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14 Nov 08 - 03:44 PM (#2494083) Subject: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie There's been quite an extensive discussion on the "Folk Club Manners" thread, about what constitutes either a worthwhile decent performance, or indeed an inexcusable and dreadful performance. But without given examples, such a discussion can appear confusing, especially to an outsider or the uninitiated. Some posters have begun to helpfully illustrate this debate by offering tentative examples of what might or might not be suitable in a folk venue. I wonder if members here, would be willing to post links of what they consider to be worthwhile, excellent, poor, dire etc. (all dependent on a specific hypothetical context of course.) >Holds breath and waits for scene of tumbleweed rolling accross desertlike thread....< |
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14 Nov 08 - 04:00 PM (#2494093) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Jack Blandiver This is me doing a Kipling / Bellamy classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KadKUACj_4c This isn't bad miming, just crap sync on my old video editing software. |
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14 Nov 08 - 05:36 PM (#2494165) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie Nothing bad there Insane Beard, that was bluddy fabulous! I'm most impresssed, very intrestin... Though you failed (regards the intitial posts brief), to help the uninitiated (be me) to know wetha the tubey proffered fitted any more 'collectively agreed' criterea... |
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15 Nov 08 - 03:13 AM (#2494404) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Jack Blandiver Here I'm treating YouTube as a singaround basically. I've always been troubled by notions of self-promotion which, in folkish terms, can be anything from judging oneself somehow qualified to sing a song in a singaround to having the audacity to make and promote your own CD/CD-R. On You Tube the critics are honest, often quite brutally so, which makes a change from the mutual sycophancy that typifies myspace, but video owners at least have the option of removing comments should things get nasty. This is something I never do myself, enjoying that aspect of YouTube as much as any other. A good example might be http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=993m0yRR0bg - which is a wee film I made of the annual Cheese Rolling in Chester which, for whatever reason, has stimulated some choice comments, though none of them directed at the film or its maker - or http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YVzsWVuDMm0 - my al fresco Long Lankin which at one point is dismissed as pretentious shite. Not only must the lowly folk-singer be his own agent, but also his own critic; YouTube helps one objectify oneself in a certain respect, to help see ourselves as others see us, and to perhaps draw that awareness into a wider appreciation of what might well be a more collectively agreed criteria, depending, of course, on any number of variables, or foibles, or just the plain crankiness that might compel one to do it in the first place. |
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15 Nov 08 - 08:26 AM (#2494496) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Barry Finn What happened? They're all no longer available. Barry |
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15 Nov 08 - 08:43 AM (#2494502) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST,Rafflesbear It ain't 'appening for me either - do we need another shilling in the meter ? |
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15 Nov 08 - 09:18 AM (#2494517) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST,Rafflesbear let's try splitting it - I have a wonderful example of the truly dire recorded at a folk club - sounds more like a primary school music lesson that's not going too well - but because of Folk Club Manners I ain't going public !!! |
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15 Nov 08 - 09:19 AM (#2494518) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST on the other hand I love these guys and especially the little wiggle Whip Jamboree also - Mr nice-guy himself Ed Mulrooney |
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15 Nov 08 - 09:20 AM (#2494520) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST,Rafflesbear plus the only duo I know who come to brilliance from the other direction TDL and for something a bit different how about this Stellar Art Wars (the last one was me as well) |
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15 Nov 08 - 09:25 AM (#2494527) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie Comments on the cheese rolling vid are utterly hysterical. But I like the ref to the evidently more manly Gloustershire fest best, "Real men, real cheese!" ...excellent. Anyone else willing to put their tubeys up? |
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15 Nov 08 - 10:22 AM (#2494562) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Dave the Gnome Hi Sleepy Rosie Pete Ryder Just posted it on the Manners thread. Did you pick up the Pagan-ish album yet? Pick up 'Lionize' as well - 25 years of live music at the White Lion. Cheers DeG |
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15 Nov 08 - 11:05 AM (#2494573) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Dead Horse This pair will never amount to anything. Trust me, I am a critic you know :-) |
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16 Nov 08 - 05:55 AM (#2494991) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST,Rafflesbear I challenge you to watch this without smiling :-D chuckleworthy |
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16 Nov 08 - 06:05 AM (#2494993) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Jack Blandiver Sacrilege! Here's the original, as sung by The Avalon Boys: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A29n5-ZSW1w One of those rare moments when the Logos reveals its smiling face to humanity through the medium of great art... |
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16 Nov 08 - 06:12 AM (#2494996) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: ard mhacha Brilliant Rafflesbear,very funny. |
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16 Nov 08 - 07:19 AM (#2495017) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: RangerSteve I prefer version that Insane Beard mentioned. What a great way to start a morning. Thanks. |
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16 Nov 08 - 07:29 AM (#2495019) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Gedi Those cheese rolling comments were brilliant, not laughed so much for ages! Now if this poor lass turned up at the Beech (not that that's likely given that she's Japanese), I'd be outta there like a shot.... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XR3c0xlQIEM&feature=related |
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16 Nov 08 - 07:31 AM (#2495021) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Will Fly Was Doodles Weaver one of the Avalon Boys? Looks like him in the film - he went on to sing with the great Spike Jones. |
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16 Nov 08 - 09:09 AM (#2495069) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: treewind Have to agree - original Laurel & Hardy + Avalon boys is simply fabulous! A. |
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16 Nov 08 - 09:33 AM (#2495079) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie Laurel and Hardy Rock...! Would it incite riots for me as a general 'innocent' to folk, to suggest that Maddy Priors singing, was a bit err turgid and cardboardlike? >gets coat< |
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16 Nov 08 - 10:21 AM (#2495096) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Dave the Gnome Nah, would it heck, Sleepy Rosie. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. As long as you accept that mine is right:-) DeF |
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16 Nov 08 - 10:25 AM (#2495101) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Will Fly All the world's queer, Sleepy Rosie, save thee and me - and I'm not so sure about thee... :-) I think Maddy's voice on the early Steeleye albums was very pure and clear and quite delightful but - as the cunning D el G has intimated - it's all personal taste in the end. |
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16 Nov 08 - 12:03 PM (#2495182) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie As an amatuer singer, I've been told that my voice is "very pure, beautiful and clear", which of course is jolly nice to hear an awl that. Objectively however, I can hear both the qualities of my voice alongside it's limitations: meaning I can see that I have plenty of 'prettiness/light' but lack enough 'dirt/earth' for my own taste. I dunno wht I can do about that, except possibly run with what stregths I may have... But then I've read on this same forum, that pure and lovely voices, just aint interesting for folk song. They are dull. And as a listener, though I probably sit somewhere in the middle, I do well understand that complaint. For as a listener, I'd probably be more interested in a more rough yet innovative vocal expression, than a classically 'lovely' one. Errgh! Thorticles? |
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16 Nov 08 - 12:08 PM (#2495187) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie I think I got me abit muddled bout what threads I was meaning to post the above question to. |
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16 Nov 08 - 05:57 PM (#2495410) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST,Rafflesbear Endearing young lady but not sure what's going on in the background Rolfie |
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16 Nov 08 - 06:20 PM (#2495431) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: peregrina Classic: 'Ah cud hew' unaccompanied here |
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23 Nov 08 - 01:19 PM (#2500620) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie Find this so charming! From the school of minimal acting... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=55w7nOtWx8s |
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23 Nov 08 - 01:29 PM (#2500634) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: VirginiaTam for cringe factor http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nyLTVZLE1rY |
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23 Nov 08 - 03:06 PM (#2500677) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Will Fly Ah - the wonderful Jo Stafford as "Darlene Edwards"! My favourite Jo Stafford persona was "Cinderella Stump" in the Red Ingle recordings "Seratun Yob" (Nature Boy) and "Timtayshun" - musical comedy perfection. |
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23 Nov 08 - 03:28 PM (#2500687) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: VirginiaTam Jonathan and Darlene's Greatest Hits vol II. Really pciks me up when I am blue. I must build my PDQ Bach collection up again. I left mine behind with daughter when I moved to UK. Really miss it. |
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03 Dec 08 - 02:59 PM (#2507071) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie I've lost the other thread that got merrily derailed in a random YouTube fest. So here's this 'un instead. Catdudepeeps, please post your random musical (non-folk) tubicles here for delectisisation and musical informisation... Whatever happened to Old School...? It's all big arses and bling now. But there's still some real rythm poets out there. This all new I recently discovered slick classy noise Ain't she de'lovely? If I were gay this would seduce... Honey, honey, honey And recent apocalyptic dreamings posted on this very list, send me back yet again to this. The most excruciatingly and impossibly exquisite Louange à l'éternité de Jésus From the Quartet at the End of Time. Sigh.... |
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04 Dec 08 - 04:34 AM (#2507449) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Jack Blandiver http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fGIelcG0r3s |
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04 Dec 08 - 10:56 AM (#2507676) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie Heh, I love that as it happens. I fink this thread is going to turn into pure self indulgence... I like virtually all the tracks off the ambienty Eno B Side of Heroes, but haven't played my dusty old stash of vinyl for a good while, quite nice to find Moss Garden And the wickedest lyricist I ever heard! From another album I havn't listened in yonks. Pity about the shite sound quality, but worth enduring for the vile brilliance of his wit. Fabulous blasphemy... Since their neurosis is what passes for normality... Beautiful - god bless you YouTube. |
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04 Dec 08 - 12:51 PM (#2507772) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: kerry and Mandy dont forget we are there to. he he he. http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=dubris22&view=videos as well as Paul Sirman, Ron Trueman-Border and mick Valentine. |
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04 Dec 08 - 12:52 PM (#2507774) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: kerry and Mandy and the great Johnny Collins as well |
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04 Dec 08 - 05:21 PM (#2508044) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie I must confess my interest is purely selfish. I adore finding new good music... In fact I need it. Please expose me? Pathetic please? This is quite good, turn it up *ear-splitting loud. Do post interesting tubes. I love interesting music....... |
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07 Dec 08 - 04:10 PM (#2509726) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: Sleepy Rosie J.J. Cale at his sublime creamy loveliest? Ohh... yeah, I think so. Do I care that no-one else gives a shite? Well no of course not, when beholding musical beauty like Your Silent Face strips my mind bare. You will miss this, if you are a musically derilect imbecile: Japanese Death Jazz. Trust me, it's quite f*ing good... ;-) Come along, I'm still convinced that the folk on this list have an obscure and interesting variety of Marmite in their musical palettes? |
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17 Dec 08 - 09:34 AM (#2517773) Subject: RE: You-Tubes: The Good The Bad and The Ugly From: GUEST,The wanderer Tap in Dentdale show 2008 for a bit of a laugh and some of you might recognise one of the nutters being featured |