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20 Oct 08 - 04:25 PM (#2471082) Subject: Who is Tempy? From: Richie Hi, I was wondering about the song "Mole in the Ground." Who is Tempy? Is Tempy a real girl's name? It's also Kippy, Tempie and other similar names. Is it a mondegreen? Is there any girl's name it could have been mistaken for? Just wondering. Richie |
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20 Oct 08 - 04:43 PM (#2471108) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Waddon Pete Interesting question. In the version I know the girl is called Campie! Best wishes, Peter |
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20 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM (#2471120) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Arkie All I know is that her hair style includes bangs. |
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20 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM (#2471124) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: peregrina I have wondered this too. Is Tempy ever attested elsewhere as a name? |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:11 PM (#2471141) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO The name I know in this song, Kempie (or Kempy), I believe I've read is a real Southern girl's name. Dave Oesterreich |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:15 PM (#2471145) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO I Googled Kempy or Kempie, and found the following at a site called Namelab: First name origin & meaning: Middle English: Champion First name variations: Kem, Kemper, Kemplen, Kempson, Kemp There were a number of other findings in the Google, but I didn't want to take the time to go through. But it is, evidently, a real name, as set out above. Dave Oesterreich |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:21 PM (#2471150) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: peregrina But is the middle English a man's name or a woman's? |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:29 PM (#2471154) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO Many's the "man's name" that's feminized by the addition of the diminutive "-ie" or "-y". And of course "-ette", "-etta", "-ina" and so on. As I say, there may well have been specific female applications that I didn't get to in the Google results. Dave Oesterreich |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:48 PM (#2471169) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: peregrina I may be wrong but I really don't think there's enough of a continuous history of attestations to have the female name Tempy/Kempy in the song descend from the ME Kemp-name forms; they do sound masculine, too. I don't doubt that either Kempy or Tempy could be a name, but I would like to know more. Usually words are corrupted in transmission into an easier or recognizable form (and there's no shortage of two syllable female names that end in -y). So it's intriguing to have what seems to be an obscure form here. |
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20 Oct 08 - 05:57 PM (#2471178) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: peregrina here intrigued but not convinced |
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20 Oct 08 - 06:15 PM (#2471198) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO And at zelo.com: Gender: Female Origin: English Meaning: Violent Storm Dave Oesterreich |
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20 Oct 08 - 06:32 PM (#2471211) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: skipy This is a cut & paste from Yahoo:- What do you think about this Girls name? My cousin just learned on Friday she is expecting another daughter. They did pretty well naming their oldest daughter - Elinor Rose (they call her "Nora Rose"). The name they have chosen for the new baby is Temperance Belle. They plan to call her "Tempy" - I could cry! I think it's awful. What is your opinion? Skipy |
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20 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM (#2471219) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Sandra in Sydney I once met a woman called Tempe - which is also the name of a suburb here in Sydney. The suburb was named after an early property, Tempe House, which was named after a legendary location in Greece. I can't find Tempe as a baby's name so don't know if it's from the same Ancient Greek source. sandra |
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20 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM (#2471220) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO I think it should be a criminal offense for a pregnant woman to name an upcoming baby! |
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20 Oct 08 - 07:00 PM (#2471229) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Richard Bridge I think it should be a crime to use teh word "upcoming" in that way! |
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20 Oct 08 - 07:03 PM (#2471232) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO Okay, a "downgoing baby", or maybe an "outcoming baby". Is that better? Dave Oesterreich |
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20 Oct 08 - 07:05 PM (#2471233) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Sandra in Sydney what about fathers - wasn't it Major Major Major's father who named him? And there was a recent news article about the father who named his child after 2 politicians. I also knew a teacher who had trouble finding a name for her child as she had taught so many kids. To stop frivolity or cruelty, maybe babies could be named by a committee of unrelated folks! sandra |
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20 Oct 08 - 09:21 PM (#2471347) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Richie I know Lunsford called her Tempy. Since he recorded the first version and it was learned in 1905 I assume it's not a mistake or mishearing. It's clearly a woman but not a common name or nickname anymore. Maybe that's the way he learned it. Richie |
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21 Oct 08 - 03:04 AM (#2471512) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: peregrina Lunsford trumps! So... are there any Appalachian records (census, genealogy, court etc) on line that would tell whether this was familiar well attested name or a mondegreen of some kind that Lunsford transmitted? |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:33 AM (#2471586) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Little Robyn Apparently Temperance was one of the virtue names adopted by the Puritans in the 17th century. There are a few of them here. Robyn |
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21 Oct 08 - 06:42 AM (#2471596) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: peregrina Very plausible--but was it current in Appalachia? |
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21 Oct 08 - 03:03 PM (#2472054) Subject: RE: Who is Tempy? From: Uncle_DaveO I'd have sworn that I had a Bascom Lunsford recording that called her "Kempie". If it was not he, I must have heard "Kempie" from someone else and sort of "heard it into" what Lunsford sang. I'm going to have to dig out that disk. Dave Oesterreich |