visiting the Montana/Wyoming area earlier this year, apart from the beautiful prarie flowers, was the availability of a wide choice of wonderful beers and microbreweries. I don't know what your tankards are like unfortunately Ron as I was frequently served my beer out of a glass preserving jar :) Perhaps one of the 'differences' over here is that it simply doesn't stay long enough in the tankard :) |
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09 Sep 08 - 11:22 AM (#2435226) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Jim Lad Still like my beer warm. Tastes like beer that way. |
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09 Sep 08 - 11:55 AM (#2435259) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Paul Burke Shuffling this below the line is clearly showing disrespect to an integral part of English folk culture. Is it 'cos I's black? |
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09 Sep 08 - 11:59 AM (#2435268) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Rumncoke I have a haunted tankard - it was presented to one Captain E J Dyer, RAOC as runner up prize in a AOC handicap snooker competition in 1941 Sixty years later it was in a charity shop, and now I find that even if I am only drinking water out of it, the ghosts of all the previous alcoholic beverages contrive to put their fluence on me. For anything acidic I have a stainless steel tankard, me being the daughter of a union man at Sammy Foxes Steel Works in Sheffield in the 60's, but it has no soul. Water is just water. |
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09 Sep 08 - 01:35 PM (#2435365) Subject: RE: Tankards From: My guru always said Think this Pewter vs Glass taste thing deserves to be checked, not that I dispute anything stated here. I'm going to a major UK Beer Festival (Woking) in November with friends, so I think we'll run some tests.... *grin* |
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09 Sep 08 - 04:18 PM (#2435556) Subject: RE: Tankards From: lady penelope I reckon the funny taste is 'cos most people don't clean their tankards properly...and in quite a few cases...at all!!! |
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10 Sep 08 - 02:50 AM (#2435898) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Gurney I have a few tankards from when I collected them. A couple of interesting ones: A half-pint glass-bottomed with 'Poison' etched into the coloured glass bottom, and a pint, solid, heavy copper one from Zimbabwe. Actually, from Rhodesia. I suspect it is a fighting tankard, as I certainly wouldn't want to be hit with it. |
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10 Sep 08 - 03:18 AM (#2435913) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Mr Red A copper Tankard? I thought police were not allowed to drink on duty. I'll get my cape............... |
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10 Sep 08 - 03:13 PM (#2436535) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Mrs.Duck If Geoff didn't have a tankard where would the Duck live? |
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10 Sep 08 - 04:44 PM (#2436663) Subject: RE: Tankards From: Bill D Here is my collection of mugs/tankards/steins..etc. used only for beer. 2 leather, 4 turned wood which I made, and various ceramic/glass commercial things. The leather & wood often travel.... and one which I made, which was my son's Xmas present last year (When he goes to RenFaire, folks try to buy it from him.)(it holds 35oz.) It is made from a piece of "Southern Prickly Ash" or "Toothache Tree" from the southern US. All the wooden ones have plastic liners of some form of plastic used to make drinking bottles. Never had any problem with taste any more than the brewer's pitch used to coat the leather ones. |
