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02 Oct 08 - 04:54 AM (#2455437) Subject: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Rafflesbear to avoid thread drift in the Leicester folk club thread I have started this one and copied over the comments that lead to the drift - anybody else have an opinion? "They must have the most offensive name for a group that I have ever seen or heard. Check out the origins in Aussie slang as that is where they got it from. They might be o k but not with a name like this." "please tell!! Have never heard of this word or it's origins!! " "OK Mad Spaniel "Norcs" is Aussie slang for a woman's breasts "alordie" means Wow! Put the two together and you get a comment you might make when a lady of comely proportions walks past come on let's vote - who finds that the most offensive group name they have ever seen or heard ? I vote no - and additionally that such a comment is nonsense" "Rememeber when The Pogues first got airplay ? - Until Auntie Beeb discovered what Pogue Ma Hone meant ?" |
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02 Oct 08 - 07:50 AM (#2455473) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,cobra I feel your pain. But 10cc and Steely Dan to name but two are a bit orff IMO. I am not insulted ny the Norcs name. |
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02 Oct 08 - 08:03 AM (#2455479) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Howard Jones If it has to be explained why the name is offensive, how offensive can it be? |
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02 Oct 08 - 10:17 AM (#2455504) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Jayto I'm lost totally. Offended no lost yeah. So all is good in my book :) |
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02 Oct 08 - 10:27 AM (#2455517) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Wesley S "JC and the Waterwalkers" was found to be offensive to some people - and not to others. Same thing with "Pontius Pilate and his Nail-Driving 5" - Both Frat-Rock bands from Florida. Our trio is called "Matthew-Mark, Luke and Bubba". Our banjo player hates the name but I don't think he finds it offensive. But he's ordained and teaches theology at a university. |
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02 Oct 08 - 10:36 AM (#2455524) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Richard Bridge Well, let's see: - My recent acoustic bands of various types - RogertheChorister My electric band at school - The Pink Perves My electric bands at university (1) Wandering Hands and the Jailbait (2) Shaft and the Rocks Nah, I don't think so. |
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02 Oct 08 - 10:51 AM (#2455531) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Hugh Jarsentitz People who find it offensive - Offend me! Bloody busybodies who have f****d up our society good and proper with their Mcarthy type witch hunts and political correctness shit. What about: The Mothers The Sex Pistols The Buzzcocks The Nipple Erectors Herman's Hermits All good bands. |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:04 AM (#2455545) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Sandra in Sydney "Norcs" is Aussie slang for a woman's breasts - not a slang word I've ever heard, tho if it's a new word, I obviously don't move in the right circles. Google Australia gives references mainly to Naturally Occuring Retirement Communities!!, with one reference on messandnoise.com.au - a music site - where norcs & tittilating occur together, so that might be the meaning referred to in the group name. "alordie" means Wow! another Aussie slang word Ive missed by being too old? sandra (sticking to the old tried & true slang) |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:04 AM (#2455546) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: M.Ted In the US, NORCS are Naturally Occurring Retirement Communities-check it out! NORCS Website |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:08 AM (#2455551) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: John MacKenzie They're NORKS a lordie, it's about as likely as Lawksamussy, for Lord have mercy. JM |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:46 AM (#2455602) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: MartinRyan For "norcs" read "knockers", methinks. Regards p.s. I once knew a (well-endowed) female birdwatcher who used to refer to her binoculars as her .... you guessed it! |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:57 AM (#2455618) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: John MacKenzie Where's Liz the Squeak when you need her? JM |
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02 Oct 08 - 12:32 PM (#2455646) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Neil D When "Barenaked Ladies" first started out the Toronto newspaper wouldn't advertise their shows. Now, nobody thinks twice about their name. I remember seeing an ad in a local entertainment guide for a show featuring "B**thole Surfers." I mean,come on, lets be a bit less hypersensitive please. Now on the other hand, "Ben Dover and the Screamers" ... |
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02 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM (#2455652) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: PoppaGator Anyone old enough to remember The Fugs? |
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02 Oct 08 - 12:41 PM (#2455656) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Amos Old enough?? Hell, I was weaned on 'em!!! Seriously, I would think we have enough concrete and substantive issues in the real world to be troubled by, and scarcely need to go running around trying to find something offensive in puerile band names, for crying out loud. Adults are supposed to act like adults, not prepubescent schoolchildren who turn scarlet if you mention a body part. A |
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02 Oct 08 - 12:47 PM (#2455665) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Rapparee How about The Butthole Surfers? |
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02 Oct 08 - 01:01 PM (#2455679) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: M.Ted You've been at Mudcat long enough that I should have to tell you this, Amos--the point of finding something offensive in band names is a way of avoiding concrete and substantive issues. Doesn't the fact that political, social and issues are classified as BS, while threads like this are not, tell you something? |
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02 Oct 08 - 01:02 PM (#2455682) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: M.Ted Oh, wait, this is a BS thread. Nevermind. |
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02 Oct 08 - 01:03 PM (#2455684) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Emma B I did once have to explain the origin of the name of the Melons For Ecstasy ceilidh band to someone - decided against explaining Edward the 2nd and the Red Hot Pokers as well :) |
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02 Oct 08 - 01:29 PM (#2455708) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Rafflesbear thanks for your comments which I take as generally positive and am relieved the duo is young in folk terms - they chose the name before it all turned serious and have been concerned that it might offend. I saw no harm and persuaded them it was good to go with - hence I was taken aback to find the original comment in terms that strong the boys are trying to break the mould in what they do but have no wish to alienate folkies as that would be a bad move. A cheeky name was part of the package - and until now it has been an 'in joke' one good thing about the name is that if you put it in google 95% of the results refer to the band thanks M.Ted but it looks like we've been relegated to BS status after all ! |
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02 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM (#2455715) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Richard Bridge There of course were: - Courtney Love's Hole and The Slits |
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02 Oct 08 - 01:53 PM (#2455740) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: bobad Some wholesome Canadian bands: Holy Fuck (radio announcers call them Holy F) Tit Fuck Me Jesus Shit La Merde Shit From Hell I think "Righteous Indignation" would make a good name for a band. |
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02 Oct 08 - 02:28 PM (#2455765) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Rafflesbear Erm. I may be having second thoughts about this thread |
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02 Oct 08 - 04:32 PM (#2455866) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Volgadon "Our trio is called "Matthew-Mark, Luke and Bubba". Our banjo player hates the name but I don't think he finds it offensive. But he's ordained and teaches theology at a university." That's hilarious. The other two band names you mentioned were in bad taste, but this is fun. A bit Gary Larsenish... |
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02 Oct 08 - 04:54 PM (#2455873) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Wesley S Lots of folks have asked us why we're called "Matthew-Mark, Luke and Bubba" if we're a trio. That's because in the south "Matthew-Mark" is one name. |
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02 Oct 08 - 05:00 PM (#2455878) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Wesley S Oh - I forgot. We have another guy that joins us from time to time to make us a quartet. When he does we change our name to "Matthew-Mark, Luke, Bubba and Young". |
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02 Oct 08 - 05:24 PM (#2455890) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Martin Norcsalordie Hi, have been watching this thread with some interest! First of all I'd like to say sorry for the length of this post. As Rafflesbear said, we picked the name when we started out in 2004 as something rude, yet obscure and tongue firmly planted in cheek as that reflected the style of music we played at the time. Times have changed and those songs have long since fallen by the wayside in favour of traditional folk songs performed with our upbeat twist. The name Norcsalordie has been both a blessing and yet a burden and I wonder how far we could realistically progress with such a name. Seeing some of the examples thrown up, i.e. Sex Pistols, Buzzcocks - very famous bands but aimed at a punk audience specifically to rebel against Auntie and the status quo. The other famous bands merely allude to salacious subject matter and I'm afraid to say I've not heard of the more explicit band names. So, after all the rambling, what's my point? Well, despite personal views, would the name Norcsalordie - specifically pertaining to big boobs - prove a hinderance when trying to gain acceptance with a wider (and possibly more conservative) audience such as the BBC's? |
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02 Oct 08 - 05:32 PM (#2455897) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: John MacKenzie Pamela Anderson has the same problem. XG |
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02 Oct 08 - 05:33 PM (#2455898) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Richard Bridge I very much doubt it. |
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02 Oct 08 - 06:20 PM (#2455928) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Rafflesbear Hi Martin thanks for contributing to the thread - your concern is obviously Norcsalordie as a name - asset or liability as I see it your style challenges the folk establishment by giving a fresh take on established songs. A name like say 'Victoriana' would be a mistake I think the boobs issue is over-inflated if you'll pardon the obvious double-entendre - so few people make the connection the name is now primarily a band name and will become free standing as you develop your potential - don't worry about it as I said before - put Norcsalordie into Google and see how many references you get to the band and how many references you get to boobs - nuff said Rafflesbear |
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02 Oct 08 - 06:54 PM (#2455941) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Bill D It's hard to call something very offensive when it is barely comprehended outside of certain groups.... even other Aussies are confused. But I just had a thought.... even though I'm not a religious guy, I remember certain Bible verses, and this one from Romans 14:14 popped into my head: "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean." I also like the old saying "It all depends on whose Ox is being gored" (well, *I* think those are relevant) |
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02 Oct 08 - 10:33 PM (#2456045) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Gurney Sandra, Norks (in some spelling) definately does mean breasts, but the only writted reference I've seen to it is in an Oz motor mag. Mike Harding came across it when he toured, and did a considerable intro mentioning it on the Beeb! My folks sent me a tape. He was very much against it, considering it a terrible name for something so nice! His words. |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:13 PM (#2456054) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: M.Ted A very close acquaintance had an alt metal/punk band that used a scatological phrase as their name-- They signed with a major label, and the marketing department came back and said, we can't get radio airplay for your name, we can't book you in major venues because they won't put the name on the marquee, and we can't advertise in mainstream media. My friends said, "Don't tell us what to do, we're artists and you're just promoters." The answer was, "Well, we'd rather promote someone whose name we can print." And that was it. |
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02 Oct 08 - 11:52 PM (#2456089) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Donuel Offensive Gestures: I get the finger and the arm jerk slap but what the hell is this thing Palin does by touching her mouth with her finger and then pretend to write something in mid air while saying a certain person's name with distain??? what does it mean? |
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03 Oct 08 - 07:42 AM (#2456271) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Rapparee I wouldn't worry about it, Martin. Obscurity covers it in 99% of the world, and if anyone does ask, just wink at them or tell them that it's the name of the station in the Outback where you were raised. |
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03 Oct 08 - 08:27 AM (#2456306) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Greg B Anyoe besides meself enjoy the music of the 'Big Bad Ballocks?' |
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03 Oct 08 - 08:08 PM (#2456800) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Jack Campin I was HUGELY disappointed with Norcsalordie's website. I looked through the photo gallery and... WHERE ARE ALL THE NORCS????? |
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04 Oct 08 - 05:16 AM (#2456944) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Big Al Whittle Wasn't Stefan Grossman with The Fugs at one point? |
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04 Oct 08 - 05:22 AM (#2456949) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: John MacKenzie He's in Ullapool next weekend though. XG |
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04 Oct 08 - 05:45 AM (#2456958) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Peace BUT, backwards it is Eidrolascron In my native language that means 'sheep shagger'. (I'm from Pluto.) What friggin' arsehole searched in order to be offended by Norcsalordie? Keriste, listen to their music. |
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04 Oct 08 - 08:42 AM (#2457033) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Rapparee And in my native language (I'm from Illinois) it is the common term for a banker who has an affinity for throwing working people's money into the city's sewer treatment plant and then eating his way to it as well as having a wife who has a thing for the spin cycle on washing machines. In Illinois it's a very complex term. |
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04 Oct 08 - 09:09 AM (#2457046) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Peace Extra rinse no doubt! |
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04 Oct 08 - 10:22 AM (#2457100) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: John MacKenzie Not that uncommon, Rapaire. XG |
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04 Oct 08 - 07:05 PM (#2457367) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: McGrath of Harlow I suppose "Norcs" might well be a variant on "Knockers". |
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04 Oct 08 - 09:28 PM (#2457407) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Big Al Whittle Stefan was in Nottingham last night. he asked me onstage to sing The Glory of Love to his guitar playing. He said he didn't know the words. Now I come to think of it that's a bit implausible - him being a world expert on Big Bill Broonzy. Still it was a nice thought - I wish I'd taken a picture now. |
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05 Oct 08 - 12:35 AM (#2457467) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: The Fooles Troupe ""Norcs" is Aussie slang for a woman's breasts - not a slang word I've ever heard, tho if it's a new word, I obviously don't move in the right circles." In the 60s it was 'Nork'. "Melons For Ecstasy" - the 'Arabian' explanation? :-) |
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05 Oct 08 - 03:55 AM (#2457513) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Amergin I think this is just a cheap way of self promotion..... |
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05 Oct 08 - 04:04 AM (#2457517) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Big Al Whittle oh well their stardom is assured now.... |
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05 Oct 08 - 05:35 AM (#2457546) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: freda underhill I've never heard this phrase in Australia. |
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05 Oct 08 - 06:53 AM (#2457578) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Sapper on MENTOR doing a bit extra Bloody hell, the trouble people will go to just so they can be offended!! Reminded me of the old spinster living on the seafront at a seaside resort who complained that she could often see naked men changing in the shelter opposite her house. When the council duely moved the shelters half a mile down the beach they were upset to find the complaints from her continuing, so sent an official round to investigate. When he pointed out that they were partially obscured by a kiosk shop and that they were quite a distance away, she responded, "Well, if you come into my attic, lean out of the window and use these binoculars............" |
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05 Oct 08 - 06:55 AM (#2457580) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Sapper still on MENTOR Forgot to add, yes I was aware of the connotations of the name and yes, I have seen them. They were at the Rising Sun up at Middleton Rise, near Wirksworth a few months back. A bit loud, but not a bad duo for an evenings entertainment! |
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05 Oct 08 - 08:22 AM (#2457612) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Penny S. Well, I've heard them sing, and they're great. And I wondered about the name, but thought it might be something a bit Lowland Scots! Ah well. Penny |
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05 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM (#2457768) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Rafflesbear if you go into google earth zoom out as far as you can, spin the globe to any position then type in Norcsalordie and zoom in - it takes you a few miles off the coast of Belgium between Ostend and Zeebrugge so lads - if a sweet little old lady asks you what it means - it's an island in the English Channel off the Belgian coast |
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06 Oct 08 - 01:54 AM (#2458145) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Ernest Peace: there already is a band called Sheep-Shaggers on this planet. Please rename your band. ;0) Ernest |
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06 Oct 08 - 02:07 AM (#2458150) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity From: PoppaGator Date: 02 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM Anyone old enough to remember The Fugs? Ever had a long flag along??? Some of them evolved into the Doobie Brothers |
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06 Oct 08 - 12:55 PM (#2458500) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Acorn4 I once entered the now defunct "Melody Maker Folk Rock Contest" in the wake of the punk boom in the mid seventies. In the groups section, there was a band called "Skidmarks", and the members all had names like Lou Brush and W.C.Stains.... I've seen Norsalordie a couple of times, and there is nothing at all that could be taken offence at in their act, so perhaps it's sensible to ingore the name. |
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06 Oct 08 - 02:28 PM (#2458579) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Richard Bridge I wonder if the Sheepshaggers would be at home at Knockholt? It seems to me there is not enough sheepshit on their trousers, as Pete the Hat maybe can verify - and indeed Norcsalodie maybe can further verify since they have been there too... |
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06 Oct 08 - 02:56 PM (#2458601) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Cool Beans Here in the US, home of the Loose Stools and the Cherry-Poppin' Daddies, we are heartily offended. |
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11 Oct 08 - 12:17 PM (#2463019) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Paul Macca Hi guys, I'm lead singer of Norcsalordie. Thanks for all your posts. I can't believe someone would get so offended by our name- I mean if you really want to get worked up, there's an economy on the downturn, ongoing war in Iraq and Afghanistan, child poverty in Africa, a worldwide Aids epidemic.....the list is endless. My statement to Old Nic Kilby who got offended: A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet. |
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12 Oct 08 - 03:33 PM (#2463817) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Girl Friday The story about the old lady and the binoculars takes me back to when I was a library assistant. Staff at one of the branches could not understand why schoolgirls would come in daily and remove very boring books from the shelves. When they found a man in a raincoat exposing himself on the other side of the shelves, they realized why. Good on you Norcs my friends. There's far worse things out there as Paul says. You've now established yourselves on the Folk Scene, and assured your success, but it won't go to your heads. |
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02 Feb 09 - 09:21 AM (#2555223) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine I wouldn't have known Norcsalordie was in any way offensive. Well there you go. Some years ago I saw a US indie band called Fuck who were very good, and not at all offensive, and whose name didn't seem to have put off either a record label or the promoter for their UK tour. |
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29 May 09 - 05:32 AM (#2643462) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Rasener Well I remember seeing a childrens series on telly back in the 50's called Muffin The Mule. What about Roger Whittaker What about this poor persons name Roger Mee http://www.ctsnet.org/home/rmee Have a look at the thread "Latest Big Al Whittle Song" its about Norcsalordie |
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29 May 09 - 08:01 AM (#2643530) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Bryn Pugh I am deeply offended. Our punk folk band was called "Grim Spew" (geddit ??) and the Seamen Marx". "Eartha Kitts" is local rhyming slang for - oh shit - I've forgotten. |
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29 May 09 - 12:52 PM (#2643685) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: john f weldon I shall call my new group "Flurqul#@gasm". Only I know what it means. If you ever found out, you would have to be revived with smelling salts and cold tea. |
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29 May 09 - 09:08 PM (#2643966) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Don(Wyziwyg)T If they ask Martin, just wink and say "It's an old Scottish word" Ten to one they'll believe you, even if they're Scots. Don T. |
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01 Jun 09 - 03:56 PM (#2645804) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Rafflesbear Actually Don, in the early days they used to say it was a town on the west coast of Scotland - and yes, people believed it It has however gone a sinister step further - the person who originally complained on Mudcat has now approached a city council who are running a festival in which Norcsalordie are taking part saying that they should not let them perform because of the name If that person is still about and reading this maybe you would like to explain to this forum what you find so offensive because judging by the responses above your viewpoint is not shared or understood - perhaps you have a different view on the meaning that is eluding the rest of us |
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02 Jun 09 - 09:39 AM (#2646421) Subject: RE: Norcsalordie - offensive name or not? From: Bryn Pugh Didn't one Side compose a Morris dance, "Farquanelle" ? |