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Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old

31 Oct 08 - 06:30 PM (#2481206)
Subject: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: katlaughing

Sorry to say I just read this. I am especially thinking of you, Art, and how much he meant to you. My condolences to all.

CHICAGO (AP) — Pulitzer Prize-winning author and activist Studs Terkel has died at age 96.

Colleague and close friend Thom Clark said Terkel's son, Dan Terkell, confirmed his death today. He died at home at 2:40 p.m., Clark said.

Studs Terkel is best known for his street-wise portrayals of the working class. He contrasted rich and poor along the same Chicago street in the 1966 novel "Division Street: America," explored the Depression in 1970's "Hard Times" and chronicled how people felt about their jobs in 1974's "Working."

He won a Pulitzer in 1985 for his remembrances of World War II in his novel "The Good War."

Dan Terkell issued a statement through Clark.

"My dad led a long full eventful, sometimes tempestuous, but very satisfying life," Terkell said, describing his father's death as "peaceful, no agony. This is what he wanted."


31 Oct 08 - 06:49 PM (#2481219)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Stilly River Sage

Awww. He was such an interesting guy, and he kept going and going and going.

SRS


31 Oct 08 - 07:03 PM (#2481224)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Dave Swan

Awww, damn. Another one of that generation (and one who told its stories) gone over the hill.

D


31 Oct 08 - 07:06 PM (#2481227)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: bobad

Loved the guy, salt of the earth.


31 Oct 08 - 07:10 PM (#2481230)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: catspaw49

Well hell......We all knew it was coming but he'd been such a fixture in the world I grew up in for so long...........damn.......It still sucks, ya' know? In this world, somebody had to be Studs Terkel and we're lucky it was him.

Horizon dropped and world tilted, never to be the same..................Goodbye Studs, and thanks.......for it all.

Spaw


31 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM (#2481256)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Alice

I met Studs Terkel in the summer of 1971.

I was one of the first females to work at the local FM university radio station. I engineered the recording of an interview he did there while on a lecture tour. He made a point of talking about equality for women as he looked through the studio glass to where I was doing the recording... and he smiled. It was rare at that time to hear a "girl" announcing on the radio or see a woman doing anything in the studio other than clerical work.

He was an amazing man. I will never forget meeting him. Rest in Peace.

Alice


31 Oct 08 - 08:40 PM (#2481283)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: RTim

As an Englishman who remembers hearing Studs on the BBC many years ago in my youth - he is someone who I always found interesting and worthwhile - sad to see him finally go to the great sound booth in the sky.. Tim Radford


31 Oct 08 - 09:30 PM (#2481318)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

He did have an amazing long sojourn! It was a treat to know him.

Studs had been in hospice care for a while in Chicago, so we knew this was imminent. But it's always a shock when we first lose the light from such an incandescent flame of life. I will miss him lurking about the Chicago folk scene that was.

Art
(several shots of Studs are at my folkie photos site.--One of them has his wife, Ida, in it too.)


31 Oct 08 - 10:05 PM (#2481364)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Ross Campbell

I first came across Studs Terkel in a documentary by his friend, fellow journalist and broadcaster James Cameron, when they shared memories of the Democratic Convention in Chicago. I later found his books, read the first one because I remembered his lively and perceptive remarks about those times, and read more because of the way he brought out memories and feelings from people of all walks of life and all points of view, allowing their words to speak for themselves. I was thrilled to be able hear the man himself when he was a guest at Schwarz's bookshop in Milwaukee. The archive of his interviews will continue to be a treasure. A lovely man and a great human being.

Ross


31 Oct 08 - 11:03 PM (#2481382)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Uncle_DaveO

NPR on Friday evening told a fascinating and amusing thing about him.

His nickname, Studs, was because he was a great fan of a novel from a novel in the 30s, "Studs Lonnergan".   He said something like, "There was one time that nickname sort of got me in trouble." This was after Terkel's great book, Working, came out.

He said, "A librarian I knew told me that some bluenose superior who was always on her case came to her with a request she'd made to acquire Working for the library. 'I won't allow you to get this book! We don't stock pornography!' he said.

"'What book is that?' she asked him.   'Working Studs', by Terkel!'"

Priceless!

Dave Oesterreich


31 Oct 08 - 11:04 PM (#2481383)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: katlaughing

The Chicago Tribune has done a long bio/obit on him with links to several photos of him and articles by him. Just click here.


31 Oct 08 - 11:08 PM (#2481385)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Mark Ross

I got to meet Studs 20 years ago when I was touring with Utah Phillips. We were in Chicago for the Haymarket Centennial and we stopped by to tape a show with the Stud Turtle. We had to wait until he came back from lunch at the Billy Goat Tavern. Quite a guy and a great interviewer.


Mark Ross


31 Oct 08 - 11:36 PM (#2481397)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: mrdux

right at the moment (starting at 10 pm, CDT), WFMT, Studs' home radio station, is doing a wonderful tribute. i grew up listening to him. . . hearing his voice (as i'm writing this) evokes such great memories.


01 Nov 08 - 10:31 AM (#2481604)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: RoyH (Burl)

Even though this was not unexpected I was still greatly saddened to hear the news. I count Studs Terkel as one of my heroes, having admired his work since first learning of him many years ago. It's my regret that the one time I visited WFMT in Chicago he wasn't present. Rest in Peace Studs, and Thank You. Burl.


01 Nov 08 - 03:17 PM (#2481795)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: open mike

Born Louis Terkel--more info in these 2 links:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-studs-terkel-dead,0,2321576.story
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/studs.terkel.dies.2.853698.html


01 Nov 08 - 04:02 PM (#2481819)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: GUEST,Arkie

He was a man with amazing talent and a willingness and determination to use his abilities to make the world a better place. What a legacy he leaves. One of the best concerts I have ever had the pleasure of attending was the Tribute to Woody Guthrie at the Folk Alliance meeting in Nashville several years ago and Studs Terkel's part in that concert was a profound addition.


01 Nov 08 - 05:19 PM (#2481880)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Charley Noble

He made great good use of his life!

Charley Noble


01 Nov 08 - 05:48 PM (#2481903)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: fat B****rd

I'm sad to hear this. Someone loaned me his autobography recently, now I'm off to read it. RIP Studs.


01 Nov 08 - 08:23 PM (#2482026)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

Here is a personal memory of Studs Terkel that I will always treasure:

Back in 1990 or maybe '91, we were planning to have a two-day weekend musical celebration to recognize my thirtieth year playing at the coffeehouse and gallery called THE NO EXIT. It was thought that my appearing on Studs' radio show would be the perfect way to let those interested know about the planned party.

We ran it past Studs' people at the station, and as it turned out, he was all for doing it---so it was set up. The show was to be recorded at WFMT-FM a few days before it would be aired.

SOMETHING YOU MUST KNOW:
These were times of change at WFMT. New blood was coming in---and that meant some of the old hands and old ways of doing things were leaving. Studs was rather upset. No, it was worse. Studs was exceptionally pissed off! And he let anyone within earshot of him know his feelings.

Onward!----- We were set to record the show in the early afternoon. I got there about noon. At 1:30 Studs hadn't returned from lunch. At 2:00 he was still not there. About 2:30 the man blustered in and breezed past us like a small tornado with red socks on. Twenty minutes later, though, we were set up---and ready to begin.

Folks, knowing Studs, I was ready for anything. This man was a hero of mine. Studs introduced me and told some of my background, and I started with a song or two. Then he began to talk about the anniversary thing we had planned. --- Slowly, I saw that Studs didn't really know why I was there at all. He said it was to be a celebration of the club's 30th year in existence. I, gently, corrected him, and went on to talk about his old friend, Win Stracke---also a mentor of mine. One thing led to another, and it also became pretty obvious that Studs had imbibed his lunch from a shot glass. At one point I sang a song I had learned from Win Stracke called "STATE OF ILLINOIS." The song came to a big (for me, anyhow) end---and there was total silence. I was amazed. Studs had fallen asleep!! ---- What to do?!

Well, I chose to hit a rather loud chord on my banjo. Studs awoke talking about how that song had just taken him away to rural Illinois pastures. It was a wonderful recovery!! -- The man surely was a pro.

The rest of the hour long show, I thought, went pretty well. As I was putting on my coat, the sound engineer handed me a cassette tape of the show---and he actually winked as I walked out the door.

"Conveniently," the official tape of that program was either lost or erased or whatever. It never did go on the air! --- But we sold out all four shows at the No Exit that weekend. -- I think I'm gonna dig it out and listen to it right now...

Art Thieme


02 Nov 08 - 02:15 AM (#2482218)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Cluin

And you've gotta take your hat off to a guy who took on Big Brother in the courts in his mid-nineties.

RIP Mr. Terkel


02 Nov 08 - 02:18 AM (#2482219)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Cluin

What I'm on about.


02 Nov 08 - 03:53 AM (#2482247)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Charlie Baum

The Chicago Tribune wrote an editorial memory of Studs which included the following lines about Stud's connection with folk music:

"He was the kind of man who would hum Pete Seeger folk songs long after the other Pete Seeger hummers moved to the suburbs, reproduced, went pop and happily joined the middle class. He may well have been second only to Alan Lomax, the great collector of all American musical tradition, in his appreciation of folk songs, which he would turn to time and again for his radio shows, even for his book titles."


02 Nov 08 - 04:26 AM (#2482261)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: mark gregory

Studs Turkel was a pioneer in oral history ... always trying to get the thoughts of people rather than rulers.

I have a great collection of his interviews with musicians 'And They All Sang' and among the folkies interviewed are Pete Seeger, Big Bill Broonzy, Woody Guthrie, Jean Richie, Alan Lomax and Bob Dylan

I know it was Studs Turkel who greatly influenced one of Australia's pioneer Oral Historians Wendy Lowenstein with her 1968 classic about the last depression 'Weevils in the Flour'

What a life!


02 Nov 08 - 06:52 AM (#2482322)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: GUEST,Omar Rashid

I watched some of his interviews. A great journalist with unlimited courage to say what he wanted to.


02 Nov 08 - 10:25 AM (#2482441)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: EBarnacle

I have enjoyed his work ever since I read Working in '74. I had hoped that he would make it to 100. His appearances on Prairie Home Companion were treasures, even toward the end.


02 Nov 08 - 07:58 PM (#2482848)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: GUEST,pattyClink

My sister got to take a class from him and so I was privileged to at least know about him and read his stuff and hear some interviews, but I had no idea he was a big folk music person.   

Some good remembrances of him are on Michael Moore's and Roger Ebert's sites.


02 Nov 08 - 08:23 PM (#2482869)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

Folks, In my post above, I didn't intend to say that Studs was drinking a lot.   (I just got an e-mail from someone who got the wrong idea from that post.) What I meant was that he was angry with what he saw going on at WFMT at that moment, so he had a few too many at lunch that day. It was very "Chicago" -- pretty much like his friends Alderman Paddy Bauler and Mike Royko, Win Stracke and Nelson Algren might've done. I loved Studs for all he stood for---for highlighting the sincere opinions of real people in his books -- for always standing for what he felt was right even through Bush and Reagan and Joe McCarthy and the diminishing of labor in the USA. --- So, I'm sorry if some took what I said wrong. I loved the guy--

Art


02 Nov 08 - 08:30 PM (#2482872)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

When I drove a cab in Chicago for a year about 1970, Studs' son, Paul, not Dan, also drove out of that same Checker taxi barn in Old Town.
I'm wondering why Paul wasn't mentioned in the obits!?

Art


02 Nov 08 - 08:36 PM (#2482884)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: katlaughing

PHC did a great rendition of Woody's "So Long.." personalised for Terkel.


03 Nov 08 - 01:33 AM (#2482996)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: mark gregory

Some Studs Terkel obits from UK

The Independent

Daily Telegraph

Guardian


03 Nov 08 - 11:31 AM (#2483356)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Chris in Portland

Growing up in Chicago in the '50's, we got to watch Mahalia's show on TV on Sunday mornings and Studs' show during the week. Before Studs' show, I knew Win Stracke from the commercials he did, but he was a regular on Studs' show, and, of course, Win went on to help found the Old Town School in Oak Park at Dawn Greening's home.
I have tremendous admiration for Studs and all the others, like Art, the Fox Valley and OTSFM folks, and Rich Warren, that have kept carrying on the work for folk music in Chicago. We are starting to create traditions like these now in Portland, OR, at Artichoke Community Music.
We'll miss you Studs, Chris


03 Nov 08 - 01:48 PM (#2483482)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

Woody, Cisco and Pete and folks would stay with Studs Terkel in Chicago. (Read Ed Cray's fine biography of Woody for details.) Those were the old days of the Almanac Singers.

Chris,
Thats grand stuff you are doing. Same with Francy in Toledo, Oregon. In 1967 Carol and I were "on the road" and we eventually settled in Depoe Bay, Ore. because we loved the coast in Lincoln County. THERE we opened our Folk Art Shop---but we were years too soon. No folk scene had evolved there yet. We headed back to Chicago a few years later. It's grand to know you are doing good things where we once trod.

Art


03 Nov 08 - 02:54 PM (#2483568)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: masha

Another former Chicagoan, Andy Fahrenwald, and I were reminiscing yesterday. Andy was lucky enough to know Studs personally. We were remembering the old TV show "Studs' Place". Does anyone know if any tapes of this still exist somewhere?


04 Nov 08 - 12:24 AM (#2484070)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Some time ago Art gave me a copy of that 1990 interview with Studs and with his permission I've put it up on my webspace in mp3 format. You can find it from the Art's Place page, or you can just follow the links below. (You'll need to enter the word mudcat for both user name and password.)You'll note that it was "Gettin' in the Cows that sent Studs into a reverie -- can't hardly blame him, Art had such a bucolic way with that song.
—BK


04 Nov 08 - 12:37 AM (#2484076)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Aw rats, I typed that link wrong: should be Art's Place


04 Nov 08 - 12:46 AM (#2484080)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Mark Ross

The link doesn't seem to work at all.


Mark Ross


04 Nov 08 - 04:10 PM (#2484851)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

Masha,
I don't know if any of those shows are still around. You might check with Rich Warren at WFMT----or The Museum Of Broadcast Communication in Chicago.

Also, Masha, does your last name start with the letter G?

Art


04 Nov 08 - 04:21 PM (#2484857)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Has anyone else had a problem listening to these mp3s?
I wonder what exactly Mark meant by "doesn't work at all."
I see in my server log that there were failures for some of you caused by
not entering the word mudcat for both the user name and the password.
If it's not working for you, please let me know by PM or email.
—BK


04 Nov 08 - 04:23 PM (#2484859)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Mark Ross

When I click on the link, a page comes up that says "PAGE CANNOT BE FOUND".


Mark Ross


04 Nov 08 - 05:01 PM (#2484891)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Perhaps you're clicking on the original link which was broken rather than the corrected link given in the next post?


05 Nov 08 - 12:45 AM (#2485238)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: masha

Art -
My last name used to start with G!
Masha Goodman Crawford now.
Yeah, I used to hang out with the BarnDance/HogEye/Holstein's crowd. I was out of the country for some 15 years or so, but now settled in Northern Cal. Watching Chicago on the telly tonight, and VERY proud to be a Chicagoan! And an American. not to mention a democrat. Woo Hoo! (uh, sorry for the thread-hijack, but how could I resist?!)


05 Nov 08 - 06:21 PM (#2486060)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

Yes, Masha, I remember you! (Nothing wrong with my long term memory. But don't ask me about this morning.)

Go to: http://rudegnu.com/art_thieme.html and you will find a TON of photos of your friends from back then----including a bunch of Studs.

There, now we're on topic again!!

Art ;-)


05 Nov 08 - 09:31 PM (#2486169)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Masha writes:
We were remembering the old TV show "Studs' Place". Does anyone know if any tapes of this still exist somewhere?
Check this out. And Look here too.


05 Nov 08 - 09:44 PM (#2486180)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Art Thieme

Bruce,
Thanks again.
Art


05 Nov 08 - 10:16 PM (#2486196)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: masha

Art -
Thanks! The photos are great. I'm totally flattered that you would remember me. And yes, there are some great ones of Studs.

Boy, I wish I had more photos of those days...


05 Nov 08 - 10:52 PM (#2486222)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

There's another episode of "Studs' Place" here. Scroll about halfway down the page.


17 Nov 08 - 06:45 PM (#2496221)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Live Broadcast of Will the Circle Be Unbroken? Tonight
STEPPENWOLF HONORS THE LIFE OF STUDS TERKEL
Interest in tonight's performance of Will the Circle Be Unbroken?, a celebration of one of Chicago's greatest storyteller, Studs Terkel, has been extraordinary - the supply of tickets was exhausted within the first ten minutes of availability. Knowing that everyone cannot be with us for this event, we have worked to arrange a live broadcast of this special production at 7:30 pm tonight on WFMT (98.7 FM). Please tune in and celebrate the remarkable life of one of Chicago's much loved citizens.

Will the Circle Be Unbroken?
By Studs Terkel
Adapted by Derek Goldman
Directed by associate artist Jessica Thebus
Featuring ensemble members Robert Breuler, K. Todd Freeman, Tom Irwin, Martha Lavey and Alan Wilder with Cheryl Lynn Bruce, Anthony Fleming III, Rick Kogan, Keith Kupferer, Ernest Perry Jr., Joyce Piven, David Schwimmer, Michael Smith and Dennis Zacek

Steppenwolf Theatre honors the life of Pulitzer Prize-winning author, broadcaster and activist Studs Terkel, who died on October 31, 2008 at age 96. Will the Circle Be Unbroken? is an unforgettable evening of song, story and celebration. With a cast that includes both Steppenwolf ensemble members and renowned personalities and performers, the concert-style reading will incorporate music to illuminate Studs' poignant book of interviews on death and dying. Recognizable interviewees portrayed on stage include author Kurt Vonnegut, actress Uta Hagen and Chicago Reader theater critic and AIDS activist Justin Hayford. There are also everyday Chicagoans - parents, medics and teachers - who share wise words and meaningful memories. The result is a vibrant tapestry of life's full process, sure to stir compassion and inspiration.


17 Nov 08 - 07:00 PM (#2496232)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Alice

By the way, it was James T. Farrell's trilogy, "Young Lonigan", "The Young Manhood of Studs Lonigan" and "Judgment Day", classics that were passed along to read in my family, reflecting the Irish Catholic Chicago South Side, about the life of Studs Lonigan. A depressing story, but truly an American classic that I recommend. You can get it in one volume called Studs Lonigan.

Alice


18 Nov 08 - 10:24 AM (#2496715)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: GUEST,Felipa

I wonder has that live broadcast last night been recorded? It sounds worth listening to.


19 Nov 08 - 02:43 AM (#2497404)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

I recorded the broadcast and will gladly share it with anyone who requests it.
If interested, PM me and I'll tell you how to download/stream the 63MB mp3.
—BK


19 Nov 08 - 11:47 AM (#2497675)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego

Apart from all the personal recollections above, Studs Terkel stood out as a last bastion of integrity in a journalism profession so tainted by money and politics that it has lost most of its credibility with me and with many others. His book, "The Good War," was a great example of his willingness to view and review history warts and all, rather than idealize it or compromise the truth. I doubt we'll see his like again, unless there is a sea change in the direction of the media.


19 Nov 08 - 10:06 PM (#2498153)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: Ron Davies

"Curiosity Didn't Kill This Cat"--what a great motto-- for all of us.


20 Nov 08 - 12:49 PM (#2498571)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: GUEST,pattyClink

Both links to Art's place; the original and the corrected one, give me a message 'server not found'. It isn't a password issue because I don't get to that point.


19 Jul 10 - 07:36 PM (#2947946)
Subject: RE: Obit: Studs Terkel - 31 Oct 2008 96 yrs old
From: BK Lick

Hmm... looks like I never did correct that bad link.
It should be Art's Place