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22 Oct 08 - 09:40 PM (#2473326) Subject: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Bobert Yup, did ya'll hear??? Seems that al Qeada thinks that the best way to continue endless war is to have John McCaain elected??? What else can be said??? |
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22 Oct 08 - 09:43 PM (#2473329) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Charley Noble What is your source? I spoke to Osama Ben Laden only yesterday and he suggested nothing of the sort; we met while he was moose hunting in Maine. Charley Noble |
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22 Oct 08 - 09:45 PM (#2473331) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: GUEST,number 6 Whoa !!!! Now if that doesn't strike fear into the populace I don't know what will!! biLL |
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22 Oct 08 - 09:56 PM (#2473344) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Little Hawk Yeah, I saw this on the Yahoo News tonight too. Hilarious! I figured it would show up here as a thread quite soon. I wonder if Al Queda will get what they want (an unending bloodbath) and see John McCain in the White House? They must be searching hard in their minds for a way to make it happen... Funny how their agenda dovetails so well with that of the Republican Party, isn't it? |
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22 Oct 08 - 09:59 PM (#2473348) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Bobert Seems that the McCain people didn't wait to react and have taken a pro-active position that Al Qeada is using reverse psychology on US??? Me thinks there is no shortage on reverse intellegence going on in the McCain camp these days... B~ |
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22 Oct 08 - 10:10 PM (#2473357) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: jeffp It was in the Washington Post too. Yeah, Doug, the liberal press is at it again, reporting inconvenient facts. |
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22 Oct 08 - 10:28 PM (#2473366) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: DougR Well, one thing you have to admit, Al Queda recognizes a good man when they see one! I think they are racist though. DougR |
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22 Oct 08 - 10:32 PM (#2473370) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Rapparee They are endorsing McCain because he's secretly Muslim. He converted during the Cuban Missile Crisis but has kept it secret all these years. He's also secretly a member of the Democratic Party and the illegitimate son of Strom Thurmond, so don't tell anyone what you've read here. |
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22 Oct 08 - 10:42 PM (#2473376) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Bobert Ya know, Rap... I had heard somethin' about that but seein' as I didn't have a good source I been keepin' it under wraps... B~ |
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22 Oct 08 - 10:59 PM (#2473383) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Rapparee And (this will REALLY surprise you!), Barack Obama is actually John McCain's long-lost identical twin brother!! Their family name is actually Heliotrope. Remember, you heard it here first. |
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23 Oct 08 - 05:47 AM (#2473505) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: McGrath of Harlow It's been posted on the Mudcat already somewhere. And here is the Jerusalem Post version. It's easy to see why Al Qaeda might prefer McCain, and preferred Bush. The longer the USA can be engaged in fighting in Iraq the better from their point of view. There's no reason to think Al Qaeda is particularly concerned about the effect of that conflict on Iraqis, they are merely pawns in a longer and wider game, in which a key object is to paint the USA and its allies into a corner as enemies of Islam. It is easy to see why McCain, like Bush might be seen as a more reliable partner in achieving this gaol of continuing and extended conflict. However nothing can be taken as to face value. Obama's talk about Pakistan might also appeal to Al Qaeda strategists hoping for a wider war - and issuing a press release backing McCain might be seen as a way of discouraging people from voting Republican. |
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23 Oct 08 - 07:53 AM (#2473588) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Bobert Yeah, McG... Pictures of Obama just ain't gonna cut it on alQeads's recruiting posters like an old white balding guy... Heck, most of them potential recruits will theink the pictutre ain't of McCain but his "real" twin brother, Dick Cheney... B~ |
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23 Oct 08 - 08:01 AM (#2473594) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Ron Davies "They think that, to succeed in a war of attrition, they need a leader in Washington like McCain." That's the crux of it. And now let's hear some logical arguments from Doug, BB or other McCain supporters as to why this is not so. NB: Logic is not the same as smearing--though McCain supporters might not realize this. |
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23 Oct 08 - 08:03 AM (#2473596) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: freda underhill I posted it on the Will Obama Win thread. it's unnerving, considering, as the article pointed out, that Osama bin Laden issued a videotape just four days before the 2004 U.S. presidential election directly addressing the American people. Now John MCCain has been saying how he's the only one who can defend the US in an emergency, and saying there could be one very soon and the people need him .. blah. If there were to be a security incident before the election, it would be hard not to connect with the one that happened before the previous election. is there some tape or something that will emerge? freda |
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23 Oct 08 - 08:05 AM (#2473600) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Greg F. And now let's hear some logical arguments from Doug... Right. Don't hold your breath. |
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23 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM (#2473900) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: McGrath of Harlow Bin Laden's tape before 2004 was a denunciation of Bush - but it's plausibly suggested here, on the basis supposedly of CIA informants, that this would have been an attempt to help ensure a Bush victory, with Bush being seeing as the kind of opponent al Qaeda would prefer to be dealing with. On that basis for Al Qaeda to endorse McCain would on the face of it be a way of damaging his prospects. Except that, if that is what people assume to be the case, the effect of the endorsement would in fact be the reverse, a way of helping him, with Obama being seen as a more dangerous enemy... There's an infinite regression of bluffs and counter-bluffs and counter-counter-bluffs. Best not to take any notice at all of anything Al Qaeda says about these matters. |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:57 PM (#2474355) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Ron Davies Kevin-- "Except that, if that is...." That sounds too clever by half for the US electorate. Perhaps the British electorate is different. Look, it's just not good for your candidacy to be endorsed by al-Qaeda. End of story. Anything else is sophistry. And I'm sure you wouldn't want to be thought engaging in that. |
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24 Oct 08 - 07:51 AM (#2474682) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: freda underhill re the 2004 video - Ron Suskind noted that the CIA analysis of the video led them to the consensus view that the tape was designed strategically to help President Bush win reelection in 2004. Deputy CIA director John E. McLaughlin noted at one meeting, "Bin Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President." Suskind quoted Jami Miscik, CIA deputy associate director for intelligence, as saying "Certainly, he would want Bush to keep doing what he's doing for a few more years."[ (source: Robert Parry, CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04, Consortiumnews.com, July 4, 2006 ) The 2004 tape boosted the popularity of American President George W. Bush. President Bush opened up a six-point lead over his opponent Senator John Kerry in the first opinion poll to include sampling taken after the videotape was broadcast.[Source - Sherwell, Philip (2004-11-01). "Bush takes a six-point lead after new bin Laden tape". ] Internationally, the possibility that the video could have been faked was expressed. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:01 AM (#2474837) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Charley Noble "Al Qeada is using reverse psychology"? That's a possible motivation on the part of Al Qeada's leadership but any endorsement by them of a particular candidate runs a high risk of being taken at face value by the general electorate. "Reverse psychology" should mean an endorsement of Obama, if they really wish for McCain to be elected but then again... Charley Noble |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:15 AM (#2474858) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Donuel Al Qada should also endorse Mayor Bloomberg for suspending the term limits for the NYC mayor's office. Bloomberg, like Guilliani did, says he needs to stay on as mayor indefinetly due to the crisis. But Bloomberg actually did it. We need to send a list of endorsements to OBL who is obviously out of the loop of all the people Al Qada needs to endorse for the complete destruction of America. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:21 AM (#2474866) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Riginslinger They're just trying to draw suspicion away from Obama! |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:48 AM (#2474884) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: McGrath of Harlow It might be too clever for the US electorate, but the point would be, does Al Qaeda think the US electorate are that thick? They might of course, but who knows? They might actually think Americans are really on the ball. Depends how naive they are... Thinking that your opponent is a lot cleverer than they actually are can be a real problem at times. I was reading a piece in the paper where the writer was reminiscing about how he once once played a couple of chess games with a stranger. He beat him easily both times, and then found out that the man was a top-ranking chess champion, so he thougt perhaps he was siome kind of chess genius. But it turned out the champion had thought this bloke was a really good chess player, and that his mistakes were really clever ploys. By the next time they played the champion had found out the truth. He had no trouble wiping him out in a few moves. I gather there's a story now that the Iranians have said they think Obama would be their preferred president, Presumably this means they would actually prefer McCain. But on the other hand... Best to ignore all this. or you'd go crazy |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:30 PM (#2475502) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Ron Davies Kevin-- You're still making it needlessly complicated. Look, I live here. I can tell you the US reaction to al-Qaeda is blissfully simple: as I said, if your campaign is endorsed by al-Qaeda it is not a positive, to say the least. Americans don't think like a LeCarre novel. That's all there is to it. Perhaps you can tell us if Britons do. |
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25 Oct 08 - 02:16 PM (#2475963) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: McGrath of Harlow So Al Qaeda back McCain, and Iran backs Obama. On points I'd say, taking things at face value, that means Obama comes off better. After all the Iranians have never launched any attack on New York. No doubt the American Public may take things like this at face value. That doesn't mean that AlQaeda or the Iranians should be assumed to do the same. |
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25 Oct 08 - 05:04 PM (#2476036) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Sawzaw And the difference between Obama's and McCain's policy on UBL and Al Qaeda is _______________________________________ ? |
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25 Oct 08 - 05:55 PM (#2476060) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Little Hawk Ha! ;-) Look, Al Queda's got to say they favor someone, right? No matter what their motivation is for saying so, Obama supporters will interpret it to favor Obama and McCain supporters will interpret it to favor McCain...and then they'll both dream up whatever quasi-logical BS they can to support their desired interpretations. That's how the partisan mind works. Everything in the world becomes proof of what it wants to believe in the first place. |
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25 Oct 08 - 05:57 PM (#2476064) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: McGrath of Harlow As I said - "Best to ignore all this. Or you'd go crazy. " |
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26 Oct 08 - 12:37 AM (#2476250) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Amos "John McCain isn't boasting about a new endorsement, one of the very, very few he has received from overseas. It came a few days ago: "Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election," read a commentary on a password-protected Islamist Web site that is closely linked to Al Qaeda and often disseminates the group's propaganda. The endorsement left the McCain campaign sputtering, and noting helplessly that Hamas appears to prefer Barack Obama. Al Qaeda's apparent enthusiasm for Mr. McCain is manifestly not reciprocated. "The transcendent challenge of our time [is] the threat of radical Islamic terrorism," Senator McCain said in a major foreign policy speech this year, adding, "Any president who does not regard this threat as transcending all others does not deserve to sit in the White House." That's a widespread conservative belief. Mitt Romney compared the threat of militant Islam to that from Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Some conservative groups even marked "Islamofascism Awareness Week" earlier this month. Yet the endorsement of Mr. McCain by a Qaeda-affiliated Web site isn't a surprise to security specialists. Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism director, and Joseph Nye, the former chairman of the National Intelligence Council, have both suggested that Al Qaeda prefers Mr. McCain and might even try to use terror attacks in the coming days to tip the election to him. "From their perspective, a continuation of Bush policies is best for recruiting," said Professor Nye, adding that Mr. McCain is far more likely to continue those policies. An American president who keeps troops in Iraq indefinitely, fulminates about Islamic terrorism, inclines toward military solutions and antagonizes other nations is an excellent recruiting tool. In contrast, an African-American president with a Muslim grandfather and a penchant for building bridges rather than blowing them up would give Al Qaeda recruiters fits. During the cold war, the American ideological fear of communism led us to mistake every muddle-headed leftist for a Soviet pawn. Our myopia helped lead to catastrophe in Vietnam. In the same way today, an exaggerated fear of "Islamofascism" elides a complex reality and leads us to overreact and damage our own interests. Perhaps the best example is one of the least-known failures in Bush administration foreign policy: Somalia. Today, Somalia is the world's greatest humanitarian disaster, worse even than Darfur or Congo. The crisis has complex roots, and Somali warlords bear primary blame. But Bush administration paranoia about Islamic radicals contributed to the disaster. Somalia has been in chaos for many years, but in 2006 an umbrella movement called the Islamic Courts Union seemed close to uniting the country. The movement included both moderates and extremists, but it constituted the best hope for putting Somalia together again. Somalis were ecstatic at the prospect of having a functional government again. Bush administration officials, however, were aghast at the rise of an Islamist movement that they feared would be uncooperative in the war on terror. So they gave Ethiopia, a longtime rival in the region, the green light to invade, and Somalia's best hope for peace collapsed. "A movement that looked as if it might end this long national nightmare was derailed, in part because of American and Ethiopian actions," said Ken Menkhaus, a Somalia expert at Davidson College. As a result, Islamic militancy and anti-Americanism have surged, partly because Somalis blame Washington for the brutality of the Ethiopian occupiers. "There's a level of anti-Americanism in Somalia today like nothing I've seen over the last 20 years," Professor Menkhaus said. "Somalis are furious with us for backing the Ethiopian intervention and occupation, provoking this huge humanitarian crisis." Patrick Duplat, an expert on Somalia at Refugees International, the Washington-based advocacy group, says that during his last visit to Somalia, earlier this year, a local mosque was calling for jihad against America — something he had never heard when he lived peacefully in Somalia during the rise of the Islamic Courts Union. "The situation has dramatically taken a turn for the worse," he said. "The U.S. chose a very confrontational route early on. Who knows what would have happened if the U.S. had reached out to moderates? But that might have averted the disaster we're in today." The greatest catastrophe is the one endured by ordinary Somalis who now must watch their children starve. But America's own strategic interests have also been gravely damaged. The only winner has been Islamic militancy. That's probably the core reason why Al Qaeda militants prefer a McCain presidency: four more years of blindness to nuance in the Muslim world would be a tragedy for Americans and virtually everyone else, but a boon for radical groups trying to recruit suicide bombers. ... |
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26 Oct 08 - 12:08 PM (#2476515) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Ron Davies Yes, the US public will take the endorsement at face value. That is, the educated portion will ignore it--since they are smart enough to know it has no value. And the McCain supporters will ignore it since it does not support their candidate. You can bet that if it were the reverse--al-Qaeda had endorsed Obama--the McCain supporters would be spreading it far and wide--and citing it as the perfect reason to vote against Obama. But neither one really needs an outside commentator to suggest that it be ignored. |
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26 Oct 08 - 12:26 PM (#2476529) Subject: RE: BS: alQeada Endorses McCain... From: Little Hawk The US government is in the constant business of creating a foreign enemy. Anyone will do, really, but it must be someone who ties in with USA objectives. Right now those objectives are mainly tied to controlling sources of oil. Thus it is necessary to have an "Islamic" enemy, so the Islamic enemy has been deliberately inflated by all means possible into a giant gasbag of illusion, now being used to justify a worldwide war against...."terror"?????? This would be downright funny if it weren't so tragic. You cannot fight a war against terror, because wars themselves cause terror. Guess who has been most effectively terrorized in the current war? The civil population of Iraq, that's who. You don't know terror till you have undergone what Iraqis have undergone and continue to undergo. This is the BIG LIE in operation. The USA has been pretending to fight a war against terror, but they are themselves the number one practitioners of terror in the world. They have the weaponry to terrorize on a massive basis, and they use it. "Shock and Awe". Yes indeed, that says it all, doesn't it? You know what follows "shock and awe"? An unrelenting resolve on the part of the Iraqis to avenge the losses suffered to family, home, and homeland, that's what. The wars will not end till the American occupying forces go home, because they are the unlawful aggressors in this war. John McCain will never get that. Obama might get it, but he'll never dare to say it openly or admit to it. Dennis Kucinich says it openly, so guess why he was kept out of the later primary debates? |