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26 Mar 97 - 05:57 PM (#3520) Subject: Shanty: Johnny Todd From: stephen@bickerton.mersinet.co.uk I'm looking for a wav or au file for the tune to the shanty Johnny Todd. This was used as the theme tune to the BBC TV series "Z Cars" in the UK in the 1960's. |
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26 Mar 97 - 09:09 PM (#3526) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: Barry Finn Hi Stephen, I don't know about the wav or au files, but if you're looking for a tune you might try this. G/C/G/Em/Am/D7/G/C/D7/G/D7/G, I hope that helps. Jonny Todd would be considered a Forebitter or a Folks'l song instead of a sea shanty which would've been used while woking, with crew singing back a chours to the shantyman. |
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18 May 02 - 04:24 PM (#713034) Subject: Lyr Add: Johnny Todd From: Snuffy There are two versions in the DT database - JOHNNY TODD and JOLLY SAILOR. Joe Offer also posted an Irish version in this thread Irish Kid's Songs. All use the same tune. The version I've been singing for over 30 years has an extra bar in the third line, which also starts with ascending rather than descending thirds. The words also differ slightly to fit the tune. It's so long ago that I can't say where I got either words or tune, but it was probably in a folk club rather than from a record, and I have probably folk-processed the words in the intervening years. I have since found the tune given (in the key of F) in a First Step instructional book How to play the Flageolet (penny whistle) by E H Wickham.
JOHNNY TODD
Johnny Todd, he took a notion MIDI file: JOHNTOD2.MID Timebase: 480 Tempo: 160 (375000 microsec/crotchet) ABC format:
X: 70 |
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18 May 02 - 04:28 PM (#713036) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: Snuffy That should be JOLLY OLD SAILOR |
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18 May 02 - 07:00 PM (#713107) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: Gareth Hemmm ! which Version of the "Z - Cars ! theme, the original 1960's or the revamped !970's version. Aaaah! Come back Stratford John, aka "Barlow". Gareth |
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18 May 02 - 07:30 PM (#713130) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: Dead Horse Whatever happened to the fat one? Bet he never made it as a serious actor ;-} |
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18 May 02 - 07:52 PM (#713143) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: Art Thieme Gordon Bok did a nice version of "Johnny Todd" on his first album--years ago. It was on Verve/Forecast (later called Verve/Folkways). I used the tune of "Johnny Todd" for my broken-token ballad parody that I called "That's The Ticket. Art Thieme |
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18 May 02 - 09:25 PM (#713188) Subject: Lyr Add: JOHNNY TODD From: masato sakurai "Johnny Todd" is in Frank Kidson's Traditional Tunes: A Collection of Ballad Airs (1891; reprinted S.R. Publishers, 1970, pp. 103-104; with music).
JOHNNY TODD
("JOHNNY TODD is a child's rhyme and game, heard and seen played by Liverpool children. The air is somewhat pleasing, and the words appear old, though some blanks caused by the reciter's memory had to be filled up."--Kidson)
Johnny Todd he took a notion
"Why, fair young maid, are you a-weeping,
"I will buy you sheets and blankets,
Johnny Todd came back from sailing,
All young men who go a-sailing,
The "Z Cars" theme tune is based on this. For wav. & mp3,
~Masato
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18 May 02 - 09:28 PM (#713189) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: masato sakurai CLICK HERE. |
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19 May 02 - 01:27 AM (#713279) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: masato sakurai For background information, see Opie, The Singing Game (Oxford, 1985, pp. 137-140), under the title "Johnny the Sailor Boy".
"Frank Kidson was not to know that five years earlier an American anthropologist had come across children in Washington DC playing a ring game that, at the least, confirmed his claim that the song was not new:
Charlie took a notion
"The tune 'Johnnie Todd' was arranged by Bridget Fry and Fritz Spiegl, and became familiar to every home in Britain in the 1960s as the signature tune of the BBC television series Z Cars which is set in Liverpool." (Opie, pp. 138-39)
I haven't found a sea shanty version. ~Masato
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19 May 02 - 11:59 AM (#713470) Subject: Lyr Add: DIG FOR SILVER From: masato sakurai Three versions in Alice Bertha Giomme's The Traditional Games of England, Scotland, and Ireland, vol. 2 (1898; Dover, 1964, pp. 414-5, 428-9).
DIG FOR SILVER
Dig for silver, dig for gold,
Billy Johnson took a notion
HEAR ALL! LET ME AT HER
Hear all! let me at her;
-- has ta'en a notion
Hold your tongue, my own dear --,
I will buy thee beads and ear-rings,
-- says she'll wear the ribbons, ~Masato
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19 May 02 - 12:07 PM (#713475) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: masato sakurai Should have been "Alice Bertha Gomme". The Traditional Ballad Index (Click here) says "EARLIEST DATE: 1950s (recording, Bob Roberts)", which should be corrected. |
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19 May 02 - 04:49 PM (#713666) Subject: RE: Shanty: From: Art Thieme -------That's The Ticket TUNE: JOHNNY TODD by A.T. Nancy, a cute girl, is the owner of a shoe repair shop. (Thieme---line one--verse one) Willie brings his boots for repairs. (Thieme---line 2---verse one) Heels and soles need major overhauls...polishing is added as an afterthought.(verse two) Wllie reveals he's leaving on a seven year voyage. Asks what token of their ongoing pelvic affiliation they might split. (verse three) She rips the claim ticket in half and gives him his portion of ticket #8049. (verse four) He leaves and decides to return when his boots are again worn---seven years later. (Thieme---verse five) He walks into the shop and Nancy fails to recognize him as he has passed through puberty and can now grow a beard. (Thieme--verse # six) She tells him they can get married but to come back on Thursday because his shoes have not been repaired yet. (Thieme---verse seven) song ends (Thieme---verse eight)
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25 Feb 09 - 06:48 AM (#2575414) Subject: RE: Shanty: JOHNNY TODD From: GUEST,www.drijfhout-vlieland.nl sung by the dutch folkgroup drijfhout from the island of vlieland it changed a litlle!? |
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25 Feb 09 - 09:14 AM (#2575478) Subject: RE: Shanty: JOHNNY TODD From: Leadfingers PEDANT ALERT ! Johnny Todd is NOT a Shanty ! A Shanty is a WORK song for hauling , pumping or what ever . Johnny Todd is a Forebitter , a song the hands would sing for recreation . |
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25 Feb 09 - 09:22 AM (#2575485) Subject: RE: Shanty: JOHNNY TODD From: MartinRyan GUEST Tell us about the Dutch version? I've been on Terschelling and on Texel (which doesn't count, I know!) but never made Vlieland. Regards |
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20 Apr 09 - 06:32 PM (#2615188) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: GUEST,Guest2 hello, the version sang on Vlieland is on a CD "Gestrand op Vlieland" By a Group Drijfhout. On Vlieland a lot of groups are singing traditional songs. from the island but also english songs. groups from all over the world come to to this island becouse of the traditional music. |
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21 Apr 09 - 02:42 AM (#2615428) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: MartinRyan Thank you! |
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21 Apr 09 - 09:00 PM (#2616050) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) I was best friends with Isla Cameron, in the London of 1952. She sang, "Johnny Todd" often when we had singing gatherings(and party food if anyone had spare food stamps). Eventually she sang it into our tape recorder microphone, so I have it somewhere still. It's a sweet, lively song, and Isla was, also. Would she were still with us. I believe it was also included in a children's songbook of mine, From Fair to Fair. (Oxford U. Press; now the U. Press of Kentucky). |
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03 Jun 11 - 06:01 PM (#3164882) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: GUEST,JosMorn Amen, Leadfingers. |
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03 Jun 11 - 06:47 PM (#3164902) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: GUEST,Paul Burke "...humming to himself the chorus of a song that used to be popular on the gabbarts, but is now gone out of date, like 'The Captain with the Whiskers Took a Sly Glance at Me'. You may have heard it thirty years ago, before the steam puffer came in to sweep the sailing smack from all the seas that lie between Bowling and Stornoway. It runs: Young Munroe he took a notion For to sail across the sea, And he left his true love weeping, All alone on Greenock Quay." From 'Para Handy, Master Mariner' by Neil Nunroe in 1906. |
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19 Jan 12 - 10:03 AM (#3292788) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Charley Noble Anyone trace this old sea song back any further than the 1890s? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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19 Jan 12 - 01:29 PM (#3292919) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: GUEST,Doc John Yes Kytrad, Isla Cameron was indeed superb but virtually forgotten today. I saw her years and years ago at the Spinners' Folk Club in Liverpool; here was the best! I have an airshot of her singing John Anderson, My Jo (bawdy version & on BBC too) but nothing else. Does anyone know if any recordings are available? |
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19 Jan 12 - 05:59 PM (#3293073) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: mayomick Z Car's scriptwriter was Alan Prior - Maddy Prior's dad . |
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20 Jan 12 - 05:52 PM (#3293603) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: GUEST,pizel Paul Burke 3.6.11 makes mention of Neil Munroe. Munroe in a 1907 book gives us an insight into the sheepskin drum played in Scotland, this was called in Scotland a Dallan and it is the same as the Irish drum. Does anyone know the date when the Irish version first gets a mention in print? |
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20 Jan 12 - 08:12 PM (#3293653) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Paul Burke pizel: That deserves a thread of its own. No one will notice it here. |
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20 Jan 12 - 11:15 PM (#3293723) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Charley Noble refresh |
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26 May 16 - 04:41 AM (#3792244) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: FreddyHeadey Farmers Set http://open.spotify.com/track/2C3xMh6zlS0HTjoFrscPTZ GUEST,Doc John - Date: 19 Jan 12 It is on this album Isla Cameron - Through Bushes and Briars https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B002TG4D8S/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new http://open.spotify.com/album/2yDG2RPNmesM6Wg95TvOFg |
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26 May 16 - 04:52 AM (#3792249) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: banjoman Played at every home game at Goodison Park (Everton FC)when the players make their entrance. |
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26 May 16 - 06:45 AM (#3792262) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: MikeL2 Hi <" Played at every home game at Goodison Park (Everton FC)when the players make their entrance."> After their home form this year maybe it's time for a change. cheers MikeL2 |
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26 May 16 - 01:32 PM (#3792299) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: FreddyHeadey Related thread: (but not showing above) Johnny Todd & football : mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=159408 |
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29 Apr 20 - 11:42 PM (#4049467) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Joe Offer Refresh - more research needed Nice information in Mainly Norfolk |
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30 Apr 20 - 03:28 AM (#4049487) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Jim Carroll Johnny Todd isn't/wasn't a shanty - it may have been a folks'l song once (subg for leisure, but the version thatt survives in Liverpool children's song, maybe once connected to a street game The Critics, ans other singing workshops adopted it as a singing exercise, particularly useful for getting new singers used to singing tunes accurately It is an excelent exercise for 'unfoursquaring' (many new singers tend to break up words into syllables and not rune lines together, when the sense of the narrative suggests otherwise A 'simple' song like Johnny Todd is ideal for experimenting on I't's simplicity and child origins makes it unlikely to be 'spoiled' for serious performance Z-Cars (filmed in my home town of Kirkby) made it hackneyed enough to have been killed off as a serious song long before The Critics Group was a twinkle in Ewan's eye Jim Carroll |
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26 Sep 20 - 07:53 PM (#4073258) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: GUEST,Ann Hinchliffe Can anyone help with the original tune? I learnt it growing up on Merseyside -- from BBC Singing Together I think, very trad! -- with five bars in the third line not four. This fits the words given better than a standard four bars. I have a thing about how often irregular rhythms are tidied up which to my mind spoils their idiosyncrasy: why should everything be neat? let's relish the historically offbeat. I've found lots of refs to F Kidson which give 19thC lyrics, no tune. Would like to know how many bars originally. BTW, is this what you're referring to, Jim Carroll, as an exercise in accurate singing? |
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27 Sep 20 - 04:00 PM (#4073376) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Anglo Anyone know who wrote the parody, which starts: Johnny Todd he stole a Z ["zed"] car Just to give his bird a ride, By another was overtaken, Johnny Todd was soon inside. ??? As far as the music is concerned, it seems to be debatable whether "John-ny" starts the bar, or whether it's a pickup. |
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27 Sep 20 - 04:09 PM (#4073377) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: The Sandman jim, is unfortunately no longer with us |
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29 Sep 20 - 08:12 AM (#4073589) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: Nigel Parsons Guest Ann Hinchliffe asks for the Singing Together version. That's my cue I think. This is the version (with time change) from Singing Together which appeared in Autumn 1968 & Spring 1980 The words differ slightly from those already in the DT JOHNNY TODD Trad (English) Johnny Todd, he took a notion For to sail the ocean wide And he left his true love behind him Weeping by the Liverpool tide For a week, she wept full sorely Tore her hair and wrung her hands Then she met with another sailor Walking on the Liverpool sands ‘O fair young maid are you a weeping For your Johnny gone to sea? If you wed with me tomorrow I will kind and constant be.’ ‘I will buy you sheets and blankets I'll buy you a wedding ring You shall have a gilded cradle For to rock your baby in.’ Johnny Todd came back from sailing Sailing o’er the ocean wide, But he found that his fair and false one Was another sailor's bride All young men who go a-sailing Or to fight the foreign foe, Don’t you leave your love like Johnny Marry her before you go. X: 1 T: Johnny Todd M: 2/4 L: 1/8 C: Trad (England) Z: NP 29/09/2020 K: G d2B2| d2B2| GB dd\ ee dB| GA d3/d/| cB A2| GB d2|[M:3/4] G3/B/ AG FD| [M:2/4] GB d3/A/| c/c/B G2|| w: | | John-ny Todd, he took a no-tion For to sail the o-cean wide And he left his true love be-hind him Weep-ing by the Li-ver-pool tide Sourced from Singing Together. The words & music in both issues containing this song are the same (not always the case with Singing Together). The music, with first verse, can be viewed by copy/pasting from "X:1" to "Li-ver-pool tide" into an ABC converter such as the one here: Mandolintab.net NP |
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04 Oct 20 - 07:11 PM (#4074335) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: FreddyHeadey Anglo,there's another thread for the stole\pinched\nicked parody thread.cfm?threadid=66816 no answer though. |
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04 May 21 - 11:34 AM (#4104700) Subject: RE: Johnny Todd From: Felipa no word of what Johnny Todd did when he heard the news ... unike the jilted Norwegian lover in "Skjøn Jomfru" |
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07 May 21 - 01:27 AM (#4105106) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: The Sandman he went off on his Tod, but first he read the tale of Mr Tod by Beatrice Potter |
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08 May 21 - 05:02 PM (#4105312) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Johnny Todd From: WalkaboutsVerse When I was building my repertoire years ago, I got the words and tune from the Digital Traditional Mirror, and it is still available here . It goes too low for my tenor recorder/English flute, so I transposed it from the key of C to F Major - I seem to recall someone at a session kindly checking it for me. |