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23 Oct 08 - 08:56 PM (#2474323) Subject: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Bobert Well, well, well... In spite of Sarah Palin using tax payers money to jet her family whereever they want to go now it seems that John McCain's campign is faulting Barak Obama for using his chartered jet, not paid for from tax payers money, to go see his sick grandmotrher... Of course, his family, a number of press people and a number of his staff will also be on board the 737, which for folks who don't fly much, ain't that big a friggin' plane, but... ...seems that we know have "737Gate" being floated to replace Joe the UnPlumberGate... What next from McCain??? GrannyGate??? Like at age 86 and in poor health I can just smell the wheels turning inside the cynical little McCain inner circle thinkin', "Hey, Obama is faking his garndmother's illness"... Ya' know, ya'll... I'm getting ratehr sick of being able to predict the next move from McCain... It is extremely fu*ked up... Seems that McCain knows that he ain't gonna win and now all he wants to do is light off as many stick bombs as he can in defeat... That, my friends, is unAmerican... (Huh, Bobz???) Yeah, All that McCain is doing now is trying to piss off as many people who will be on the losing side as he can so that rather than allow Obama to preside over "one American" McCain is doing his level best to be sure that Obama will have all this emotionalized headwind... Who is the the patriot here, John McCain and... ...who are the patriots here in Mudville??? B~ |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:01 PM (#2474328) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Rapparee I don't think so, Bobert. I think that such a ploy would rebound so badly that the Republicans couldn't win if they ran a Jesus/Mary ticket. |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:07 PM (#2474332) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Alice I saw that Republican campaign speaker trying that tactic - Obama should not be flying in such an expensive plane to Hawaii.... the news reporter burst out laughing and could not stop. Nice try, he said to the Repub mouthpiece. I think they dropped it, as it has not surfaced again in the rest of the day as far as I could see. |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:12 PM (#2474335) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Alice Bobert, I think you should change the thread title. The Repub did not say the grandmother was faking, he kept saying Obama should not be using an expensive plane to make the trip. It was part of the (petty to my mind) discussion of Sarah Palin's wardrobe. I say, give the woman a break! She recently had a baby. If the campaign wants to buy her some fashionable clothes, let them do it. It is a non-issue. |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:25 PM (#2474337) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Bobert Well, Alice... I'm juts leaving oput the middle man... Yeah, you defend Obama's non-tax-dollar expenditure for the plan and next thing ya' know it will be the grandmother faking... I mean, it's like chess and you have to look beyond the next move... McCain's folks have allready criticized Obama for using his own money to charter the pane because they say that in these times of oil shortage that he shouldn't do that.... So, seein' as there aren't too many days between now and the election, I figured that I'd just go the the "end user" in the debate: Obama's grandmother... And given the silly arguments on why folks should not vote for Obama, this was going to be their next stop... Hey, we are dealing with very desperate people here who will say or do anything to hang onto the White House... The last couple of weeks has shown just how desperate they are so I don't rule anything out on their parts... I mean, nothing... At this point they will say anything... B~ |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:37 PM (#2474345) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Rapparee The city announced about a year ago that Costco was going to open here. The land had been purchased. Then it was announced that the permits had been issued. Then bulldozers and stuff like that started moving dirt and rocks around. Know what? Some people said that the city was doing all that to make it look like Costco was coming. Costco was really going to build in Idaho Falls, 50 miles north of here. Then the building started to go up. Same rumor. Like the city could afford to build something of 94,000 sq. ft., ya know? Finally, a couple months ago the sign went up. Parking lots were paved. People were hired. Same rumor. Costco opened today. I guess when I was in there for the "open house" last night I wasn't in a real Costco store, at least not one in this town. It was all a fake, ya know? The point is, some people will say anything and sometimes they even believe it -- until reality hits them square in the nose. |
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23 Oct 08 - 09:54 PM (#2474353) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: GUEST,Barry, on his wife's computer at work well, I think Obama ought to swim to Hawaii, that'll sure make them all happy, Iron Man Obama! Shara can keep an eye on him all the way, after all it can't be that far of a swim if Palin can see the Big Island from her house. I's in the same time zone to, isn't it? So she won't be looking forward (as if she could) this time just ass backwards as usual. Barry |
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23 Oct 08 - 10:05 PM (#2474357) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: Ron Davies "some fashionable clothes....a non-issue". Actually it's probably not a non-issue. It's a real serious problem for somebody who's been pitched as jes' a li'l ol hockey mom. Whether you like it or not, image counts. Consider what happened with Edwards' $400 haircut. Re: topic: it's true that if they try to attack Obama on the basis of going to see his grandmother, they may as well concede the election now. The backlash tsunami would finish McCain long before Election Day. |
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23 Oct 08 - 10:05 PM (#2474359) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: CarolC Here's a new twist on the Rovian tactics of McCain supporters. A McCain campaign volunteer appears to have fabricated a story in which she was mugged, beaten up, and had the letter "B" (presumably, they say, for Barack) carved into her face by a Black man who wanted to teach her a lesson for supporting McCain. As soon as I saw/heard this "story" on an MSNBC video, I could feel my Susan Smith lie detection radar twitching and vibrating. I had a look around, and sure enough, police suspect her of concocting the whole story... http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/23/politically-motivated-mutilation-real-or-hoax/ These McCain people really are trying to start a race war. |
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23 Oct 08 - 10:33 PM (#2474374) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing??? From: WFDU - Ron Olesko "The Repub did not say the grandmother was faking, he kept saying Obama should not be using an expensive plane to make the trip." I'm an Obama supporter, but I agree - he should not be using the expensive plane. Obama should just walk on water to Hawaii, heal the poor woman, and then get back to spreading socialism by feeding the multitudes with a single loaf of bread. How desparate are these Republicants these days?????? |
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23 Oct 08 - 11:08 PM (#2474404) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof From: Amos These are the sadsack sorry shards of bitterness. Let us keep our eyes on the major turns ahead. A |
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23 Oct 08 - 11:46 PM (#2474425) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof From: Alice Hey, Ron, the walk on water thing made me smile. Thanks. |
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24 Oct 08 - 12:03 AM (#2474442) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Cluin This thing is getting mean. |
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24 Oct 08 - 01:20 AM (#2474488) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: DougR Alice: your comment about the reporter breaking out into laughter when some Republican representative criticized Obama's flying to Hawaii in an expensive airplane. And some folks STILL insist the mainstream press is not in Obama's pocket? What's the difference between reporters questioning Obama's choice of airplane from Sarah Palin's wearing clothes purchased by the GOP? I'll tell you. Obama is the messiah! It's a wonder he can't fly there without a airplane. DougR |
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24 Oct 08 - 09:43 AM (#2474817) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: WFDU - Ron Olesko "your comment about the reporter breaking out into laughter when some Republican representative criticized Obama's flying to Hawaii in an expensive airplane. What's the difference between reporters questioning Obama's choice of airplane from Sarah Palin's wearing clothes purchased by the GOP?" Doug, did you drink a second helping of the Kool-aid today? You gotta be kidding us. Do you really NOT see a difference between Obama paying to fly in an airplane and Palin being handed $150,000 in clothes? Are you serious???? This is the same thing in your mind? Doug, you have lost all crediblity on these threads if you do not see a difference between the two scenarios. Even the McCain campaign has backed away from criticizing this because they realize the absurdity in making such a comparision. These are pretty desperate times if people resort to tactics like this. |
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24 Oct 08 - 09:43 AM (#2474819) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof From: Alice Doug, I think the Secret Service are glad that the Obama campaign does not put him on a commercial plane like the Republican demanded. I'm sure they appreciate the security from the campaign investing in a private plane to move the candidate around. The McCain campaign has two planes to use, one owned by McCain's wife. Sorry, but demanding that Obama fly on a commercial flight to Hawaii like that guy did really was laughable, and there was nothing wrong with the reporter laughing at it. |
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24 Oct 08 - 09:48 AM (#2474827) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Ebbie The 737 is the biggest plane that Alaska Airlines uses in Juneau. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:04 AM (#2474839) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Donuel I think its precious that Sarah Palin was able to give her little daughter a Louis Vitton purse as a reward for her patience while mommy shopped for some new campaign duds. I think its despicable that BHO would fly to Hawaii and hide behind the skirt of a fake sick grandmother story. Campaign money is being used illegally for this first class boondoggle vacation. At least McCain suspended his campaign to go to Washington DC and fix the economy. Anybody who sees this different is probably in their right mind!!!!!!! And I couldn't agree with them more!!! |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:07 AM (#2474843) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Donuel Its about family values stupid. Hearing Republicans rail against family values is deserving of more than laughter. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM (#2474848) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Wesley S The AM radio yahoo that I was listening to last night said Obama's grandmothers health is fine. Obama is going to Hawaii to help with the coverup about his birth certificate. The one that "proves" he's not qualified to run for president. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM (#2474856) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: katlaughing I understand the sarcasm, but I sure don't like joking about this. Obama missed seeing his mom just before she died from cancer. He does not want to repeat that with "Toot," his grandma: "Without going through the details too much, she's gravely ill. We weren't sure and I'm still not sure whether she makes it to Election Day," Obama told ABC's "Good Morning America" in an interview broadcast Friday. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM (#2474857) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof From: Alice sheesh News was that she broke her hip and is back home from being hospitalized. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:18 AM (#2474865) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Donuel "Nancy Reagan broke her hip and you don't see her crying about it." Doug Rrrrrrr {Doug Rrrrrrr is a ficticious character and has no resemblence to anyone living or dead.} |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:40 AM (#2474877) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: PoppaGator Actually, for folks above a certain age ~ especially women, although maybe the fact that women live so much longer skews the statistics ~ a broken hip is very serious, and while it may not be cited as the "cause" of death, it is often followed by death not long afterwards. My great-grandmother lived into her early nineties and was quite healthy and independent until she broke her hip (walking down the icy front steps in winter, setting out on her daily one-block walk to 6am Mass). She passed away within less than a month. |
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24 Oct 08 - 10:52 AM (#2474887) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: McGrath of Harlow What's the difference between reporters questioning Obama's choice of airplane from Sarah Palin's wearing clothes purchased by the GOP? His granny is apparently dying, that is the difference. A trip like that isn't a luxury. |
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24 Oct 08 - 12:24 PM (#2474970) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Ebbie It occurs to me that my remark may be misunderstood. When I said that the biggest plane that Alaska Air flies to Juneau is a 737 I menat to imply that said plane is on the smallish side. Juneau is tightly ringed by mountains and its air strips are not regulation length so... |
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24 Oct 08 - 12:27 PM (#2474973) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof From: Alice My neighbor fell on ice and broke her hip. It led to her death. Yes, it can be very, very serious. |
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24 Oct 08 - 12:29 PM (#2474976) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Bill D If it were McCains mother..(who is in her 90s).. who was sick, I can imagine the outcry if anyone made remarks about McCain going to be with her. (Fortunately, she seems to be in quite good health) |
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24 Oct 08 - 12:36 PM (#2474983) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof From: Alice My "sheesh" comment was in reference to the cover up of birth certificate urban legend. |
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24 Oct 08 - 01:29 PM (#2475029) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: McGrath of Harlow I can imagine the outcry if anyone made remarks about McCain going to be with her. I would rather assume the same will apply if McCain's people are perceived as doing that. It's the kind of thing that would be likely to settle it for a lot of people who had been wavering about whom to vote for. Or even change the minds of some people who had been thinking of voting for McCain. |
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24 Oct 08 - 06:10 PM (#2475295) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: CarolC Score another one for my Susan Smith lie detection radar... http://kdka.com/local/attack.McCain.Bloomfield.2.847628.html |
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24 Oct 08 - 06:25 PM (#2475312) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: DougR Alice: I could care less how Obama flies to Hawaii. It's his campaign money and he can spend it as he chooses. It's obvious, I think, that he shouldn't fly commercial for security reasons if nothing else (and NO I am not hinting at assassination). I hadn't even heard that any Republican spokesman complained about the plane. As to the clothes purchased by the GOP, it has been announced that after the campaign the clothes will be donated to charity. She is only borrowing them. This is one time I agree with Alice. It's a non-issue. Had Obama not flown to the bedside of his ailing grandmother he would have been piled on for not "caring" about his dear old grandma. Bobert: Actually, I think this is a pretty sick title for a thread. DougR |
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24 Oct 08 - 06:37 PM (#2475325) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dieing???(Spoof) From: Bobert Okay, Fougie, you are right... It is a sick title but... ...these is some purdy sick times for the Repubs and they have shown that there is nothin' they won't say to get a dew votes... Yeah, I know I shouldn't have allowed myself to go so low and I am sorry that I did it... The Devil made me do it... BTW, he's a McCain supporter, ya' know... lol... B;~) |
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24 Oct 08 - 06:39 PM (#2475328) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Bobert Sorry about the "Fougie", too, Dougie!!! (Just a typo... The Devil had no part in it) |
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24 Oct 08 - 09:15 PM (#2475464) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Genie Sarah Palin's expensive wardrobe and makeup artist are about as important campaign issues as John Edwards's $400 haircut (with an LA stylist making a 'house call' to do it) or Cindy McCain's wearing $280,000 earrings and a $20,000 suit at the RNC. That is to say, NOT important. (So why did the press and the Republicans basically bury John Edwards, long before the Rielle Hunter scandal, because of that haircut?) As for the suggestion that Barack should have flown commercial, who does that Republican guy think he's kidding? (I'm sure we ordinary commercial passengers are oh, so eager to have our flights delayed and disrupted by Presidential candidates and the secret service being on board with us and all the extra in-terminal security precautions. Yep.) I think the plane was a 767, but why the heck not? (How many vacations did Dubya take, using Air Force One to fly between DC and Crawford?) Anyway, Barack did do some campaigning while in Hawaii, in addition to visiting the woman who was like a second mother to him. Seems like some people are grasping at straws. Genie |
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24 Oct 08 - 09:27 PM (#2475474) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Genie Doug R, The only thing I find wrong - or at least ironic - about Sarah Palin having such an expensive designer wardrobe (no matter who pays for it) is that she and the Republicans have been trying so hard to paint themselves as "plain folks" and marginalize Obama as "elitist" and some sort of "Hollywood celebrity." Wearing clothes from Nieman Marcus and designer labels doesn't really jibe with the down-home, working-class, ordinary non-elitist, non-celebrity image that Palin has tried so hard to milk. I'd say spending over $300,000 for her convention outfit kind of makes Cindy McCain seem a bit "elitist" too, even if she did buy it with her inherited money. The Obamas are much more "plain middle-class" folks than the McCains ever were, at least where privilege is concerned (if not intellect and education). |
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25 Oct 08 - 12:11 AM (#2475560) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: katlaughing Plain folks don't pay their hairdresser $10,000 for two weeks of work, nor their makeup artist over $20,000 for two weeks. The highest paid people on McCain's campaign staff...all for Gov. Palin. There is a sensitive article in the NYTs about Senator Obama's visit to his grandma. Here's a snippet: Published: October 24, 2008 HONOLULU — For the last 21 months, she has followed the odyssey of his presidential campaign like a spectator on a faraway balcony. She underwent a corneal transplant to see him on television. She reluctantly agreed to film a political advertisement when he urgently needed to reassure voters about his distinctive American roots. She told him during one of their frequent telephone conversations that it might not hurt if he smiled a bit more. And on Friday, Senator Barack Obama spent the day here saying goodbye. |
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25 Oct 08 - 11:12 AM (#2475843) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Republicants have short term (and long term) memory problems. They forget that they attack other candidates for the same issues that they are guilty of - and in this case far worse than a $400 haircut, and Edwards certainly was not excused for getting such an expensive do. ALL politicians who flaunt their wealth in this fashion get rightfully skewered, and the Doug R's of the world are simply ignoring facts and following their party line if they deny that. We will be the first to throw Obama under the bus if he pulled that crap. Unfortunately, the conservative hate-mongers have blinders on. For the image that they are trying to portray with this "hockey mom", a wardrobe of this type is inappropriate to say the least. The spin doctors LATER announced that this was for charity, but if they were genuine it would not have been an after thought. There is technical term that is used in political circles for this type of action - it is called "saving your ass". America is finally waking up from their Republicant stupor. The conservatives are being exposed for the liars and cheats that they are. No amount of spin doctoring is going to fix this unless fundemental changes are made. Of course, they can always steal another election - which seems to be their only hope this time around. |
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25 Oct 08 - 11:32 AM (#2475854) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: dick greenhaus Actually, the clothing bill shows some unexpected talent on Palin's part. It's not easy to spend that much money in such a short time. |
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25 Oct 08 - 11:51 AM (#2475868) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Jon Stewart made a great comment - he questioned how the bill could be that high and wondered if she bought Michael Jackson's original thriller jacket - and then they showed her wearing a red leather jacket that looked very close to the one worn by the one gloved wonder. |
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25 Oct 08 - 01:06 PM (#2475927) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: katlaughing Palin said the clothes bought for the Republican National Convention were not worth $150,000 and said most have not left her campaign plane. She also said the family shops frugally. *Note she said for the "RNC" which doesn't address all of the clothes she and her family have worn after. Poor old McCain, now his brother has dropped out of the campaign after calling 911 to bitch about a traffic jam, then getting mad and telling the 911 operator "Fuck you." Then, after the 911 admin called him back to let him know that was illegal, he told them off, too AND gave himself away! |
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25 Oct 08 - 01:18 PM (#2475936) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Alice Doug, it was Brad Blakeman, a GOP strategist, who said Obama should not have taken a private plane to Hawaii to see his grandmother. I saw it live when he did it. You can see and hear him yourself. Here is the VIDEO of Blakeman making the statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aytKzZfHKmQ |
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25 Oct 08 - 03:42 PM (#2476002) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: McGrath of Harlow What a remarkably stupid man that Brad Blakeman must be. |
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25 Oct 08 - 07:59 PM (#2476142) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Bee-dubya-ell Obama should just walk on water to Hawaii, heal the poor woman, and then get back to spreading socialism by feeding the multitudes with a single loaf of bread. What an absurd notion! Do you realize how far it is to Hawaii? It would take weeks to get there by walking on water. He'd have to run. |
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25 Oct 08 - 08:08 PM (#2476146) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Have you seen his stride? If he has a good wind behind him he could be there in minutes, with his great ox Babe by his side. |
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25 Oct 08 - 08:09 PM (#2476148) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Bobert Good point, Beezer... Word on the street is that Barak considered walkin' but figured that it would take so long that he might not get to his granny in time... Maybe after he gets elected he'll walk on the water at the Relecting Pool now and then just to entertain the righties here in Mudburg??? But then again, maybe Barak doesn't feel as if it's his job to entertain a bunch of knotheads, I don't know... B~ |
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25 Oct 08 - 09:16 PM (#2476175) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Alice Well, considering he was born on planet Krypton, he could have flown without the plane. |
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25 Oct 08 - 11:24 PM (#2476227) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: katlaughing Reminds me of the old joke: Once upon a time, there was a man named Bob. Bob was a very righteous human being, always practising good deeds, trying his best to be a very Godly man. God noticed these constant good deeds one day and came down to Bob while he was alone in the shower. God: "Bob, you've led a very good life. Too many of my children practice evil, and you are the only person who only practices good. For this I would like to give you one thing, anything that you want. Just name it." Bob: "Well, God, I appreciate that very much. All of my life, I have wanted to go to Hawaii. But I get seasick so I can't take a boat there, and airsick so I can't fly there either. I would like a bridge to Hawaii so I might drive there." God: "That's kind of a tall order, Bob. A lot of people would notice a bridge suddenly appearing from here to Hawaii and would ask questions. Is there something else I can do for you instead?" Bob: "Well, there's one other thing. My wife and I have always had a good relationship, but I think it could be better if I could just understand the way women think. Could you help me to understand women better so my relationship would be perfect?" God: "How many lanes would you like on that bridge?" |
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26 Oct 08 - 12:50 AM (#2476253) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: Genie McGrath of Harlow: "What a remarkably stupid man that Brad Blakeman must be." Actually, I'd say it's just the act of a desperate man speaking for a campaign so desperate that they'll throw any sort of mud or silly putty in the hope that something will stick. Attacks as far-fetched and bizarre as suggesting that a man constantly accompanied by Secret Service agents for his protection should forgo visiting the dying woman who raised him, so he can continue speaking at a couple more campaign rallies, or inconvenience hundreds of other air passengers by trying to take a commercial flight to Hawaii. We have come to the point in this election year where absolutely anything and everything Barack Obama does -- or does not do -- is being spun as yet another reason not to trust him and not to vote for him. I honestly can't recall when I've ever seen such ubiquitous, inconsistent, and often ridiculous attacks on a Presidential candidate. |
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26 Oct 08 - 06:28 AM (#2476315) Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Grandmother Faking Dying???(Spoof) From: McGrath of Harlow Desperate, obviously. But also in this instance quite remarkably stupid. There are a lot of grannies and grandchildren out there who won't like this one little bit. |