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10 Jun 99 - 03:57 PM (#85609) Subject: Franklin From: Searching for the words of 'Franklin' not the version on Mudcat database called Lady Franklin's Lament, but the one about the man himself! Any offers ? |
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10 Jun 99 - 04:44 PM (#85620) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Margo What man himself. You mean the one and only Benjamin Franklin? That's who I think of. I don't know any songs about him, but he did write music. Margarita |
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10 Jun 99 - 05:01 PM (#85630) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Fadac Would you be talking about the Franklin, the ill fated artic explorer? He is mentoned in a song called "North West Passage" on a Victroy Sings at Sea, cd. |
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10 Jun 99 - 05:20 PM (#85635) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Penny S If it was that ill-fated man, it is one of the few claims to fame of the spot where I live that it's where he left from. Penny |
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10 Jun 99 - 08:13 PM (#85679) Subject: RE: Franklin From: There are 3 variant versions in DT, but they are from after his death. I don't know of any that might be about Franklin before he died. |
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10 Jun 99 - 10:37 PM (#85736) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Barbara THE FRANKLIN EXPEDITION (in DT) is the same basic song and melody as Lady Franklin's lament, but is told from an unspecified male(?)POV. Is that what you are looking for? Or is it possible you want Bold Wolf(e), another song to that same tune? Blessings, Barbara |
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10 Jun 99 - 10:42 PM (#85737) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Barbara Excuse me, it's BRAVE Wolfe, or Bold General Wolfe. |
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10 Jun 99 - 10:47 PM (#85740) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Alan of Australia G'day, The only other song about Franklin I know of is Stan Rogers' "Northwest Passage", in the DT.
Cheers, |
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11 Jun 99 - 02:09 PM (#85919) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan I think Joanna Colcord's book (Songs the Whalemen Sang) has a fragment of a song about Franklin which does not fall into the "Lady Franklin" set. Liam's Brother will probably know! Regards |
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11 Jun 99 - 05:59 PM (#85996) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan We sailed away down Baffin Bay Where the nights and days were one And the Huskimaw in his skin canoe That was the only living soul The ice king came with his eyes aflame
That's the one I was thinking of. Its in "Ballads and Sea songs from Newfoundland" by Greenlea and Mansfield (?? I can't read my own handwriting!). Collected from Stephen John Lewis of Fleur de Lys, 1929. ^^ |
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12 Jun 99 - 06:35 AM (#86125) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan It strikes me that Lady Franklin's Lament was reduced to 4 or 5 verses which do not make clear that the woman is speaking, in the most popular version in Britain and Ireland - John Renbourn, Martin Carthy etc. That version is always known as "Lord Franklin". Regards |
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12 Jun 99 - 08:45 AM (#86139) Subject: RE: Franklin From: John Moulden Joanna Colcord "Songs of American Sailormen" has (p 154) "Franklin's Crew" but this is the common one put partly in Lady Franklin's mouth. So far as I can see there is no version of any song about Franklin in Gale Huntington's "Songs the Whalemen Sang" There are other songs about Franklin and I think I copied a ballad sheet recently but haven't time to look nat the moment. |
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12 Jun 99 - 04:46 PM (#86205) Subject: RE: Franklin From: John Moulden Lady Franklin's lament is Laws K9 It commonly has two different first lines: It was homeward bound etc or Come ye seamen bold etc and the second verse begins - it was homeward bound There is another song about Franklin which on ballad sheets was called "Lament of the fate of Sir J Franklin and his crews" it starts "You tender Christians pray attend" Some references follow: LAMENT OF THE FATE OF SIR J. FRANKLIN AND HIS CREWS You tender Christians I pray attend Baring-Gould Coll (British Library) Vol.5, No.216 Baring-Gould Coll SIR J. FRANKLIN AND HIS CREW You tender Christians I pray attend Broadside facsimile orinted in Leslie Shepard, Broadside Ballad p.155 Text only I have the second but have not seen the first. |
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12 Jun 99 - 04:47 PM (#86206) Subject: RE: Franklin From: John Moulden Damn, I meant printed. |
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13 Jun 99 - 06:51 AM (#86326) Subject: Franklin From: ORua Searching for a complete version of the song about Lord Franklin and his bootless search for the N-W passage. I know there is a fragment collected in Newfoundland, I know there is the Lady Franklin's Lament version, but I want more! |
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13 Jun 99 - 10:51 AM (#86353) Subject: RE: Franklin From: John Moulden I clarified this to an extent in another, and very recent, thread. |
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13 Jun 99 - 11:49 AM (#86370) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Barbara Try this blue clicky thing, ORua. As thread titles get older they move down the page. Blessings, Barbara |
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13 Jun 99 - 12:33 PM (#86378) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan Thanks,John. Regards |
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13 Jun 99 - 05:06 PM (#86415) Subject: RE: Franklin From: liz randall I don't know what you call a fragment. Will this help: Homeward bound one night on the deep Rocked in my hammock I fell asleep I dreamed a dream and I thought it treu Concerning Franklin and his gallant crew. With a hundred seamen he sailed away Cross the western ocean in the month of May To find passage around the pole Where we poor seamen do sometimes go. Through cruel hardships we made no go Our ship on mountains of ice was yhrown Where the eskimo in his skin canoe Are the only ones who ever get through. In Baffin Bay where the whale fish blow, The fate of Franklin no man may know. The fate of Franklin no man may tell Lord Franklin along with his sailors do dwell. And now my burden it gves me pain For my long lost Franklin I would cross the main Ten thousand pounds I would surely give To know on earth that my Franklin do live. Lovely song Lizzie |
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13 Jun 99 - 08:27 PM (#86452) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan That's pretty much the Lord Franklin version, as recored by John Renbouirne in the late sixties?. Its a part of the Lady Franklin's Lament version. The question/s is/are - is there a tune for the rather awkward fragment I gave earlier - and is there yet another song? Regards |
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14 Jun 99 - 12:28 PM (#86593) Subject: RE: Franklin From: John Moulden Martin, the awkward fragment is another bit of Lady Franklin's Lament which is actually quite a long song. When I get the time I'll transcribe the other ballad sheet version. |
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14 Jun 99 - 12:34 PM (#86594) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Barbara Greenleaf and Mansfield say nothing about a separate tune for the fragment that you quoted above, but it doesn't scan easily to the melody to Lady Franklin. They speak of their surprise at the interest generated by the vanishing of the Franklin Expedition (1845 - 1848), even many years later. Blessings, Barbara |
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14 Jun 99 - 03:29 PM (#86633) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan Thank you, John - I would be interested to see that sheet. No rush - put a photocopy behind the visor in the car - that's where I keep songs people have asked for! Barbara
Now if the anonymous starter of the thread would only.... Regards |
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14 Jun 99 - 11:59 PM (#86761) Subject: ADD: FRANKLIN AND HIS SHIP'S CREW^^ From: rich r Here's yet another version or two:
printed in "Maritime Folk Songs" by Helen Creighton (Ryerson Press 1961) A. Fragment
We're homeward bound
As we drew near to old England's shore
"But yet they are but one ship of fame
To find a passage by the North Pole
B.
Homeward bound one night on the deep
As we drew near to old England's shore
"Now since that time on ship of fame
"To find a passage to the North Pole
"A sad foreboding, they gave me pain
Now since that time seven long years have passed
There's Captain Osborne of Scobrun town,
Now they sailed east and they sailed west,
In Baffin's Bay where the whale fish blow rich r ^^
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12 Jul 99 - 06:02 PM (#94509) Subject: Lyr Add: LAMENT...SIR J FRANKLIN AND HIS CREWS^^ From: Martin _Ryan LAMENT ON THE FATE OF SIR J FRANKLIN AND HIS CREWS You tender Christians I pray attend To these few lines that I have now penned Of Sir John Franklin and his brave band Who've perished far from their native land So listen now while I tell to you The fate of Franklin and his brave crew It is now nine years since they first set sail With joyous hearts and a pleasant gale In frozen regions to cruise about A North West passage to find out There was many a sad and an aching heart As from their friends these brave men did part To plough their way o'er the raging main For fear they should ne'er return again When six dreary years they had been away Some other vessels without delay Were sent to search for the missing crews But alas of them they could hear no news A gloomy mystery for nine long years Their wives and children has kept in tears In deepest anguish they did await The ships sent out to learn their fate Poor Lady Franklin in great despair In anguish wild she tore her hair Saying "Ten thousand pounds I'd give for news Of my loving Franklin and his brave crews. The government in this present year Did pensions give to their families dear But Lady Franklin did refuse the grant Crying "Give me my husband - I no money want" At length sad tidings of this brave band Has reached the shores of their native land By which we hear that they all are dead Though suffering much ere their souls had fled As through the frozen seas they pushed Their ships by blocks of ice were crushed And offering prayers for their babes and wives Many brave souls did lose their lives Forty poor creatures from a watery grave With one of the boats their lives did save And over the ice they now took their way To reach in safety the Hudson's Bay What horrid sufferings of pain and want Those frozen regions no food did grant At length - o horrid- for want of meat Their dying comrades they had to eat How horrid was the sight when found Their limbs and bodies lay scattered round The flesh knawed (sic) off from every bone Oh may their souls to heaven have gone Now for to finish and make an end May God their families from want defend . And while their loss we sadly deplore We hope such horrors to hear no more. John Moulden pointed out the above version , from a broadsheet reproduced in Leslie Shepard's "The Broadside Ballad". Shephard dates it to circa 1859, published in London(?). No air given. We're still left, it seems ot me, with the fragment collected by Greanleaf and Mansfield - which doesn't really appear in any of the other versions. The "ice-king" bit smacks of Coleridge's Ancient Mariner to me! Regards^^ |
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12 Jul 99 - 07:06 PM (#94535) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Liam's Brother I was in the British Library in April of '78 and xeroxed a copy of a Henry Such broadside of the ballad to which John has referred. The only difference I see between it and what Martin has very kindly typed is that the 2nd verse starts "Now it's 15 years since he set sail."
All the best, |
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12 Jul 99 - 11:01 PM (#94617) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Barry Finn Doerflinger has a couple nice versions & another nice version is in Palmer's. Palmer also has a version of the "Bold Adventurers of Captain Ross" the same Capt. Ross that led a rescue exp. for Franklin. I don't get it Ross had also been 3 years caught in the ICE, common occurence for those afflicted with severe Brain Freeze. 39 voyages had been launched to find Franklin, whose knows how many went after the Northwest Passage. Did these guys ever come home to puppy? Any excuse & bing-a-bang out the door & long gone for the sunny crystal blue frozen diamond hard pinpoint polar bear loving Club Med North & only a wee pot stove that just sank with the ship to beat off the unbareable heat. I can see how the seals leapt from the ice flows as the ship appeared over the horizon to greet the weary sailors with a bark & some vigorous sexy hand clapping something every mother's son strives for. Oh I missed something it may have been a macho way to get a song made after you, the price some people pay for fame, go figure. Barry |
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13 Jul 99 - 03:43 AM (#94676) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan Barry Palmer's broadside is a fairly striaghtforward "Lady Franklin" set. I'd forgotten the Captain Ross song - do you have an air for it? Regards |
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13 Jul 99 - 02:52 PM (#94798) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Barry Finn It's in Palmer's but I haven't a clue as to how I'd read it never mind put it up. Barry |
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13 Jul 99 - 05:53 PM (#94864) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Susanne (skw) Has Captain Ross anything to do with this man, Dr John Rae? "There is a road in Stromness named after Franklin, but [Orkney author] George Mackay Brown once said it should be called Rae Road, for the real hero of the tragedy that wiped out the Franklin expedition was a Stromness man. [Dr John] Rae, chief trader with the Hudson Bay Company, played a major role in mapping out Northern Canada and was also the first man to discover what happened to the crews of the Erebus and Terror. [...] When he was asked to join the search for Franklin in 1847 he had just successfully charted 625 miles of coastline, travelling 1,200 miles on foot, living off the land. He was a loner. His relationship with his Navy colleagues on the Franklin search was an uneasy one. They could never understand a man who appeared to be as primitive as the natives, who copied the Eskimo way of life [...]. The 1847-48 expedition shed no new light on the fate of Erebus and Terror crews and the search dragged on long after hope of finding anyone alive had been abandoned. In April, 1854, while surveying the Boothia Peninsula, Rae found the first key to the Franklin mystery - and put himself in line for an award worth £ 10,000. At Pelly Bay he met an Eskimo, Innook-po-zhee-jook, who said he had heard stories from other natives of thirty-five or forty white men who had starved to death some years earlier, about twelve days' journey away. Later that year, it was established that the bodies had been found near the estuary of the Great Fish River. The Eskimos brought a mass of relics to Rae at Repulse Bay - one of Franklin's decorations, a small plate with his name on it, silver forks and spoons, a surgeon's knife, a gold watch, and other items. They also told Rae that Franklin's starving men had committed acts of cannibalism. When this news reached Britain the reaction was shock and disbelief. The writer Charles Dickens, while obviously believing that the 'treacherous and cruel' Eskimos might eat each other, thought it was 'in the highest degree improbable' that Englishmen would eat Englishmen. Doubt was cast on both Rae's discovery and on the cannibalism report, but the Orkney explorer held his ground. He got his £ 10,000, with £ 2,000 of it going to his men. |
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15 Jul 99 - 12:05 AM (#95322) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Art Thieme ...and in recent years some of Franklin's men were unearthed from the permafrost, tested, and found to be full of LEAD that had leached from the metal used to seal their canned provisions during the expedition. This lead poisoning caused the bizarre behavior that ultimately lead (no pun intended) to their making some lousy decisions which precipitated their demise. (This was in another thread too.) Art |
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15 Jul 99 - 12:39 AM (#95341) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Liam's Brother Art is quite right. This was the subject of a program of about an hour's length on U.S. Public Broadcasting System television. |
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15 Jul 99 - 03:27 PM (#95531) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Fadac Yup, They were to have carried the ships piano in a lifeboat across the ice. Not what you need in a survial situation. -Fadac |
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15 Jul 99 - 08:09 PM (#95615) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Susanne (skw) The book by Owen Beattie and John (?) Geiger is called 'Frozen in time' (1987). Marvellous! |
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16 Jul 99 - 12:02 AM (#95689) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Liam's Brother Hi Martin! I got Roy Palmer's book for Bonnie a few years ago but in looking around the apartment tonight I couldn't find it. When I solve that mystery, I'll copy the melody for you. Will you be at the Paddy O'Brien Festival or the Fleadh?
All the best, |
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16 Jul 99 - 05:15 AM (#95784) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Martin _Ryan Dan I have Palmers book - no air is given. Best Wishes to the gang. |
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12 Oct 00 - 12:45 PM (#317331) Subject: RE: Franklin From: Malcolm Douglas There is some further discussion, including the text from Palmer's book, in the middle of this thread: The Ship in Distress |
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13 Oct 00 - 11:30 AM (#318069) Subject: RE: Franklin From: A Wandering Minstrel A really good book on Franklin and some of the other North West passage folks is "Barrows Boys" published earlier this year in paperback. My defective memory wont remind me of trhe author. In addition to the Franklin and Ross expeditions it also gives an interesting counterpoint on the search for the source of the Niger. Isnt it one of Franklins men who makes a re-appearance in James Taylors "The Frozen Man"? |
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21 Feb 11 - 12:26 AM (#3099515) Subject: Lyr Add: LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT (from Bodleian) From: Jim Dixon I don't think this version has been posted at Mudcat before: From The Bodleian Library Broadside Ballad collection, Firth c.12(81): LADY FRANKLIN'S LAMENT My Franklin dear long has been gone, To explore the northern seas. I wonder if my faithful John Is still battling with the breeze, Or, if ever he will return again To these fond arms once more, To heal the wounds of his dearest Jane Whose heart is grieved full sore. CHORUS: My Franklin dear, though long thy stay, Yet still my prayer shall be, That Providence may choose a way To guide thee safe to me. My Franklin dear, where dost thou dwell? What part of the frozen sea? Oh, how I wish that I could tell, I'd quickly haste to thee. With my goodly ship in motion, No longer here I'd stay, But athwart the rolling ocean, For thee I'd bear away. My Franklin dear, I can but mourn At thy long protracted stay. Oh, would to God thou could'st return, How bless'd would be that day! The hearts of merry England Would swell with joy once more To welcome my lost husband To his dear native shore. The brave and good Lieutenant Pim* Is now gone off to sea. May Heaven's blessing go with him To guide my love to me, And if again he should return To this fond heart once more, He shall not cause his friends to mourn Nor again his loss deplore. My Franklin dear, once more safe home Upon Britannia's shore, To the northern seas no more shall steer Where the cruel icebergs roar, But once safe in his native home, Bless'd by wife and children dear, With bears and wolves no more to roam, He'll be free and happy here. My Franklin dear may be laid low Amidst the icebergs drear. The sad thought fills my heart with woe, Yet one ray of hope is near, That if I never meet him more, In this world of hope and fears, Yet we may meet on a happy shore And wipe away our tears. Wilson Printer Bideford - - - * Bedford Clapperton Trevelyan Pim, who later rose to the rank of Admiral. |