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17 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM (#2468399) Subject: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener The Gazette & Herald that covers North Yorkshire are willing to run an article on this problem. If you phone David Jeffells on Mobile 07870 274680 or Home 01723 863395, he will create the article. He is available all weekend. Basically, if you are still owed money for tickets that you paid for the 2008 Festival or are owed money for services, he would like to talk to you, so that he has a story to go with. He would like people to offer their name, but stated that it wasn't necessary if you so wished. So this is your big chance to get this situation plastered all over the North Yorkshire newspapers. |
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17 Oct 08 - 05:11 PM (#2468595) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: The Sandman no. but anyone who is,should take this up[imo] |
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17 Oct 08 - 05:24 PM (#2468610) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Jack Campin What happened? There doesn't seem to be a previous thread about it. |
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17 Oct 08 - 05:28 PM (#2468613) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener There is Jack.It was called Pickering Folk Festival: Tickets Online, which developed into people saying how they are not able to get their money back after the Festival was cancelled |
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17 Oct 08 - 06:14 PM (#2468650) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Tootler The other thread was just below this one when I clicked here, but here's a link to it anyway http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=113028&messages=92 |
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17 Oct 08 - 06:42 PM (#2468678) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: The Sandman frankly this organiser is a nincompoop,first he organises afestival theat clashes with Saltburn,then he organises it to clash with Ryedale Folk Weekend. |
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17 Oct 08 - 06:46 PM (#2468679) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener I think he is more than that Captain Birdseye Hopefully people will go to teh newspaper and expose this guy for what he is. |
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17 Oct 08 - 06:55 PM (#2468687) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Greycap Who was the guy? I'm still in the dark on this one, but don't want to be stung in the future. |
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17 Oct 08 - 06:57 PM (#2468692) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener The main organiser is Mr Simon Boak, The Events Office |
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17 Oct 08 - 07:04 PM (#2468696) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Greycap Thanks for the info, Villan. Simon Boak, huh? Don't think I've ever heard of him in 48 years of involvement in the folk club world. Is he new, keen & stupid? Or old, wily & crooked? Any opinions needed here? What's his track record on folk music events? |
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17 Oct 08 - 07:09 PM (#2468706) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener probably wily & crooked & respected in Pickering and very hard to get |
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17 Oct 08 - 07:14 PM (#2468711) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener I guess it would help greatly if mudcatters could get first post on this thread on as many different websites as possible across the UK. The more people who let him know that they haven't had their money back, the stronger will be the reporters investigation and newspaper report |
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18 Oct 08 - 07:11 AM (#2469021) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Join this group Pickering Folk Festival 2008 - Are you owed money |
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18 Oct 08 - 07:12 AM (#2469023) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Thanks for starting this thread. I've just rung David Jeffells and left a message for him to call me. Let's hope that we can get enough people together to persuade him to run the article. If The Events Office are trying to run the rescheduled festival we need to warn people not to part with their money until the situation with refunds is resolved. |
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18 Oct 08 - 09:10 AM (#2469091) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Raggytash Before anyone commits libel it would be well to remember that the festival was genuinely cancelled because of inclement weather |
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18 Oct 08 - 10:42 AM (#2469136) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Raggytash, we're not doubting (well, I'm not) that there was a genuine reason for cancelling the festival - we were due to go up to Northumberland with the caravan afterwards and our campsite was closed as well. What we are questioning are the actions of the organiser who, after promising refunds from 27 August has failed to deliver or to communicate with us. |
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18 Oct 08 - 11:02 AM (#2469155) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Thats correct what the leveller says Raggytash. Its about trying to get the money back. So if there is enough people who have not got tehir money back, then the paper will do a solurge on why not. So we are not running into libel, just trying to get the guy to pay the money back that he took of the customers. |
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19 Oct 08 - 07:26 AM (#2469776) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,aelfleda Hi I've spoken with David Jeffells on the phone this morning outlining our plight. I've suggested to David that he might want to visit Mudcat to get some idea of the number of people who are owed money & the efforts that people have been making to get their refunds Cheers Jude |
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19 Oct 08 - 08:25 AM (#2469804) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST I, too, spoke to him this morning. Nice chap. Looks like there'll be an article soon - probably this week. |
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19 Oct 08 - 08:56 AM (#2469822) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener That sounds great Jude Les Guest - that sounds very positive. It would be good to know about any articles that get in the press. |
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19 Oct 08 - 10:26 AM (#2469880) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Oops, above guest was me. |
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19 Oct 08 - 11:03 AM (#2469914) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge I `ad that Simon Boak with a sweat on in my cab the other day. `e said, "Can you get me to Heathrow, sharpish like?" I said, "Yeah, what`s all the rush then. You late for your plane?" `e said, "Nah, it`s all them on that Mudcat. They reckon `cos my planning clashed with other festivals I took the dosh and did a runner." I said, " Did ya?" `e said, "Nah. I just strolled out of the place!!" Whaddam I like?? |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:02 AM (#2470486) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle I have been away for the weekend so haven't seen this thread until now.I intend to try to contact David Jeffells later today. |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:28 AM (#2470489) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener He would be very pleased to hear from you Barbara. |
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20 Oct 08 - 10:41 AM (#2470726) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,chris at electraglade Hello I'm also owed money from Pickering Festival, and am organising some press and publicity to ensure that this apparant fraud is investigated and exposed. Any info, please contact chris electraglade@aol.com I have some contact with people who know one of the organisers (who also organised a Celtic Festival in Whitby the other year) so they shouldn't be too difficult to trace. cheers |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:14 PM (#2470833) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle Chris, I've just tried to email you but the message has been bounced back.We know that the main organiser is Simon Boak and that contact details are on The Events Office website: www.theeventsoffice.co.uk. Unfortunately, emails and letters are ignored and should you manage to make contact via the telephone,you will be subjected to evasion and false claims as to when the money will be refunded. |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:22 PM (#2470842) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Uncle_DaveO If he is competent as an organizer (and I don't have he foggiest idea whether he is) he will have had insurance against being weathered out. So canceling because of weather is no excuse for not returning deposits. Dave Oesterreich |
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20 Oct 08 - 12:23 PM (#2470846) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Chris At the moment, their is no evidence that fraud is involved. What is a fact, is that it would seem lots of people who paid for their tickets, haven't had it back yet. Unless of course you have some damning evidence that we are not privy to. Les |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:00 PM (#2470943) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,emm lou Hi all - after i posted on the original thread i decided to write a letter of complaint and demanding our refund to Simon Boak and sent it via recorded delivery so he should have received this today. I'm going to call the reporter about this too as I think the more people that do the better. If anyone has any advice on any legal action we can take then please help! It may also be worth contacting Folk Roots magazine about this. |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:54 PM (#2470993) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST Any action would have to be through the Small Claims Court. I'm considering doing this myself if we don't get our refunds soon. |
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20 Oct 08 - 02:55 PM (#2470994) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Damn. That as me. |
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20 Oct 08 - 03:17 PM (#2471015) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Folkiedave You can do the Small Claims Court on-line nowadays. http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/onlineservices/mcol/index.htm I succesfully sued Carphone Warehouse over a faulty telephone they refused to replace. You save £5.00 (£25.00 instead of £30.00) but otherwise I thought it was easy to do and user friendly as they say. The problem is that if you win you need to enforce it and it may be spending good money chasing bad. |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:50 PM (#2471171) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Tootler The small claims court does work. My daughter and her friend successfully sued their former landlord after he refused to return their deposit on their flat when they left. They were awarded the full amount (£1000) less £50 for some rewiring that had been done. I suspect the judge only gave the landlord that to avoid him appealing. They actually got their money as well. I think that was partly because the money was held by the estate agents that had acted for the landlord and they felt he had cheated them. |
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21 Oct 08 - 03:23 AM (#2471516) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Darowyn I lived on the Yorkshire Coast for many years, and I remember Simon Boak's name appearing on promo posters over twenty years ago. He has been around for a long time, mostly promoting Country Shows, Traction Engine Rallies etc. I have vague memories of dealing with him with no problems. Unless his business has collapsed drastically this summer, and that is possible, I would say that you should not give up hope. It will be strongly in Mr Boak's interest to maintain his good name in the area. Cheers Dave |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:19 AM (#2471583) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle Good luck emm lou, I did the same 14 days ago and have had no response whatsoever to my letter. I now intend to send a second letter and will no doubt have to resort to the small claims court: thank you everyone for your advice re this. |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:31 AM (#2471585) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener You might be interested in looking at this http://www.new.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=44286860585&topic=5513&ref=mf |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:34 AM (#2471587) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle Please explain why my message posted minutes ago has been deleted - I don't understand. |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:36 AM (#2471590) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle Apologies - just realised that I'm mistaken re deletion - think I need a lie down in a darkened room. Thanks Villan,I'll try to access the info but the machine I'm currently using doesn't allow me to do so. |
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21 Oct 08 - 01:33 PM (#2471956) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle I have received my refund. A postal order for the appropriate amount arrived today. May I encourage those of you still trying to persevere and thank you to anyone who offered advice. |
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21 Oct 08 - 02:23 PM (#2472006) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Well thats excellent news Barbara |
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21 Oct 08 - 02:46 PM (#2472029) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Michelle As sad as it is that we're all waiting for our money, I'm glad to have found this forum and to know I'm not the only one waiting. Sounds like we've all tried the same things to get our refunds; I was also fobbed off on the phone (once I'd eventually got through) and no response to my emails. Not sure what to do next really. Might just be patient for a little while longer, after all Barbara got her money back. Think I will contact the guy at the Herald & Gazette. I hope nobody else loses their money. Thanks |
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21 Oct 08 - 04:03 PM (#2472105) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Dennis the Elder With a little luck no one will actually loose their money, just be deprived of it for a while!! |
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22 Oct 08 - 02:37 AM (#2472482) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle A friend was informed on the telephone yesterday that her date for a refund of £150 was November 10th. She objected to waiting until then and now awaits further developments. |
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22 Oct 08 - 03:53 AM (#2472504) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Mr Red There is going to be more of this kind of problem in years to come. Saul has given up for 2009, after 2007 floods and a near problem this year, and Shrewsbury Showground was flooded three weeks after the festival, a near miss. Expectations that floods don't happen in summer is way out of date. Given the economic climate as well, a lot of people will decide at the last minute and that is a stress that may cause organisers to cancel. Here we are discussing entertainment, business, employment, that calls itself Folk. A return to "Folk" Festivals may be the answer. |
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22 Oct 08 - 04:06 AM (#2472508) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle Saul refunded without problems after 2007 and I was happy to make a donation of part of my money to help offset the inevitable costs of the cancellation.No doubt many others did the same. The way Pickering dealt with the situation bears no resemblance to the way Saul treated their customers. People were kept well informed at every stage of the process, something which has been sadly lacking in Pickering's case. |
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22 Oct 08 - 04:12 AM (#2472511) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Folkiedave A return to "Folk" Festivals may be the answer. I am not sure what the difference is!! Care to explain? |
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22 Oct 08 - 05:35 AM (#2472552) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,JR http://www.maltonmercury.co.uk/news/Folk-fans39-fury-over-ticket.4616990.jp |
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22 Oct 08 - 06:16 AM (#2472571) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Nothing new there, then. It seems that threats of legal action are the only way to get them to do something. In the meantime, tickets for Ryedale are now on sale. I'll be ordering mine today - at least I know they can be relied on. |
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22 Oct 08 - 06:45 AM (#2472577) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Simon Boakes has just called me and explained the situation at length. He says that the refunds will now be made as quickly as possible (in the next few days). He apologised profusely for the situation, which arose from some inexperienced people in the Events Office who weren't properly briefed on the situation giving false information about how quickly it was possible to make refunds. He is anxious to run a festival but doesn't want to clash with others, so he asked my advice on when would be the best time to hold the rescheduled event. (The suggestion of moving it to later in June so it didn't clash with Ryedale was made - what's the opinion?) I have to say that I felt he was genuine, both in his explanation and his desire to run a successful folk festival that would appeal to as many people as possible. He suggested that, in the future, monies paid would be held by someone independent of the organisers so that people could be certain it was in safe hands. Let's see if we receive the refunds as promised and take it from there. |
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22 Oct 08 - 01:13 PM (#2472906) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Mr Red Folkie Dave don't be so provocative. You of all people. Folk is about people. Introduce money and there is risk. Bigger the money, bigger the risk. Bigger the egos. How did all these big festivals start? Lots of enthusiasts and just a pub to help with the tent. A lot of DIY. Simple, modest and FOLK. When money is (was) tight thats what FOLK do. And Knowing Clive Field at Saul as I do - and knowing their purpose - they handled it as you would hope. Not all ticket holders at Saul bothered to apply for a refund, the rule there was to announce a deadline so that they could get their books audited. A lot of performers waved their rights in contract and got booked the next year. I can imagine Pickering have a cash flow problem and if the business ethic is not of the best order you can imagine there is a tactic in play. Quieten the loudest and those wot don't shout don't want. Let this be a warning for next year. |
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22 Oct 08 - 01:22 PM (#2472914) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle I wholeheartedly agree re the warning Mr Red and would advise anyone considering booking for next year's proposed Pickering Folk Festival to be extremely wary. It seems a strange coincidence that Simon Boak's phone call to theleveller was apparently made after an article appeared in the Malton and Pickering Mercury. A case of too little,too late as far as I am concerned. |
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22 Oct 08 - 01:42 PM (#2472939) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,JR Let's be fair here. Refunds had started PRIOR to the article being published. There is a very good chance that this is a business that has been doing it's best in very difficult circumstances. |
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22 Oct 08 - 03:28 PM (#2473028) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST "I can imagine Pickering have a cash flow problem and if the business ethic is not of the best order you can imagine there is a tactic in play. Quieten the loudest and those wot don't shout don't want." Don't understand what you mean by that. I've nothing against businesses organising festivals on a proit-making basis, as long as they're good festivals that are value for money which, to be fair, is what Pickering seemed to be at the time. Let's face it there are some unbelievably crap festivals about run by rank amateurs who haven't the least idea what they're doing and some run for profit that are equally crap. If you don't think money should be an issue, then you can't believe that there should be professional folk performers. Fair enough - I can see the argument for that but, in the end, you pays yer money (or not) etc etc. Personally, I'm going to wait and see what happens. |
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22 Oct 08 - 03:29 PM (#2473032) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Sod it. Keep losing my cookies on this computer. That was me. |
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23 Oct 08 - 01:40 AM (#2473429) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle JR, The phone call from Simon Boak to theleveller appears to have been made after the publication of the article, and after the Events Office had been contacted by the newspaper re the matter. I suspect that you are not one of the people who has spent countless fruitless hours merely trying to elicit any response from the Evnts Office, let alone an honest one. |
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23 Oct 08 - 04:57 AM (#2473478) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Beany Barbara, I am delighted that you have received your refund. However they cannot be doing this in alphabetical order as they originally stated that they would as our surname is before yours! I wonder if its because you had sent the recorded delivery letter and threatened another one? It was me who contacted the Malton and Pickering Mercury and spoke at length to Sheila, a reporter there. I have just read the article - whooppee. Lets hope that this is the start of the end to this sad state of affairs. Fingers crossed for my refund. Beany |
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23 Oct 08 - 05:48 AM (#2473506) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Barbara Hoyle Beany, I don't understand the logic either;as with any telephone contact made with the office,the story changes daily. I had in fact posted the second recorded delivery letter, which stated that legal action was imminent,immediately prior to receiving my refund. Congratulations on your efforts re the Malton and Pickering Mercury. |
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23 Oct 08 - 06:10 AM (#2473516) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Captain Sensible If the business has shelled-out money they cannot recoup, they indeed have cashflow problems, and those that threaten will be dealt with first. Punters, by and large, will be slower than businesses to respond - the Folk world is a trusting place until bitten. Whatever Pickering Festival do, it will be event-driven because they probably don't have cash left over from reciepts, and were probably banking on late sales anyway. Whether you like the way they are doing it, or not, the only sensible way to deal with it is to understand their position, and act. Which in this context is to give them a big motivational push. Like publicity, like the law. And do it before there is literally no money to be got, law or no law you can't get it if they declare bankrupcy. Except maybe pence in the pound. Would credit card payments protect you in this context (within a month of the festival)? I don't know. And was this the first year of the festival? If it was, caveat emptor. |
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23 Oct 08 - 06:19 AM (#2473522) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Folkiedave Would credit card payments protect you in this context (within a month of the festival)? I don't know. If it does apply then it is only for sums over £100.00 Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 states that the lender of money for a purchase is jointly responsible with the seller for the purchaser getting the goods or service purchased, or receiving a full refund if they do not receive the goods or service. What this means in practice is that if you paid more than £100.00 by a UK issued personal credit card (but not a debit or charge card), then you can claim ALL the money you paid (irrespective of how you paid it) provided that the maximum contrcat value does not exceed £30,000, back from the card company or lender if you do not get what you bought. However be prepared for the card company to resist. Well there's a surprise!! |
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23 Oct 08 - 06:21 AM (#2473524) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Folkiedave Sorry I meant to say basically I think it is statute of limitations as far as time is concerned i.e. six years. It begins once you are aware of the problem. And I am not a solicitor - I do not purport to give legal advice. |
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23 Oct 08 - 06:23 AM (#2473525) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST Hi I got a phone message from the main man last night apologising for the delay & promising me my refund next week. I've got my fingers crossed! Jude |
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23 Oct 08 - 08:01 AM (#2473593) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Thats good news Jude Les |
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23 Oct 08 - 10:06 AM (#2473691) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Besty at work That's very good news Villan , isn't St.Jude the patron St. of lost causes. |
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23 Oct 08 - 10:30 AM (#2473715) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Sarah Derry |
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23 Oct 08 - 10:43 AM (#2473731) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Sarah Derry Sorry! I clicked before I popped my message on. Just to let you know I have just come off phone to a pleasant lady at the Events Office. She said commencing from last week they're saying to people it will be 6-8 weeks for refunds to be made and definitely before Christmas - although I got the impression this may not be in alphabetical order?. She seemed keen to help and took my name and was apologetic so yet again, I'll take their word for it and wait (with hopefully not mis-placed) confidence! But this is the last time, then I'll be following Barbara's example. I did mention this forum and they knew all about it! Thanks for all who organised the newspaper article/sent recorded mail. Sarah |
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23 Oct 08 - 12:20 PM (#2473829) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: nutty Once again we can all thank Max for providing (at no cost to anyone) this wonderful Forum which enables everyone to get together. When you get your refunds you could 'click on the fish' and send a small thankyou. |
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23 Oct 08 - 01:27 PM (#2473886) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Richard Bridge Funny, I'm sure I posted a very mild comment wondering whether, for all we knew, we should be haveing sympathy for an organiser who tried his best but now has his business and maybe house on the line. Just a stray thought. Did I get modded or was there a glitsch in the ether? |
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23 Oct 08 - 01:44 PM (#2473913) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: nutty Save your sympathy for the poor people who have been fighting to get their money back. The organiser is an established business man who (up till now) has not treated his 'customers' with the respect they deserved after trying to support his enterprise. |
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23 Oct 08 - 02:38 PM (#2473975) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Couldn't have said it better Nutty. We can do without people like him in the folk world. |
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23 Oct 08 - 04:46 PM (#2474079) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Richard Bridge You may very well be right - but I don't know, so I asked. |
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24 Oct 08 - 04:04 AM (#2474550) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller I certainly think we can thank this forum for helping to get our money back (which I'm now fairly confident we will) and I'd also like to thank The Villain for his work in bringing it to the notice of the press. Cheers Les. This has all served as a salutory lesson for anyone seeking to organise a new folk festival but I hope it won't put off those who genuinely want to break new ground. If it hadn't been for people with vision and determination, we wouldn't have the superb Folk On The Moors events created by Richerd and Jeanette Grainger or new festivals like Shepley. |
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24 Oct 08 - 04:53 AM (#2474574) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener No Problems theleveller. I don't like seeing people done. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:25 AM (#2474871) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,aelfleda Got my cheque & a letter of apology this morning. Thanks everyone & hope that those of you who haven't had your refunds yet get them soon. jude |
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24 Oct 08 - 11:01 AM (#2474891) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Thats excellent Jude Do you know what the line up is for Moor & Coast next year yet? Cheers Les Worrall |
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24 Oct 08 - 11:49 AM (#2474935) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,M&C Chris Guests we're hoping for at next years Moor and Coast include Vin Garbutt, Something Nasty In The Woodshed, Anthony John Clarke, Ember, Dan McKinnon and a few others who've slipped my mind. Looking forward to it. |
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24 Oct 08 - 11:51 AM (#2474940) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Crow Sounds good. Will definately make it then. Is it really the last one?! |
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24 Oct 08 - 12:39 PM (#2474988) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Hi Chris Thanks for that. Blimey is that true that it is the last one. What will whitby do with all its fish and chips. |
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25 Oct 08 - 06:48 AM (#2475699) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Miss Jones Hello, does anyone know are the refunds going out in alphabetical order as I haven't still seen anything! We are moving house on Monday and I don't want to think a cheque has got lost in the redirected post!!! Hels |
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25 Oct 08 - 08:01 AM (#2475732) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller I doubt if they're going out in alphabetical order. I received mine yesterday and my name begins with 'T'. Maybe they're going out in order that they were booked - I booked mine quite early one. Maybe there's no order at all. If you're moving, contact them and give them your new address. |
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30 Oct 08 - 01:03 PM (#2480015) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST They can't be going out in alphabetical order - my surname begins with B and I'm still waiting. About to start the electronic / county court process now. |
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05 Dec 08 - 07:39 AM (#2508515) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Qwertyco December the 5th 2008, and Mr."P" is still waiting for his alphabetical £300 refund. Apparently the box office is closed yesterday and today because the staff are all at the showground. Presumably shoveling snow about! |
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09 Dec 08 - 05:48 PM (#2511169) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Guest, Newcastle December 9th and still no refund. Might be worth getting on to the news paper guy again. Will have to go back through the posts to find his details. I think the events office should get lots of negative publicity, if for no other reason than to stop others losing their money with these crims. |
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09 Dec 08 - 07:58 PM (#2511285) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Greycap Hey, folks, Bitter experience tells me, I was once booked at a festival at Harewood outside Leeds, years ago, where everybody in music was booked, nobody was ever paid. I regretfully feel that you paid your money to an absolute crook, who never had any, whatsoever, intention of holding a festival in the first instance,and knew folkies were nice people, but very gullible. Look,please, for example, at the other festivals over that date.They all co-incide.warning? Look, again, at the all artistes booked. Look at the prices, ok? My wife and I said at the time that it was identical to one of the Halifax festivals in the 60/70s where everybody in the world was booked, nobody was ever paid, lots of the audience suffered Hyperthermyia, no pay, no money back.... it was the weather....yeah, sure. Experience helps...you aren't getting your money back..,. Boak is a F..... thief. You lost this one, be careful in future. |
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10 Dec 08 - 02:23 AM (#2511418) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener To Save people looking back for the newspaper contact detials, here it is again. The Gazette & Herald that covers North Yorkshire are willing to run an article on this problem. If you phone David Jeffells on Mobile 07870 274680 or Home 01723 863395, Basically, if you are still owed money for tickets that you paid for the 2008 Festival or are owed money for services, he would like to talk to you, so that he has a story to go with. He would like people to offer their name, but stated that it wasn't necessary if you so wished. So this is your big chance to get this situation plastered all over the North Yorkshire newspapers. |
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10 Dec 08 - 03:48 AM (#2511445) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Folkiedave My wife and I said at the time that it was identical to one of the Halifax festivals in the 60/70s where everybody in the world was booked, nobody was ever paid, lots of the audience suffered Hyperthermyia, no pay, no money back.... it was the weather....yeah, sure. It was held at Barkisland as I remember. And the weather was awful. if the audience suffered hypothermia in the middle of August, you can reckon that the weather was bad!! Not really a comparison IMHO. |
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10 Dec 08 - 12:10 PM (#2511782) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,yoyo You shouldn't be so nasty about Simon Boak!! |
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11 Dec 08 - 03:55 AM (#2512349) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Greycap hey, Yoyo, Why not? |
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11 Dec 08 - 04:18 AM (#2512358) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Ho Ho Ho, why not? Is he going to be Father Christmas and deliver all the money he owes to all the goodly folkies he owes it too? He has yo yo'ed people around enough as it is. |
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11 Dec 08 - 04:23 AM (#2512364) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,MC Fat (at work) Some you may not be aware that the dialect work for sick in Scottish is 'BOAK' as in 'It's enuff tae make ye boak' i.e. 'It is enough to make one vomit'. Quite apt really |
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11 Dec 08 - 06:58 PM (#2513078) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: stallion Hey I don't think Mr Boak is a crook. he was a businessman who needed to maximise the profits from the showground and took a punt at running a folk festival and it went tits up, it isn't pleasant to have to deal with the aftermath and many of them must feel wretched, yes and a whole lot are waiting for their money, which may or may not arrive. I stick by my post at the very outset of this venture wher i wished them well but in my experience successful folk festivals grew from little acorns and didn't appear overnight as it were, caveat emptor! |
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15 Dec 08 - 12:27 PM (#2515935) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,yoyo Everyone makes mistakes! |
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15 Dec 08 - 01:22 PM (#2515993) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Rasener Just seen this post on the Pickering Forum by somebody called Jimbo. >> Posts: 1 Re: Pickering Folk Festival Launched Reply #9 - Today at 15:30:10 Quote BEWARE ALL POTENTIAL SUPPLIERS AND CUSTOMERS WHO EITHER SUPPLY OR BUY FROM THE EVENTS OFFICE ORGANISATION. THEY ARE A BUNCH OF THEIVING NO GOOD W******. BECAUSE THEY CANCELLED THE PICKERING FOLK FESTIVAL I AM OUT OF POCKET TO THE TUNE OF £600 FOR SUPPLYING THEM WITH SERVICES FOR THE EVENT TOGETHER WITH OTHER NUMEROUS SUPPLIERS AND ARTISTS. DO NOT GO ANYWHERE NEAR THIS BUNCH OF THEIVING CON ARTISTS OR YOU WILL LOSE A LOT OF MONEY. HOW MANY PUNTERS BOUGHT TICKETS FOR THE FESTIVAL AND HAVE NOT HAD A REFUND YET ???? WE ARE SUING THE ARSE OFF SIMON BOAK AND IF THEIRS ANYONE OUT THERE WHO HAS BEEN SCREWED BY THIS ORGANISATION AS WELL, LET ME KNOW IT WILL ONLY ADD TO THIS GUY GETTING SCREWED BY THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM. WATCH OUT SIMON, YOU NEVER KKNOW WHO'S GOING TO TAP YOU ON THE SHOULDER WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT ! << http://theeventsoffice.co.uk/msg/YaBB.pl?num=1208273995/0 |
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21 Dec 08 - 08:25 AM (#2521282) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: SPB-Cooperator The proper contraction for 'there is' is there's. Theirs is the 3rd person plural posessive pronoun- which should be their. |
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22 Dec 08 - 04:28 PM (#2522443) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Dravinger Just received a letter to say The Events Office has ceased trading but another company is acquiring some of the Events Office business... What's the betting that the 'new' company has the same set of directors or owners? Fat chance of getting any money back from them now. They have offered a free pass to next years festival (now called "The Yorkshire Folk Festival") even if you have had a refund. This sounds good to start with until you ask yourself what the line up will be - if we are struggling to get a refund what about the bands? So what chance of a line up of a similar quality or any of the acts who were supposed to play last August? Question is can you trust them? I don't. |
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08 Jan 09 - 07:17 AM (#2534950) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Karen L I'd like to hear of anyone who has had sucess in claiming thier money back through small claims court. Also is anyone goingto go for this ofer of free pass to next year's event? I don't know what to do? I'm going to contact watchdog programme. |
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08 Jan 09 - 07:20 AM (#2534952) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST I'd be very suprised if many artists. traders or anyone else would touch this event with a bargepole now (apart from anything else if the weather is bad in May it isnt beyond the realms of possibility the same thing could happen again - it being the Vale of Pickering after all) |
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17 Jan 09 - 05:25 PM (#2541684) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST Greycap, you're a COCK! "BOAK IS A F***ING THIEF!!!" Ain't that a bit strong? I'm more inclined to side with Stallion's version of events. I truly hope that people get their refunds of course but at least Mr Boak is trying to settle the matter albeit slowly! If he was a f***ing thief, don't you think he may have made off with all the booty? I, for one, hope he succeeds with his events because, having gone to many of them for years, they're successful, well-organised shows. He appears to have got his fingers burned with this one but I still reckon he'll come back bigger and bolder. He's not a conman. Probably just a businessman that was out of his depth. One other thing to mention is that, if he had no knowledge of the folk music scene, then how on earth did he manage to get together such a fabulous line up? I wish him and all of you well and hope that the matter resolves itself quickly. |
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17 Jan 09 - 05:45 PM (#2541703) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST May I also suggest that The Villain's posting that was taken from the Pikering Forum may be a tad defamatory. I'm very surprised that Mudcat have allowed this to be posted. If I were Mr Boak I would be looking very carefully at this thread with my legal advisor in response. Threatening behaviour is insinuated too. Not very good or professional Mudcat, regardless of Mr Boak's activities. |
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20 Jan 09 - 01:31 PM (#2544176) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,yoyo Simon Boak is just a business man who has made a mistake. All his other events are very good. |
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20 Jan 09 - 02:07 PM (#2544205) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: The Sandman 100. Greycap is a respected performer who has earned his living on the folkscene for many years. Simon Boak owes a lot of people money, anonymous guest,piss off. |
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20 Jan 09 - 07:24 PM (#2544526) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Greycap Well, thank you, Captain Birdseye. I'm tickled, oh, and I don't owe money to lots of innocent punters who deserve a fair deal and aren't getting it. |
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23 Jan 09 - 11:46 AM (#2547072) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,yoyo Have any of u even met Simon Boak? |
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23 Jan 09 - 12:13 PM (#2547094) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: theleveller Never met him but he did ring me up and spent around 20 minutes on the phone towards the end of last year, explaining what had happened. I really do believe that he wanted to organise a really good folk event (and make money, of course). He said that he had advice from someone prominent in the folk scene in Whitby. I must say that I don't think he's a conman (but, then, I did get my money back). I do, however, think that he's guilty of a big breach of good faith in promising refunds that he hasn't delivered. I suspect that he simply hasn't got the money to make the refunds at the moment - whether he will in the future is anyone's guess. As for a folk festival in the Pickering area on the May Bank Holiday weekend - I, for one, will be going to Ryedale Folk Weekend just up the road in Hutton-le-Hole, same as I did last year. Brilliant little festival! Hope to see some of you there. |
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23 Jan 09 - 06:53 PM (#2547425) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Dennis the Elder I do know Simon quite well for many years, doing Health and Safety and Food Hygiene consultancy for him at his Steam Traction events. He is without doubt a nice man, but unfortunatly his luck and business sense lets him down quite often. |
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24 Jan 09 - 06:56 AM (#2547722) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: The Sandman leveller,yes,Iam booked to be therehttp://www.dickmiles.com |
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17 Feb 09 - 08:58 AM (#2569098) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Qwertyco The Events Office website: http://pickeringfolkfestival.theeventsoffice.co.uk is now defunct!, though the elusive Mr.B is still to be found in the area. |
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17 Feb 09 - 09:13 AM (#2569115) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST QUOTE: From: Dennis the Elder Date: 23 Jan 09 - 06:53 PM "I do know Simon quite well for many years, . . . . . . He is without doubt a nice man". Perhaps he'd be "Nice" enough to give me back the £300 he owes me. How much does he owe you? |
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17 Feb 09 - 02:25 PM (#2569358) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Nick >>Simon Boak is just a business man who has made a mistake. All his other events are very good. If his other events are very good he'd presumably have made enough money to reimburse those he has not so far repaid |
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17 Feb 09 - 02:37 PM (#2569368) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: The Sandman business men and thieves,now this is interesting,the two are sometimes interchangeable,. just take a look at what happened in Iceland,and next it seems someone called Stanford is going to be accused of fraud,they are all good businessmen ,or are they good thieves? . who cares what they are called. all that matters is that they return the money ,to those ,that they have taken it from . |
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19 Feb 09 - 05:50 PM (#2571261) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Dravinger Well it looks like the "Yorkshire Folk Festival" we were offered free tickets to isn't going to happen either - the weekend of 23rd 24th and 25th May is now the dates for the Yorkshire Food Festival at the Pickering Show Ground http://www.theeventsoffice.co.uk/ and I guess that will probably sink into the Pickering mud too especially if Mr Boak has anything to do with it. I might have lost only £80 (which my credit card company won't refund as it's under the £100 threshold) on the tickets but it's the 500 mile round trip for nothing and a disappointed family that really p***ed me off. It also looks like the bands haven't been paid or compensated either for the last minute cancellation. I found this on The Waterboys web site: PICKERING FESTIVAL REFUNDS UPDATE 27th Jan 2009 Many people have contacted us to say they still haven't received ticket refunds for the cancelled Pickering Festival of last August. We're very sorry to hear this but not surprised, because The Waterboys haven't been paid either despite the show being cancelled only the day before and the band having already incurred costs in advance. Anyone still waiting for refunds is advised to report the matter to The Trading Standards and Consumer Advice Office, 9 St Leonard's Place, York YO1 7ET. Or you could try chasing the promoter: Simon Boak, The Events Office, PO Box 1, Pickering, North Yorkshire, YO18 7YG. Telephone; 01751 473780. Good luck! |
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25 Feb 09 - 07:58 AM (#2575438) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Qwertyco I have been in contact with the new owner of the Pickering Showground, Mr.H. He phoned me personally, and has supplied me with the following, which seems to clarify a lot of the rumour and gossip surrounding this whole sorry affair. Mr.H. Bought the showground, and it's associated websites last year. He employs two of the former events office staff, to man his new company. Simon Boak has no connection with the new company. He has no responsibility for Mr.Boak's debts, past, present or future! He is offering complimentary tickets (for 2008 ticketholders) for the 2009 festival purely as an act of goodwill. Looks like the trail ends firmly at Mr. Boak's door! |
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26 Jun 09 - 12:47 PM (#2665317) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,jacobsgoldmine I would question if Mr Boak has anything to do with the new company, if so why was he handing out money on the showfield at Selby stem fair to the traction engine exhibitors????? 2 weekends ago |
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07 Jul 09 - 05:34 AM (#2673666) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Dennis the Elder Should the last message be removed |
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09 Jul 09 - 07:47 AM (#2675586) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Dennis the Elder Obviously the message I referred to was removed. |
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20 Jul 09 - 04:21 PM (#2684046) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Dorothy and Simon Haskins Hi We are at a total loss as we don't know how to get our money back. We paid for a full weekend and camping. We would appreciate any advice. Cheers Best wishes Dorothy and Simon |
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20 Jul 09 - 04:29 PM (#2684054) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Dorothy and Simon Haskins Hi did you have any luck getting your money back? Fedup! Dorothy ansd Simon |
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22 Jul 09 - 05:51 PM (#2685541) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,Just trying to help It is clear that Simon Boak is still involved, at least with the steam rallies which are as chaotically organised as ever. The following press story seems to suggest that the new company is paying off some creditors in part, but maybe not all creditors are involved in this arrangement? http://www.maltonmercury.co.uk/news/Collapse-ofevents-firm.5034298.jp Hope this helps. |
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10 Aug 09 - 05:17 AM (#2696802) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: Dennis the Elder Unwelcome news to those owed money. There has been aledgedly even more trouble concerning the organisers following severe problems at the showground on Sunday. I enclose a press release from "The Press" in York "Police called after Pickering Traction Engine Rally exhibitors block exits 8:37am Monday 10th August 2009 POLICE were called to a huge steam show in North Yorkshire after a sudden dispute led to angry exhibitors blocking the exits. A row over the arrangements for the Pickering Traction Engine Rally flared during the final stages of its four-day stay at the town's showground following what stallholders say was an unexpected and "fiery" afternoon meeting with organisers. It led to lorries, trucks and some of the vehicles on show at the event – which is believed to have attracted more than 50,000 visitors – being used to blockade the exits to the venue. Police were eventually able to clear the way after 5pm. The reasons for the protest are unclear, but the company behind the rally – Leeds-based Events & Exhibitions Ltd – was unavailable for comment yesterday, despite repeated attempts by The Press to contact them. One of the show's exhibitors, who did not want to be named, said: "We were all called into a meeting at about 3pm and were told there had been some problems – it was certainly fiery. "Everybody was furious afterwards and the next thing we knew people were loading up their vehicles and taking them round to block the entrances to the showground, saying they weren't leaving until they got answers on certain things. "Nobody who can tell us exactly what has been happening seems to have been around, but there has been a lot of anger." Both the new owners and the original owners were allegedly involved in the dispute. This "may" result in even less a chance of anyone receiving a refund from anyone. |
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10 Aug 09 - 08:01 AM (#2696865) Subject: RE: PickeringFolkFestival Are you owed money From: GUEST,John Robinson There is much claim and counter claim going on at the www.tractiontalkforum.com forum, including Simon Boak and another director of the company, Arthur Harris, having a public disagreement about their budgeting and financial responsibilities. I think you have to be registered to read the threads. |