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06 Jan 09 - 10:52 AM (#2532878) Subject: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Could someone confirm the dates? and who is going? G x |
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06 Jan 09 - 11:09 AM (#2532896) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl Hi George The dates I have are Fri.Feb 20 to Sun Feb 22. See you there Dave |
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06 Jan 09 - 11:15 AM (#2532906) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Oh good that'a what I thought they were. Thanks. G x |
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06 Jan 09 - 11:20 AM (#2532912) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat I will TRY to get Wild Flying Dove interested----I quite fancy it personally,but it's a long way to go ,and it would need to be "half term" ( for Karen ). |
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06 Jan 09 - 01:25 PM (#2533106) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Cats Sorry we won't be there, we will be coming back from a week in Ireland on the saturday.. there again we do fly into Exeter so you never know! |
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06 Jan 09 - 02:05 PM (#2533156) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Mrs Scarecrow I think I'll be there |
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06 Jan 09 - 03:25 PM (#2533309) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Leadfingers Let me know if you are ever doing a TwentyFour hour sing ! MUCH more fun than just twelve hours ! |
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06 Jan 09 - 07:56 PM (#2533602) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Richard Atkins I gather the A 303 is to be closed between Chiclade and Mare for 14 weeks. As this will not help those going to the reunion, the Highways Agency must have known about it !!! :>) Plan B for those going on this route ? |
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06 Jan 09 - 08:13 PM (#2533614) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Leadfingers M4 and M5 then cut back from Exeter ?? |
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06 Jan 09 - 08:53 PM (#2533636) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Richard Atkins Leadfingers good to see you awake ! Twas me first thought, time we went to bed :>) |
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07 Jan 09 - 02:31 AM (#2533738) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty 20-22 February is the reunion weekend for Radway musos as well as Middle Bar Singers....we'll be singing in the Anchor! Kitty (and Derek) |
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07 Jan 09 - 09:31 AM (#2534019) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work Hmmm... sounds like a plan...anyone recommend a B&B for cheap nearby? LTS |
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07 Jan 09 - 10:03 AM (#2534051) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: DG&D Dave Fiona and I will be holding the "Dove as a metaphysical concept" reunion on the same weekend. See you there. Dave. "...And we'll all hang on behind." |
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07 Jan 09 - 10:12 AM (#2534057) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Hope to be in the Rad. so. LTS, maybe a sneaky exchange of CDs at some point? Nobody else heard that did they?! |
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07 Jan 09 - 02:04 PM (#2534282) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot Hope Fiona and I can be there this year, but i have a horrible feeling I'm duty (Again!) that weekend............poxy bloody Navy! Wassail!! Chris |
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12 Jan 09 - 06:58 PM (#2538421) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge I may have to cheat and use my sat nav if they're closing the A303. Ah well. I love newfangled gadgets. G xx |
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12 Jan 09 - 07:14 PM (#2538434) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Will be coming down mid-week to see the outlaws: my first reunion an a'. Looking forward to it. There's always the A30 as well as the A303 and M5: we used to turn off at Taunton and "come over the top" to Honiton then Sidmouth, but your as quick (and less car-sick) going down M5 to exter then heading East! |
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12 Jan 09 - 07:18 PM (#2538435) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat I left the "Poxy Bloody Navy "in 1974,so no problems there then, but it's a BUGGER of a long way from Henley/Marlow,plus where's the nearest caravan site ?? Oh, for me old mate ,LEM(A) Robin Tedbury of the Winter Gardens (now Browns Bar) in Fore Street,with whom I used to stay ----silly sod died years ago !! (My turn next !!).But seriously-----where could we stay ?? Could bring the caravan down, but probably fucking cold , what?? Getting too old !! Answers on a postcard,please, to Agnes Weston's Sailors Rest,Portsmouth. Yours Truly, REM (Air) Oedipus Von Tittengroper,RN |
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12 Jan 09 - 07:26 PM (#2538443) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty We're treating ourselves to the RY&F again, but I note that the romantic break package ceases on 19 Feb..... Kitty |
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13 Jan 09 - 04:27 PM (#2539092) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said We're hoping to get along *grin* |
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14 Jan 09 - 04:11 AM (#2539399) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl I have this morning booked myself into the RY&F See you all there Dave |
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15 Jan 09 - 05:42 PM (#2540768) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Steve T (one of them) Ever so glad to hear a definite date. I asked Tony when I ran into him at the Exmouth Folk Club (well worth a visit - the folk club, not necesarily Tony) but he claimed I'd asked him too late when he'd already drunk too much and could no longer remember things like that. Will do my best to get there this year as I missed out last year. With a link to a different thread - I might even get a chance to try one of my only two "winter songs" which both have pagan overtones/undertones or something. |
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15 Jan 09 - 05:48 PM (#2540779) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Steve T(the same one) Sorry - ran out of fingers - it ain't necessarily right. |
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17 Jan 09 - 05:08 AM (#2541088) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Noreen ? |
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17 Jan 09 - 05:19 AM (#2541092) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot I have been pinged for guard, again! So thats me out of the frame, BO**OCKS! I've not managed a re-union for 3 years now. Hope to see you all at some point during the year. Chris |
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17 Jan 09 - 02:05 PM (#2541505) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge I'm very disappointed Phot. It's my big 30! :( ah well hope to catch up with you at some other point in the year. G x |
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17 Jan 09 - 08:09 PM (#2541786) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot Sorry George! I is getting old Too.........Spelt....HhhhhhhhEEEEEEEEEELLLpppppppp! Or in Stirling........£1 2s 6d............Ying Tong idd I po! Wassail!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Chris |
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18 Jan 09 - 02:13 PM (#2542384) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Well, thanks to MGAS 's fleeting visit to the Seven Stars at Knowl Hill on Thursday ( Fabulous evening !! Herga Kitty & Derek, trio Dave & Alison Fenner & Simon Diegan, and Jim MacClean !!), it seems that Wild Flying Dove is now amenable to the idea of attending , IF anyone out there can point us in the direction of a good,CHEAP,B & B ! Mere teachers and elderly, unemployed ex-matelots can't afford the RY & F, unless they are doing a special package ?? |
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18 Jan 09 - 04:17 PM (#2542502) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty Roger - you could try here and see what's available depending on how cheap you want it to be... Kitty |
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18 Jan 09 - 05:32 PM (#2542566) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Phot - it's time to up the Lurgi medicine again... or are you suffering from knees spelled KNEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS! So far the plan is looking workable... with a bit of family history hunting thrown in! LTS |
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18 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM (#2542619) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: the lemonade lady If i'm in devon that wkend, which happens quite a lot these days, i'll pop over and see what you are all up to! Sal |
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19 Jan 09 - 10:59 AM (#2543088) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Stayed in the Canterbury Guest house on Salcombe Rd once during a big family celebration: it was fine and reasonable price. V handy for the Radway, not too far from the Anchor. There's a whole row of guest houses/B & Bs on the road up to the Volunteer from town too. But as Kitty says, the local tourist office will prob sort you out. If you have a car and don't mind driving, we have friends in Tipton who do farmhouse B & B too. |
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20 Jan 09 - 09:08 PM (#2544622) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Hi Kitty !! Karen has a friend who has suggested a holiday cottage near, if not actually IN,the Bedford, for about £ 133-00 for two nights ( 4 people, 1 X double & 1 X Twin ).If it's still available, it looks like a good deal to me !! ( Handy for the Anchor Bar !). And Herself likes the idea of a sea view !! We shall see ! I tried your link (thanks) but there was bugger -all in our price range !!(When will these pillocks acknowledge that we are entering a recession ??). All we need now is another couple to share the the cottage !! See you soon (I hope !) Roger...XX |
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22 Jan 09 - 07:23 AM (#2545914) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge . |
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03 Feb 09 - 09:06 PM (#2556662) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge refresh |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:39 AM (#2556861) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Not long to go now !! Apartment ( not cottage after all) booked and paid for,and fine company to share it with ! But much sadness about Rosie, of course----I can't get over it,she was so full of life. |
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04 Feb 09 - 05:46 AM (#2556865) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Whooo hooo!!! Looking forward to it! LTS |
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04 Feb 09 - 07:35 PM (#2557464) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Sad news indeed. (Obit: Rosie Turner-Bisset - 31 Jan 2009 ) |
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09 Feb 09 - 12:49 PM (#2561855) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot After being mucked about by work (Nothing new there!) i now have to report.................. See you there!!!!!!! Fiona and I should be there around lunchtime on Saturday. Wassail!! Chris |
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09 Feb 09 - 08:15 PM (#2562312) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Wey-hey to that! |
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09 Feb 09 - 09:43 PM (#2562361) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger See obit thread for details of Rosie's funeral .... |
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10 Feb 09 - 02:29 PM (#2562997) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Woo hoo look foeward to seeing you phot!! G xx |
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10 Feb 09 - 07:34 PM (#2563307) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Having not been to a reunion before, can someone say what is official (or even unofficial)kick-off time? And will we be in the usual (for last 2 years) upstairs Captain's Table/function room? |
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11 Feb 09 - 03:49 AM (#2563551) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: DG&D Dave Usualy Friday afternoon / evening, singing from 7 ish. It was upstairs last year. Dave o' the Dove. "And a pint of cloudy cider wouldn't do us any harm!..." |
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11 Feb 09 - 05:24 AM (#2563627) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak OOh.. goodie!! See you there Phot and Pixie.... A weekend away by myself.. I can't wait! LTS |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:31 PM (#2563975) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Not long now,Liz---let's hope the rain holds off !! BTW----Don't forget to bring duvet,bottom sheet and pillowcases, or sleeping-bag,it's up to you !! |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:37 PM (#2563988) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat By the way, does anyone know if there will be any Malodeon,Discordion or Concyeuchtina -players going ?? They're needed by Herbaceous Border on Sunday,1100 hrs outside the RY and F !!( I know 'cos it says so in Sue's 2009 Programme). |
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11 Feb 09 - 08:10 PM (#2564475) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle I could bring down my B/C button accordion, and will try to follow tunes tho' the basses don't often accord with the right hand in said instrument! Thanks for the timing info DG & D Dave. |
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12 Feb 09 - 03:23 AM (#2564663) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Liz.... Don't forget your half of the promise. I've done my bit! Ralphie |
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12 Feb 09 - 04:12 AM (#2564680) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Folkiedave A weekend away by myself.. I can't wait! Why, what do you have in mind Liz? :-) |
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12 Feb 09 - 08:21 AM (#2564818) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work Ralphie - it's been sitting on the coffee table for a fortnight now... with your name on it! Yes, I'll remember to bring bedding... anything else you want? FolkieDave - wouldn't you like to know!!! LTS |
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12 Feb 09 - 07:22 PM (#2565447) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Whatever you can spare,Liz.....Some truffles,perhaps?? A Dom Perignon '53 ?? I am bringing a Heinz '57 !! |
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13 Feb 09 - 04:27 AM (#2565696) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work I'll see what I can find... I feel it only fair to warn you (and indeed, have been instructed to do so) that I am unbearably perky first thing in the morning... and I mean first thing! I gained the title 'Tea Fairy' because at Towersey I was always the first one up and sober enough to put the kettle on... I try to stay quiet until about 7.30-8.00am, so I'll volunteer for breakfast cooking duties if you like. LTS |
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13 Feb 09 - 06:00 AM (#2565738) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Ok then, I'm up for a spot of Liz's breakfast! Address????? |
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13 Feb 09 - 07:27 AM (#2565778) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Micca She does not exaggerate!! Liz the Squeak is one of the MOST UNBEARABLY CHEERFUL people in the Universe first thing in the morning!! be Warned, their probably is a special health Hazard warning for her!!! |
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13 Feb 09 - 05:31 PM (#2566304) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty OK, Liz, so will you be up to dance with Herbaceous on Sunday morning? Kitty |
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13 Feb 09 - 06:24 PM (#2566340) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak I don't dance... not after the incident in the Black Lion that night. LTS |
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16 Feb 09 - 06:54 AM (#2568117) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Woo hoo 4 days to go. G xx |
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16 Feb 09 - 09:45 AM (#2568196) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Ok Liz, it's a deal----You get to do the breakfast ! I will be bringing some mighty fine "Royal Berkshire" traditional free-range bacon,some fresh eggs from Newnham Farm, Crowmarsh,near Wallingford,some organic baked beans & mushrooms from Waitrose,Henley,and a "Seeded Batch"wholemeal loaf,plus a nice Black Pudding from Wraysbury Farms near Staines --I shop around, you know !! I will do dinner--(probably fresh fish from the shop on "The Ham" in Sidmouth ).See you Friday !! |
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16 Feb 09 - 04:46 PM (#2568552) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak ER.. you are going to PM me the full address aren't you? Any idea if there is parking nearby? Sloe gin and Tea Fairy kit on standby. LTS |
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16 Feb 09 - 04:58 PM (#2568564) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Morticia I think we all need the address, Roger....although I have done many years of Liz 'perking' at me first thing and feel quite sure it is someone else's turn. |
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16 Feb 09 - 05:14 PM (#2568587) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Quite right Morti, what's the address Roger? We have Port and a cheese collection!!!! |
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16 Feb 09 - 05:18 PM (#2568595) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Should I bring a couple of picnic sets with me too... extra plates and all that....? LTS |
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16 Feb 09 - 07:59 PM (#2568705) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Bonecruncher No, Liz, we'll bring our own plates but you can wash up as well, for being so cheerful. Colyn. |
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17 Feb 09 - 05:51 AM (#2568980) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat Gosh,Colyn,are you coming too??And Hilary & Richard,and their friends Citizen Camambert and Mr Taylor ---what fun !! To answer Liz's question----I will get Karen to PM you with all details,as she handled the booking. But basically,you park in the car-park opposite side of road to The Bedford Hotel,look at said hotel,and it's in the same building !!I'll wave from the window if we're there first.Resounding "Yes" to extra plates and Sloe Gin,please. |
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17 Feb 09 - 09:48 AM (#2569134) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Wild Flying Dove Liz, I have sent you an email with the address. Also, details of friday evening's dinner that I'm bringing if you care to join us! I think some red wine will be in order. But I must try not to overdo it too early on in the evening! Do I gather I need to bring ear plugs for the morning? Really looking forward to the weekend, see you all soon, Karen |
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17 Feb 09 - 11:24 AM (#2569191) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,LTS pretending to do housework I don't do washing up... I do cooking. I also do eating. I'll bring the picnic sets. LTS |
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17 Feb 09 - 11:42 AM (#2569213) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Are we going to get any singing done? WLD: if you're coming to the Middle Bar bring earplugs!! |
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17 Feb 09 - 01:01 PM (#2569285) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Wild Flying Dove Hi MGAS, I suppose we should find time in between bouts of eating etc to go singing as well! Though I suspect we may do a fair bit on the way down in the car. By the way, what time do things get going and what time does the Anchor stay open to? Is there a break between lunchtime & evening on the Saturday or does it just carry on non-stop? see you soon xxxx |
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17 Feb 09 - 03:57 PM (#2569423) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty Tony Day has put together a roster of people to keep the Middle Bar singing going from 8-11 on Friday and 11-11 on Saturday (and Sunday afternoon till about 3). There's not the usual distraction on Saturday from 6 Nations matches this year, so it's possible the singing will keep going.... Kitty |
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17 Feb 09 - 04:16 PM (#2569439) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Wouldn't it be nice to have another 24 hour Sing??? I'll get me coat..... |
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18 Feb 09 - 05:11 PM (#2570365) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Is it me, or does it sound like we're making breakfast for half the population of Devon? LTS |
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18 Feb 09 - 05:44 PM (#2570397) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Yay 2 days to go. G x |
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19 Feb 09 - 05:55 AM (#2570713) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Don't worry Liz, Richard is never up in time for breakfast.... |
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19 Feb 09 - 08:08 AM (#2570779) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work So that's one candidate for the cheery greeting then! Getting excited... but may be leaving later than planned... don't ask! LTS |
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19 Feb 09 - 09:17 AM (#2570830) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: alanww Hi to all my MBS friends Sorry, I cannot make it this year, as I'm singing at ENKHUIZEN (Netherlands) "DEUNEN EN DEINEN 2009" Enjoy the Reunion! I'll see you all in the summer. "I thought I heard the old man say ...!" Alan |
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19 Feb 09 - 11:40 AM (#2570948) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Happy Birthday to me ........... etc. Woo hoo. I think I may be stumbling back to pass out after Friday's sing. G x |
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19 Feb 09 - 04:23 PM (#2571185) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Mudcat Jack Ullo everyone, I is gettin dere too! WOOF!! Jack |
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19 Feb 09 - 04:25 PM (#2571187) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty Oh my dawg.... was just going to post saying, have finished work for this week and am really looking forward to tomorrow evening, when I saw the post from Jack... well, that'll lower the tone, then I(don't tell Tone though!). Kitty |
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20 Feb 09 - 09:06 AM (#2571693) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot Throttles wide, and brakes off in T minus one hour!! Wassail!! Chris |
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20 Feb 09 - 09:19 AM (#2571704) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Heading South in approx 1 hour. See everyone later! Yippee. G xx |
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20 Feb 09 - 11:36 AM (#2571824) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot Throttles set for climb, brakes, V1, rotate! See you there!! Wassail!! Chris and Fiona |
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22 Feb 09 - 01:16 PM (#2573087) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Phot Got back about three hours ago, a really good weekend. Well done to the organisers. Wassail!! Chris |
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22 Feb 09 - 04:46 PM (#2573223) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Got back just before 4. Had a fantastic weekend. Well done to all the singers. G x |
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22 Feb 09 - 05:30 PM (#2573242) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty Really good weekend - many thanks to Tony and everyone who came, laughed, drank, sang and listened! Kitty |
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22 Feb 09 - 06:41 PM (#2573287) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Thanks to Liz of Squeakiness fame. Was banned from playing the CD in the car on the way home... Girding my loins for the morning!! Hope the Martisns play nicely for you!! |
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22 Feb 09 - 06:57 PM (#2573309) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Ralphie, you have made me a very happy woman... you have no idea how long it's been... After our assignation, I skipped like a lamb and scared small children by grinning at them... I am sated, and lie in an elated and slightly damp heap. I hope it's good for you too. LTS |
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22 Feb 09 - 09:22 PM (#2573398) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger I wonder which of you two got the better return out of that sordid little deal then?? ;-) (I suspect my vote for sheer awfulness would have been for the banjo CD ... there's just a bit too much musicality in the Martians' piece de resistible) I sincerely hope that Ralphie's neighbours are up to coping with the strain later on today - you may have a lot to answer for Liz [grin] |
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23 Feb 09 - 01:00 AM (#2573476) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie It has often been said that I leave women sated, elated and in a slightly damp heap. Never thought that the the Martians would have the same effect! Will report back on the Banjo/Tina CD. It's at the bottom of a bag I haven't unpacked yet!! Slightly worried Ralphie! |
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23 Feb 09 - 02:41 AM (#2573493) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie OMIGOD!!! What a heinous heap of pants you have inflicted on me Liz!! It's brilliant! (Mind you I haven't found a concertina on it yet...and the banjo seems to be consigned to an accompanying role!) It's up there with "Balsara and his Swinging Sitars" take on the the Sound of Music. Dreadful, Dreadful, Dreadful. I just don't have words to thank you enough for this pile of poo!! Hugs Ralphie xx Memo to anyone I don't like in my address book. Move before next Christmas. I have my present to you sorted, and I know where you live!!!! |
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23 Feb 09 - 07:06 AM (#2573595) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger "It has often been said that I leave women sated, elated and in a slightly damp heap." Hmmm ... a super-inflated ego methinks ?? I'll bet it was said by the legend in his lunchtime himself ! LOL!!! and runs for cover .... Liz - should you have inflicted this horrendous Christmas present on an unsuspecting populace ? |
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23 Feb 09 - 10:54 AM (#2573764) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat We had a lovely time in Sidmouth----The apartment we rented was very nice,with sea views---We ate well & slept well--Spent loads in the many charity shops--the weather was kind---Karen & Linda enjoyed their visits to the Anchor---"LTS" was nice,and great fun too !! I found both venues (Anchor & Radway) to be much too crowded and too hot for my liking,so neither sang nor played ! Colin Pyne at "The Bedford" did say that it would be fine if any musos and / or singers felt like going there to play as per Sidmouth Folk Week, but,although I did suggest it to one or two Radway denizens,there were no takers----perhaps,when asked by one rather pompous Melodeonist,what sort of music we might play there ,and I suggested " Irish,possibly ?",which brought about an almost apopleptic response,I should have been more cautious,and less optimistic !! The offer still stands for next year,though ! |
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23 Feb 09 - 02:12 PM (#2573982) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie With greatest respect to bubblyrat, the Radway has always been a venue for Mostly English, some Northern European, a smidge of Canadian, and most definitely not Irish! I Love Irish music. It's just that I never hear anything representative of that culture in England. Fine Girl you are (or not) and the Fields of "At Henry" isn't for me. So. Middle Bar for the singers....Great! Bedford for the mixed singer/musician stuff. ...Great! Radway for the dedicated musicians......Great! Where is the problem? |
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23 Feb 09 - 02:31 PM (#2573997) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST, topsie It sounds as if he was suggesting Irish in the Bedford, not the Radway. |
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23 Feb 09 - 03:49 PM (#2574057) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Manitas_at_home Ralphie, How can you have lived in London for so long and say that! |
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23 Feb 09 - 04:56 PM (#2574118) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger I'm intrigued .. there's the Radway for the musos, Bedford for the mixed bag, and Anchor for MBS ... but there doesn't seem to be a place for hard nut traddies like me that would inhabit the Volunteer for singing. Are we just too thin on the ground for consideration for the February weekend? Ah well, next year, as a fledgling muso of mature years, perhaps I can be brave enough to poke my head around the door of the Radway for a second time ??? (I live in hopes) |
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23 Feb 09 - 05:56 PM (#2574163) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: bubblyrat "Radway for the dedicated musicians ".......??? Well, I always thought of myself as being one of those !--I mean, I have been going (on and off) to Sidmouth since 1965. I play the guitar ( DO forgive me, please),and I can play tunes (not just chords !), many of which come from my beloved "Hardy Manuscript".I am particularly proud of my personal rendition of not only the "Waltz in G ",but also "The Seven Stars",et al.I also enjoy playing Scan Tester tunes on the harmonica. However----I realise that my musical shortcomings must be exacerbated by A) the fact that I am not OBSESSIVE about "English" music, and B) that I am not a member of the EFDSS Music Police,and am therefore able to enjoy music from other countries,viz. (in my case) Poland,Holland,Belgium,France,and ( Oh Dear !!) Ireland. Thirdly, of course, I don't play a "squeezy" thing,am not pale & pasty-faced, and actually believe in stopping occasionally in order to not only WELCOME other,visiting,musicians,but actually let them "have a go".( Even if they DO play the dreaded Guitar !) But don't worry---I shall stick to the Bedford ( And Real People, if not Real Musicians ) in future !! Enjoy your "Clique"....While it lasts ! |
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23 Feb 09 - 06:45 PM (#2574204) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger Oh dear bubblyrat ... EFDSS Music Police ... that's a term I take great exception to, as a longstanding member of the EFDSS since the 1970's while in university. I never cease to wonder where on earth that dreadful term comes from. To the best of my knowledge these days EFDSS doesn't try to police anything (although ,granted, Cecil Sharp was the biggest policeman of them all, he is long gone now). Additionally I rather suspect that if you asked around the people in the Radway the vast majority of them are not members of EFDSS anyway. I must say that, as a reader of the thread, I think your final paragraph is both generalised and less than pleasant. To the best of my knowledge the majority of the Radway denizens are neither obsessive about English music, although they do favour it, members of the EFDSS, exclusively players of squeezy things (pictures of the weekend that I've seen show trombones, tubas, clarinets, banjos etc) or pale and pasty faced etc. I set foot in there for the first time this year as a fledgling musician of mature years, having been a denizen solely of the Volunteer for some years, and did not find the Radway bunch in the least unwelcoming or cliquey .... although as one who is still in the first stages of learning to play a squeezy thing I was really not up to speed enough to be joining in. One thing that I do know is that some of the sessions (whether musicians or singers) at Sidmouth do not suit me at all... they all have their individual characters, and suit different people. I,for instance, would not enjoy a Bedford or Middle Bar session overly much, so don't go to them ... and I would also not expect to hear the same sort of repertoire in the Volunteer as would be served up in the Anchor ... although there is obviously some degree of crossover. As far as I can see it's horses for courses - to use another cliche, one size does NOT fit all - you find out which sessions are suitable for you, and go along to them... but don't expect the regulars at one type of session to necessarily be receptive to your ideas of how a session should be run, contentwise. Hopefully better luck for you next time. |
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24 Feb 09 - 01:07 AM (#2574364) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Sidmouth? Pah. Other seasides are available. Whitby. Broadstairs . . . Though I haven't been near Sidmouth for the past five years (because of one thing or another but mostly just one) and thus have little clue nor authority to speak on the subject. I first went in 1960 (or thereabouts) to dance with a school troupe. To my chagrin, we couldn't get into pubs at all despite having no problem back in Newcastle as long as any scrap of uniform was not visible (also not a problem) so it was probably us who instituted the tradition of playing as loudly as possible on the prom to drown out any GEFFs who'd left the Bedford window open It's quite useful knowing just what happens in each pub and, therefore, where to avoid. Most places, actually. During the two decades up to the mid 90s I did just that with unqualified success. I'd only step into the Radway if I'd practised for six months beforehand and that's unlikely. And not to bash a bodhrán and sing Shores Of Erin (not that this is likely either). In fact, I probably won't ever go again. And who will care? No-one, I shouldn't think. |
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24 Feb 09 - 02:29 AM (#2574377) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Herga Kitty The thread title's a bit misleading, really. The Middle Bar Singers have had a winter reunion for many years and so have the Radway musos, but the two are arranged separately and there's no guarantee that both will be arranged for the same weekend. There are some people who both sing and play and visit both pubs (and some who visit one or both but don't sing nor play), but not many. It's not a weekend Sidmouth festival reunion. Surreysinger - I had a great time in Sidmouth last weekend but it meant I missed Ray Fisher and Di Henderson at the Cellar Upstairs! Kitty |
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24 Feb 09 - 03:43 AM (#2574423) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl Hi folks I got home safely if a little hungover but had a good time As Kitty says the Radway and Middle Bar are organised seperately but I also understand there was a Festival Business meeting (The Great and Good were seen around the town) and also the younger members of the TaskForce seem to have had a reunion of there own somewhere - I saw the daughters of friends of mine with their mates. If many more of the various festival groups assemble in Sidmouth in February we could end up with a mini festival - Don't some others have winter fund raisers ( Chippenham,Alcester and Banbury to my knowledge) Dave |
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24 Feb 09 - 03:51 AM (#2574430) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Well, I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend in the Middle Bar - apart from my terrible hangover on Saturday! It was great to meet up with so many good friends & hear so many good songs!! And yes, the title is misleading Kitty! |
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24 Feb 09 - 03:56 AM (#2574431) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: DG&D Dave Much as I hate to admit it... I now believe that the Swan is the new Dove. [Deep sigh]. So, now looking forward to the Swan reunion. Love to all. Dave. "It's a song, a sigh of the weary..." |
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24 Feb 09 - 04:04 AM (#2574437) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie An apology to bubblyrat. I never meant to sound elitist about the Radway. It is indeed open to all musicians. Young, Old (mostly!!) Learners, all welcome. It's just that there is no singing....! (Having heard some of the musicians trying, thats no bad thing!!) My "Irish" comment was slightly tongue in cheek. There are some wonderful players out there. but in 30 years of sessioning, the Irish style just gets lost by everyone playing too damn fast. (as I type this I'm listening to a session I recorded of Martin Hayes. Such a joy). On a more general point, I'm with Kitty when she says it's not a "mini Sidmouth" weekend. It just seems that the song and music elements have coincided over the past few years. Jolly nice too. And it's a good excuse for the festival organisers to do some planning at the same time, and have the chance to meet us lot. Ms Archer, Deek Schofield, John Dowell popped into the Rad for a bit, and also went down to the Anchor. Personally I will stay in my spiritual home the Rad. But, I would never knock other peoples idea of a good time. And as noted above. The fact that I got the chance to meet Liz the Squeak, means that I'll never enjoy Christmas again!! So, Sorry if I've offended anyone. There are no Cliques, just horses for courses. And Surrysinger.....why not start a Volly reunion as well? Then it could really be a mini fest. |
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24 Feb 09 - 04:11 AM (#2574443) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Deek Schofield??? Sorry, I lost his A(R)se! |
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24 Feb 09 - 04:28 AM (#2574453) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Well, well, people contributing to a Mudcat thread without a clear idea of what they are on about. A confusing title? Well, well . . . If elitism = excellence, long live elitism (I think I might be repeating myself here). I escaped from the Royal Free at lunchtime on Saturday and concluded it was too late to get the Exeter train. I went to Ray Fisher and Di Henderson instead, so this is for Kitty, on the subject of those who know not how to behave: Some bloke tried to barge in on arrival as Peta Webb was mid-song. Duly restrained, he then nicked Tom Paley's seat, despite having to clamber over 15 banjos to do so. At every pause for tuning, he roared (yes he really did) - :Good Enough For Folk". Apart from it being great to see Ray Fisher fully recovered, it was a really miserable evening. The "f*lk scene"? Far too many oafish GEFFs. Stuff it. |
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24 Feb 09 - 06:03 AM (#2574502) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST, topsie "I now believe the Swan is the new Dove" I haven't been to Sidmouth for several years. Does this mean that music is now banned at the Swan? |
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24 Feb 09 - 07:02 AM (#2574523) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Oh and bubblyrat. I play the guitar too! It's that I choose not to in the Rad. takes up too much room! And if you see the pics of this years bash, you will notice a guitar in a prominent position. Jolly good player too. And we had a Cello! |
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24 Feb 09 - 07:54 AM (#2574555) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Surreysinger at work Thanks for the suggestion of organising a Volley reunion Ralphie (I thiink??) ... but remember that I'm aspiring to be in the frame for the Radway for next year!! Whether that's raising or lowering my standards I'm none too sure ... but if it's good enough for Barry Lister, then it's good enough for me, I reckon. |
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24 Feb 09 - 08:03 AM (#2574560) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Surreysinger at work Secondary thoughts - Bubblyrat ... hope my message didn't sound too tetchy (memo to self ... don't post late at night when tired), it wasn't intended to. Kitty ... yep, I'm really miffed that I hadn't realised that Ray was on at the Cellar Upstairs, otherwise I would have been there like a shot. Glad you enjoyed the Sidmouth weekend, though. |
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24 Feb 09 - 09:20 AM (#2574634) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: DG&D Dave Hi Topsie, Music, dance and song were accepted (sometimes with good grace) in the Dove, for some years prior to its closure. Last weekend no-one tried to perform in the Swan, while I was there, but I'm sure they would have been welcome. I too like the idea of a Volley reunion, although it may be hard to fit in the Friday night Ashby-de-la-Zouch folk club in the time available. Dave. "And in my very soul they sang. We never went away..." |
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24 Feb 09 - 11:55 AM (#2574753) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Ok when people have finished arguing. I started this thread and make no apologies if the title is deemed 'misleading' If you read the first message on each thread it will usually give you a pretty good idea what it is about. I don't give two hoots what music the Radway is for - I couldn't tell you where some of my songs come from and definately couldn't tell you where music comes from or what the tune is. We're all folkies and should be broad minded enough to accept that different people like different music. Enough lecturing. I enjoyed myself at the MBS Reunion and I am sure the people who went to the Radway enjoyed that too. G x |
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25 Feb 09 - 12:12 AM (#2575301) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie MBSGeorge. Glad you had a good weekend in the Anchor. We did in the Rad too! Interesting stuff re the Swan. I think that over the years the Middle Bar and the Radway people have been a bit more organised in putting on both of our reunions. Don't know about the Anchor, but one chap E Mails all the usual suspects about the Rad. Presumably it's the same for the Anchor? As for the Swan. Music certainly happens in Folk week, maybe it doesn't have that collective will to do a bash in February. I'm sure the landlord would agree to an event like that. After all it's bums on seats, and money over the bar in what could be a quiet time of the year. And, several Middle Bar T shirt wearing peeps popped into the Rad over the weekend, Hence my chat with Liz the Squeak (Hello!). So, George, as you say No more bitching. You had fun, we had fun. Don't see a problem with that. And as has been pointed out, It was also a chance for the organisers of the main festival to get to meet us fringies. (something they couldn't possibly do at the main fest). So heres to August. Kind regards Ralphie |
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25 Feb 09 - 12:19 AM (#2575304) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo I posted this a few minutes ago but it got eaten. I'm so pissed off I'll repeat it: I don't give two hoots . . . we're all f*lkies That's haunted me all day "F*lkies" horrify me, both the word and the concept. I wasn't even at Sidmouth, as previously noted, but suffered simultaneously just one GEFF in Camden Town, and that's one too many. If you don't know the provenance of a tune or song, FIND OUT. And never play or sing it out TILL YOU CAN. Not hard. But to fall short of these standards is to disrespect the music. That's shabby behaviour and, as we move into Ash Wednesday, could count as a sin worse than no other. |
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25 Feb 09 - 02:32 AM (#2575337) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Crawling about the floor just now banging plugs and things together after yet another early morning power failure (thank deity for wind up radios) and pondering on just what technological mechanism decides which of two posts uploaded simultaneously loses and how to beat it, I thought there ought to be a thread on what (after GEFFs) is the prime pissing off factor of the day. This should, possibly, be a new thread but someone else could do it. I can't be arsed and besides, most of this thread is so off-topic as to belong to a class of pissing off all on its own. Top of the list is the iPlayer, making - despite its interminable rebuffering - the missable sadly still available. Then there's deadly slow broadband loading. Why should those who live the furthest distance from the green box pay as much to Virgin Media as those who live next to it? Then there are those who think it's important to decide months in advance in which pub at whatever seaside they're going to and play stuff they may not even know. I don't know what I'm doing after 2.30 this afternoon for the rest of my life but looking at Mudcat's got to feature low on the list. Maybe I'll come across some drying paint . . . |
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25 Feb 09 - 05:47 AM (#2575386) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl I'm tempted Diane, sorely tempted, but I've had enough of your ranting and am not going to give you reason to continue. Listen - we've heard your views so many times it's boring. You have your views - we don't agree and there is the end to it. The Anchor(and The Radway) group has its own ethos which we accept as what we want - You don't have to like it and are welcome to stay away. You see some of what we do as disrespectful to the music/song but what we do we do for the love of it so I see no disrespect. |
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25 Feb 09 - 06:37 AM (#2575408) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Tempted to what? Take a course in contextual comprehension? Seems a good idea. For the record, I've never in my life been to the Anchor except to the women's loos from where I vaguely overheard some lugubrious wailing. Other than that, I haven't a clue what happens in the bar but if the attendees enjoy it, fine. I was simply quoting one such attendee labouring under the misapprehension that all contributors to this thread actually tolerate being labelled "f*lkies" and who boasted about knowing nothing about music and caring less (or words to that effect) which sounds mightily disrespectful and dismissive of both the tradition and of musicians in general. If I was "ranting" it was against the utter pointlessness of the thread, general Mudcat tediousness and software creakiness, GEFFism at large, the unreliability of the iPlayer, power cuts and reduced broadband speed. Which I can if I want to. IF I'm in Sidmouth, that's entirely my choice (or serendipidy of circumstance). It may not be a particularly frequent event, but the history of my attendance record reaches back into mistier depths of time than that of most, if not everyone else on this thread. |
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25 Feb 09 - 08:13 AM (#2575449) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl Tempted to what? Saying that your 25 Feb 09 - 02:32 AM is more off topic than anything else that's been said in this thread. How is your power cut relevant? Dave |
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25 Feb 09 - 01:19 PM (#2575684) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Power cuts could always be harnessed to abort automatically the playback of some people's idea of "the world's worst recording", examples of which have featured prominently in this thread. Or someone could use their ingenuity to manufacture a GEFF limiter that automatically cuts off anything out of tune, or just plain awful. Lots of potential uses, really. |
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25 Feb 09 - 04:39 PM (#2575852) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Like cutting out rants and repeats? LTS |
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25 Feb 09 - 04:48 PM (#2575861) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl Yes Liz There is a certain amount of Playback from a certain quarter that could do with being cut off |
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25 Feb 09 - 05:21 PM (#2575889) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge From: Diane Easby - PM Date: 25 Feb 09 - 12:19 AM I posted this a few minutes ago but it got eaten. I'm so pissed off I'll repeat it: I don't give two hoots . . . we're all f*lkies That's haunted me all day "F*lkies" horrify me, both the word and the concept. I wasn't even at Sidmouth, as previously noted, but suffered simultaneously just one GEFF in Camden Town, and that's one too many. If you don't know the provenance of a tune or song, FIND OUT. And never play or sing it out TILL YOU CAN. Not hard. But to fall short of these standards is to disrespect the music. That's shabby behaviour and, as we move into Ash Wednesday, could count as a sin worse than no other. Diane If you want to continue being nasty go somewhere else and do it. I have been singing folk songs (mostly traditional which is why I don't know who wrote them!) since I was taught Danny Boy by my father around 25 years ago. I am not and have never intended to be a musician and therefore don't know and quite frankly don't care what particular tunes are called unless I like them and then I find out. There are far worse things than being called a 'Folkie' so if you find us so offensive then don't associate yourself with this site and please leave my thread! Thank you. G |
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25 Feb 09 - 05:25 PM (#2575892) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Ralphie thank you for your sensible comments and I just wanted to say that as I passed the Radway during the weekend the music did indeed sound lovely. G x |
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25 Feb 09 - 05:51 PM (#2575922) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo I've no idea who you are because I've never set foot in your Anchor session. But Danny Boy is certainly no "f*lk song but a parlour ditty of known authorship. Sorry you're unable to grasp the relevance of my tirade against Mudcat's flaky software and the damage inflicted by a GEFF's behaviour in the Exmouth Arms. Guess they're just two more music-related issues you don't "give two hoots" about. I do. |
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25 Feb 09 - 06:02 PM (#2575935) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl My pal George did not claim that Danny Boy was a traditional song she said her father taught her that song and what she sings now is traditional. I'm sorry your evening was spoilt by a lout (incidentaly that sort of behaviour would have been frowned upon in the Anchor) but that had nothing to do with what went on in Sidmouth and you have just used that incident as an excuse to put forward your usual arguments against a festival that you have fallen out of love with (if you ever had any love for it) Probably time to end the Thread anyway. Dave (who regrets ever having risen to Dianes bait and will try to avoid doing so in the future) |
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26 Feb 09 - 02:41 AM (#2576179) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Oh my! Since you have such a startling insight into my schedules and motivation for being where I am, are you now going to publish my forthcoming diary and horoscope? I'd particularly like to know where I am and why tomorrow afternoon. So much for clairvoyancy. In 2005 someone informed me that I'd be missing Sidmouth because Steve Heap wasn't running it. Don't know if they told him that too . . . But don't look to me for your bait. I have a composting bin and so wouldn't even throw you a stale crust. |
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26 Feb 09 - 05:03 AM (#2576224) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Eye Lander Now I remember why I stopped looking at Mudcat. I think I'll goaway again. |
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26 Feb 09 - 08:48 AM (#2576313) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "I'd particularly like to know where I am and why tomorrow afternoon." It's off topic of course, but you could do worse than go to The Royal Oak in Lewes to see Faustus. |
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26 Feb 09 - 09:18 AM (#2576344) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Thank you Breton Cap for defending me. Would anyone who wishes to make further comments relevant to this tirade from Diane Easby make them on the thread titled - Is it possible 2 block user from mudcat? - rather than on this thread which was intended to be about last weekend's singing and music. As anyone looking at this new thread will see Ms Easby has thoroughly upset me with her personal attack. Thanks G x
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26 Feb 09 - 04:39 PM (#2576708) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,GUEST?? George Have read the above, mainly with bewilderment. At least I've confirmed why I never joined mudcat – much prefer a good singaround or session with relaxed and pleasant company. Speaking of which, I enjoyed the weekend (and your singing). Sorry I never got round to singing Tracks in the Snow as requested but you probably sing it better than me anyway. |
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26 Feb 09 - 05:09 PM (#2576729) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Jane Bird "the Swan is the new Dove" ... ??? Really? In the sence that there's no music? I rather miss The Dove. |
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26 Feb 09 - 06:49 PM (#2576814) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger George ... re the weekend,if it's any consolation, I've found the thread (where it relates to that, and other sides issues - such as Ralphie and Liz the Squeak's assignation!!) interesting, if a bit frustrating as I would have liked to have been down there - maybe next year (as I said above). :-) |
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26 Feb 09 - 09:04 PM (#2576897) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Since I have no idea what a GEFF is, most of Ms Easby's negative remarks mean nothing to me. (She'll no doubt call me naive for this, but if she chooses to speak in jargonese....). I do not see how she can deign to be so critical of something she admits she's never been to (namely the Middle Bar): it only goes to show that her criticism means absolutely zilch (don't let her upset you George)and should be treated with the contempt it deserves. For me, it was a tremendously enjoyable weekend, and nothing you can say, Ms Easby, can take that away from me nor the others who enjoyed it. |
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26 Feb 09 - 09:20 PM (#2576907) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger Tattie Bogle ... GEFF ... Good Enough For Folk ... |
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26 Feb 09 - 09:22 PM (#2576911) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Aha! Now I know: GEFF....! But still doesn' really make sense, as i don't drink ale. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=geff |
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26 Feb 09 - 09:30 PM (#2576915) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle Thanks SS, guess that makes me a Geffend (see same dictionary) And what about gefugged? Guess I should gefugg off to bed now. |
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26 Feb 09 - 11:12 PM (#2576956) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Hi George. Couldn't track down the new thread that you referred to. All I want to say is PEACE people. As has been stated already. It was a lovely weekend. (Actually warmer then usual!) One memory about the Dove (late 80's??) was the silent singaround, with people pretending to sing, and the audience pretending to applaud, whilst actually doing the Guardian crossword. As for the GEFF stuff. I just think that life is too short to start climbing up on high horses about such things. We all encounter crass and stupid people in all walks of life. That is the way things are. I know what I like. I also know what I don't like. I do the one, and don't do the other. But, I don't diss people who disagree with me. Example. I Love Marmite, and hate Celery...If I was to come across someone with the opposite view, which of us would be right?? Answer ......both of us! Anyway a new day dawns, and I've got a funeral to attend Ralphie |
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28 Feb 09 - 03:10 AM (#2577666) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Refresh |
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28 Feb 09 - 04:33 AM (#2577687) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo The disappeared thread was initiated by someone I don't know telling me I had no right to voice my views on a festival which, admittedly, I have not been at for several years. However, when I have been (at sporadic intervals between 1960 and 2004) it has been a capacity of little importance but I have done just about EVERYTHING from Appalachian step to workshops on instruments I can't play. What I have to say to the person who whinged is that one singaround doth not a festival make. If you actually want to lurk in a pub all day singing a cappella only, that's entirely up to you. But if you then shriek "elitism" at those who want to maintain and improve standards out of love of the English music and dance traditions, you are plain wrong. And to anyone who claims provenance and attribution of material does not matter, I will continue to contradict them. I know very well that if I did turn up at the Radway and join in with one or two tunes that I can play well, I'd be welcomed or at least tolerated. Then I'd go and do something else. As a tourist at other similar sessions I have many a time been helped generously by many an Important Musician who didn't tell me what to do but what I might do. Sidmouth is not what is was to me (OK, Ms Archer I know all the arguments) but when I do go again, I shall continue to utilise the Anchor for what it is always has been to me: a convenient loo when at a ceilidh outside. And to all those peeps who recognised my remarks as passion for music and saw no evidence of "personal attack", thanks. Shouting down from my high horse between bites of Marmite toast, that's exactly what it was, and is. PS To the man in the silly hat who advised me to go to the Royal Oak LAST NIGHT, this must be why I keep on missing it. I always thought it was on Thursday . . . |
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28 Feb 09 - 05:50 AM (#2577710) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Diane You did launch a personal attack on me and I would ask you once again please do not contribute any further to this thread as you have thoroughly upset me with your rude comments about my choice of 'cappella' singing. I have been as polite as my boiling temper can manage and have asked you nicely. Thank you. G |
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28 Feb 09 - 06:10 AM (#2577720) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Bollocks. I don't you you and have no idea what you sing (apart from Danny Boy). I corrected your misapprehension that this is a traditional song and took issue with a lackadaisical attitude to attribution and provenance, because it does matter. A lot. This I do (and will do) with anyone. It's in no way "personal", though I'd say exactly the same to someone I did know. As someone remarked in the thread that vanished, go and have your vapours elsewhere. And chew a stick of celery (if you like it). |
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28 Feb 09 - 06:47 AM (#2577728) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl Ralph got it about as right as it's gonna get Marmite not celery Celery not marmite Nobody totally right and nobody totally wrong (except that I got the day of the week wrong) And would you call the opening word of DE's last post friendly/polite,well mannered There is a thing called netiquette isn't there? Dave |
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28 Feb 09 - 07:11 AM (#2577739) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo It wasn't intended to be all that polite. If somebody's spouting bollocks, that's what I call it. A spade is a spade is a spade. As a matter of record, if I'm lied about (whether I know the liar or not), I'll say so. I "personally attacked" no-one (not even the GEFF I was holding up as an ean illustration) but am becoming just a bit tempted to wield a wet stick of celery The thread's about Sidmouth and anyone with a background (in my case in a wide range of activities) may contribute. Someone else in the vanished thread took issue with the OP trying to control who does. All I can add is that if the OP wishes to avoid being corrected on matters of fact, more attention to provenance and attribution would be A Good Thing. Getting upset about exposing glaring gaps in knowledge is scarcely a matter within my control. [PS Hat Man, if I go to Lewes I always have to leave by 11 p.m. to get a train back to civilisation. All due thanks to Valmai for offering a list of B&Bs but they're a bit (or a lot) pricey]. |
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28 Feb 09 - 09:09 AM (#2577781) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Diane I did not call Danny Boy traditional - I said I have been singing folk songs since my father taught me Danny Boy as a child - and I now mainly sing traditional songs. I have asked you to leave this thread because you are aggressive towards other people for their comments and am now reitterating this. Please make no further comments on this thread as you are using it now as a long list of complaint and your language is unacceptable for a thread which is supposed to be about the Sidmouth Winter Reunion. We are all I think a little fed up with your tirade thank you very much for your comments now please cease. G |
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28 Feb 09 - 09:58 AM (#2577803) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Ooh, there's all sorts of stuff you can do on an awayday in Sidders, short of resorting to a trip to the National Trust shop. A friend of mine zoomed down while visiting his daughter and got dragged into a house to play. Asked who he was, he replied that he was no-one in particular. Actually, he was on his way to the Galax Fiddlers' Convention where he played Star Spangled Banner lots better than Jimi Hendrix in front of . . . oooh, lots and lots of people. Another time, he played Bonaparte's Retreat with me at the top of Jacob's Ladder. Can't quite remember why we did this, but we did. He's the one who nearly got lynched on the Orange Blossom Special train for playing Dixie. That wasn't in Sidmouth (well, the railway line's gone) but is otherwise not surprising. I've often thought that The Byes would be a good place to sit and eat Marmite sandwiches but haven't done so yet. No-one could possibly fit in all the things to be done in Sidmouth. However, some of us are determined to try most though not all of them. |
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28 Feb 09 - 10:52 AM (#2577825) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Sleepy Rosie MBSGeorge, on an internet forum like this, you can't demand or expect that anyone not post on a thread, for whatever reason - unless of course you are a moderator. I agree that there can be just cause on occasion to politely *request* that other members stay on topic, rather than derail the entire discussion, but whether they will or not is a whole other matter. I have attempted this myself, without success! If you genuinely wish for this thread to remain on topic - instead of it degenerating into panto, it might be prudent for you yourself to simply cease publicly continuing to refer to Diane Easby, cease continuing to address yourself directly to her, and cease referring to your somewhat minor spat with her? IMO your own continued postings on the matter represent a maintenance of the disagreement, and indeed their very existance can only continue to provoke response. Some members can indeed be challenging in their manner when posting. In fact I had an onlist hissyfit reaction to another posters 'challenging' comments myself the other day! I believe we both reacted without due thought or consideration to certain things we read in the 'heated' moment, but nevertheless were able to sort it out very amicably. We took our minor differences offlist and exceedingly swiftly reconciled like grown-ups. As a consequence there's absolutely no rancour whatever there remaining. Quite frankly, I deeply disliked (and even disapproved) your publicly posted thread seeking to BAN Diane Easby for what amounted to little more than some strongly expressed opinion. Whether I like or dislike her style of posting, such action IMO *could* almost be percieved as turning a minor disagreement, into a public campaign against another individual... As a consequence, I am myself pleased to see that you succeeded in garnering little or no public support amongst the membership here, for the fulfillment of your wishes. I'm sure I'm wading in here where it's neither desired nor required. But hey, that's the nature of public fora ;-) |
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28 Feb 09 - 12:14 PM (#2577877) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak From Breton Cap: Ralph got it about as right as it's gonna get Marmite not celery Celery not marmite You both got it wrong, they are both horrible and the invention of the devil. The only good thing about marmite is it's byproduct, beer. LTS |
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28 Feb 09 - 12:22 PM (#2577884) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Well Rosie, as you can see, I'm well into "other things to do in Sidders" by now (or, as I remarked earlier, one singaround does not a festival make). I also noted, much higher up, that the all too common Mudcat trait of failing (or refusing) to read the thread was in full flow early on, with the oneupmanship of "my session's better than yours" getting under way with sing-song adherants abusing the musos and calling them a "clique". When I joined in (which I can if I want to when I have things which were more on-topic than most to say), I wasn't at any point commenting on what occurs in the Anchor (as someone called Tattie Bogle - good grief - is alleging) but on an unpleasant phenomenon at another pub many miles away where I actually was exactly a week ago, and pondering on the connection between Anchorite rejection of the importance of provenance or even a smattering of academic attribution and this GEFF who was creating havoc at the Exmouth. Never mentioned the OP (far less launch a "personal attack"). I don't know who it is, except that it's apparently not a bloke. Seems to harbour an affliction of cap-fitting syndrome. However, did I ever tell you about the first time I stayed in Sidford and got lost on the way back? Ah, perhaps I won't . . . |
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28 Feb 09 - 12:27 PM (#2577889) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Ah, yes, I was going to say about Marmite . . . When I worked at Guinness for a bit, translating legal documents that permitted francophone Africa to brew it, I discovered that it was mostly chucked away. Got loads of it free. Yum yum. And a proper casserole has to have both Marmite and celery in it. |
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28 Feb 09 - 12:50 PM (#2577913) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Sleepy Rosie "And a proper casserole has to have both Marmite and celery in it." Picked up a Marmite recipe book for 50p at an Oxfam shop t'other day. Utterly brilliant! For a skinny little paperback, it's already firmly one of the best cookery books I've got on my shelf... I got some Champagne Marmite a while ago, which tasted like cats pee or something equally iffy. By contrast, Stout Marmite which they released limited editions of rocked! But whatever happened to those fabulous marmite stock cubes that were the best ever veggie alternative to Oxo that ever there was? As for celery in casserole, I prefer lovage with all its dark green and atmosphearically fragrant herbage. Unfortunately my plant died, so it's back to the rather less potently evocative, anaemically pale and neatly defoliaged celery - out of clingwrap... |
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28 Feb 09 - 01:05 PM (#2577923) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger And how off topic is that ??[grins] |
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28 Feb 09 - 01:13 PM (#2577928) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Sleepy Rosie Oh no! I'm sure someone here already mentioned the great importance of marmite to the essental and core issues of this thread!!! :-] I do however apologise for the digression onto the delights of lovage. All my own deviant work! |
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28 Feb 09 - 01:18 PM (#2577930) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger LOL!!! |
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28 Feb 09 - 01:48 PM (#2577952) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: John MacKenzie I'm afraid I can't go to Sidmouth this year, as my Canada trip gets in the way. Still I'm sure I can reminisce about that for the next year or so. Hey, maybe I could organise a Winter Reunion! Anyone for a Quebec winter? |
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28 Feb 09 - 02:18 PM (#2577967) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Sleepy Rosie "I'm afraid I can't go to Sidmouth this year, as my Canada trip gets in the way" Well, I'm still planning to go this year... Hope I haven't annoyed too many regulars with my unwanted blatherin! ;-) |
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28 Feb 09 - 02:20 PM (#2577972) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: John MacKenzie You have too much competition Rosie :) |
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28 Feb 09 - 02:22 PM (#2577975) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Sleepy Rosie Well, that elicited a laugh out loud here! |
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28 Feb 09 - 07:30 PM (#2578175) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger Hey Rosie ... some of us are looking forward to meeting you!! |
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28 Feb 09 - 07:47 PM (#2578182) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger Sorry = I've just realised that this latest discussion about Sidmouth FESTIVAL is, of course, wildly off topic, since the subject of the thread is actually the Winter Reunion ... so presumably anyone discussing the festival itself has not been reading the original and subsequent posts properly. I profess myself guilty :-) I'll go and get me hat and coat now .... |
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28 Feb 09 - 08:26 PM (#2578195) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Tattie Bogle DE needs to be ignored to get her off this thread which she seems to have hi-jacked to her own ends.(time to up your dose of Lithium I think Diane!) She has made the false assumption the those who like the Anchor Middle bar spend the whole Festival week there: WRONG! I go to many other events in the Festival, usually buy a season ticket and use it. I often see other Middle bar singers in the concerts, etc, and I spend time in the Bedford, the Swan, the RY&F sessions too. But still enjoy those Middle bar sessions I go to, to the extent that I travelled over 400 miles each way to come to last weekend's reunion. DE's even had a go at my Mudcat name: I won't bore her with the details,as she'll no dounbt find reason to snipe at them too. But when I joined Mudcat, you were invited to create a name for yourself, rather than use your real name: there is a strong family reason for my name: it was not just plucked from the air. But in line with another forum I use, where there was a real name amnesty recently, I'll sign my real name at the bottom of this posting. To DE, go and get a life: no need to spend the rest of it upsetting people. To Middle Bar Singers, "We can laugh, drink and sing"! Let's keep on doing it! This is my last word to DE too (as per my first para). Trish Santer |
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01 Mar 09 - 03:50 AM (#2578365) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo I've already given some indication of the never-ending list of activities I get up to when at Sidmouth (where I was not last weekend for reasons already gone into). My entry into this thread was prompted (as I said before, though the apparently dyslexic and comprehension-challenged mindsets of certain song-only types bent on their own agenda have failed to grasp), was to challenge an unkind, dismissive and untrue slur from one such that musos are a "clique". I used as an example a particularly appalling GEFF scenario not at Sidmouth, together with a crass assertion from one androgynous Anchorite who didn't give a toss (or "two hoots", I believe it was) for musical attribution or provenance, to analyse this form of negative cultural apartheid. Wherever GEFFism and general inverted snobbist disdain for musical excellence began, I know not but it was certainly around long before Anchorites isolated themselves in that venue to pursue whatever it is that they do. As for the oddly-named belligerent person who accused me of saying that's ALL s/he does, I didn't as I know not the person. Some do it though. If some people are becoming "upset" at what I say about an unwelcome, ignorant phenomenon and think (wrongly) that it is directed to them alone personally, good. It just might set them thinking about the music and not just of their own narrow egos. |
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01 Mar 09 - 08:14 AM (#2578470) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: ConcertinaChap Gosh! Having looked into this thread for the first time, isn't it bad tempered, considering how pleasant the weekend was! Eye Lander> Now I remember why I stopped looking at Mudcat. I think I'll goaway again. I know how you feel. Herga Kitty> The Middle Bar Singers have had a winter reunion for many years and so have the Radway musos, but the two are arranged separately and there's no guarantee that both will be arranged for the same weekend. Exactly so. It's my job to run the Radway mailing list and to talk to Steve the landlord of the Radway to sort the reunion dates. I try and keep the reunion in line with the Middle Bar's because there are people with their homes in each session who like to look in on the other. It isn't a big thing for any of us, however, and if the Anchor dates didn't work for us we'd have our reunion at some different time. That's why I'm a little uncomfortable with a phrase like Sidmouth Winter Reunion. Ralphie> I never meant to sound elitist about the Radway. It is indeed open to all musicians. Young, Old (mostly!!) Learners, all welcome. Again, exactly so. Anne and I started going to the Radway as the rankest beginners 10 years ago. We were made welcome and are still there. Ralphie again> Anyway a new day dawns, and I've got a funeral to attend. Which I think sets it all into context. At least we gave Rosie a good send off. Chris |
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01 Mar 09 - 09:04 AM (#2578495) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo I've just been away heaving sacks of cobbles which was, I can tell you, considerably less hard work than this. Two things occurred to me: firstly ,that I had omitted to congratulate TB for such an insightful contribution. I'm sure you'll all join me in this. Not boasting or anything, but in my years of writing, during which I felt precluded from singing or playing out at all (except for the odd benefit) because balancing the two hats is really not on (many may have been relieved about this), I think I have acquired a necessarily unique perspective. Personal likes and dislikes aside, I was also unable to champion any one artist, festival or venue, nor to be a part of any "clique" or "faction" on this so-called "f*lkscene" (real or imaginary), but had to be free to investigate and analyse for myself. (As an illustration, I was banned from Jo Lustig's promotions at one stage for publicly taking issue with his managerial interference with artistic integrity but invariably went anyway at the request of the performers themselves). The other thing was to reiterate (with one 't') my overwhelming conclusion that nothing is "Good Enough For F*lk". It is everyone's absolute duty to strive to be better to the point of excellence because this music's reputation with the public at large is at stake. In these times of threat from the nasty right and Excalibur hijacking it for their own vile ends and from the dumbed down MOR mush advocated by Smoothops, Simon Cowell or whoever, Swarb's famed "the music doesn't mind" cuts it no longer. Primarily, its far too anthropomorphic: it's the music's exponents who have to mind and care. They have been entrusted with our cultural heritage which will scarcely be enhanced by one lot sitting in one pub and sniping at another. I'm getting bored and need to deal with the cobbles. Do, therefore, bear in mind: If elitism = excellence, long live elitism. |
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01 Mar 09 - 09:51 AM (#2578528) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "I'm getting bored" So are we! You've told us countless times before. |
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01 Mar 09 - 10:39 AM (#2578551) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Indeed I have, and though it may not apply to you personally, it's a maxim many would do well to assimilate and adopt so I won't be ceasing to say it until the aim is achieved. I speak for myself (I'm on no-one's affiliated list nor do I have one any longer since it was hacked in the interests of disseminating images of Angelina Jolie's tits throughout the known universe). But those who fail to strive for the proper recognition of musical excellence will be harangued until they do. Whose side are you on fer chrissake? Smoothops? |
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01 Mar 09 - 11:06 AM (#2578564) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "Whose side are you on? (expletive deleted) I'm on the side of those who try their best at whatever it is they do (singer or musician in whatever genre it may be). If they fall short of excellence I don't criticise them if they have done the best they can. I will encourage whoever it might be to keep trying and to continue to learn stuff that can be shared with the rest of us. I see no disrespect to the song or tune if the person has done their best with it.I don't know anyone who deliberately performs badly and I'd be surprised if you have. |
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01 Mar 09 - 11:55 AM (#2578597) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo So, we're in sort of agreement then. No surprise there. It's no more than stating the bleedin' obvious. However, where we might diverge (some apparently do) is that a public display of ineptitude is fine as long as the perpetrator is doing his or her "best". No it isn't. The place for a half-remembered snatch of a song which you're not sure what key to put it in or how the rest of the lyrics go is the shower and a bit of a tune that you have no idea where it comes from (or you've looked it up in thesession.org so it must be Irish, ha!) is your bedroom (or in my case, one end of the kitchen), till you get the song / tune, along with its attribution, right. Only then should you play / sing out. You'd think everyone would want to avoid making an arse of themselves in public, wouldn't you? I do. And the point is, a session IS a public place, not a rehearsal room, But what I'm saying is that the entire ethos should be NOT to screw things up because that's what the music deserves. It's not just your own reputation at stake. |
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01 Mar 09 - 12:40 PM (#2578615) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Kampervan I have to say that it's difficult to disagree with the fundamentals of Ms Easby's proposition. In the music halls, if someone was good they got applauded, if they were bad they got boo'd or pelted with rotten fruit. I've no doubt that this helped to raise the general standards of performance. In many areas of the folk world we are all expected to listen, endure and then applaud some of the most appalling performances simply because 'they're doing their best'. This does not help to spread our genre to a wider audience who can't believe some of the stuff that is heard daily in clubs up and down the country. I've taken 'outsiders' to a folk club and watched the look on their faces as they've asked 'Do you come along every week to listen to this?'. I sort of apologise and say 'Well, hang on, the next performer is really good, and you have to sit through some of the worst in order to hear some of the best.' But is that how it should be? Yes, encourage, support and help newcomers. But people should practice in private, and when they come to perform in public, thy are entitled to honest feedback. There are different levels of ability in everything, and not everyone can the world's number one. But it should never be a case of 'Oh well, it's good enough.... |
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01 Mar 09 - 02:21 PM (#2578667) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Diane Yet another personal attack on me. 'from one androgynous Anchorite' I am not 'androgynous' - my birth certificate says Georgina which I think you will find is very often shortened to George and MBS stands for Middle Bar Singer. Stop using foul language and just leave me alone please!!! G |
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01 Mar 09 - 03:14 PM (#2578712) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo foul language Angelina Jolie's tits? cobbles? I did hear that the Anchor session has "themes" (if it can think of any). So what could they do in the way of songs with naughty words? The Grey Cock (natch) The White Cock Aid (oops I mean Cockade) Me Cock's Me Own (see Simon Ritchie's repertoire for more cock songs ad infinitum) Fair Maid of Islington (that's got the lot, but it's funny so I guess not) The Buxom Lass (yeah, suburban lawnmowing . . . ) Game Of All Fours (nah, takes imagination) Bonny Black Hare (as long as it doesn't get conflated with The White Bunny) . . . Going to pub. Those who aren't can keep this one running and running. |
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01 Mar 09 - 04:34 PM (#2578743) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Cllr ho hum finally dragged into this thread! yes we do have themes- one of which is the "seasongs and shanty night" for the last seven or eight years, we raise money for the Sidmouth Lifeboat (We hold the record for raising over a grand and a half in one event one Tuesday evening session.) For the rest of the week and the reunion we raise funds for the festival. well sounds like thats good enough for folk music and government work. Cllr |
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02 Mar 09 - 01:10 AM (#2579015) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie This is getting so exasperating. Diane. Leave it. Having just been to Rosies funeral (Hi Chris and Anne), and witnessed members of her family both singing and playing with real love, your bickering and postulating is beginning to sicken me. Yes, I'm lucky enough to work with great musicians. But, also, on many occasions I have no idea what the name of a certain tune is. Does that make me a failure? I don't think so. I felt honoured to have been invited to Rosies funeral on friday. She was my friend. A fine singer and musician, and academic. That, and meeting the good people in the Radway is why I love this music. If I wanted to, I could out "Name Drop" you anytime...(Jo Lustig indeed!). but you are missing the point. The music I love is inextricably entwined with the people who perform it. Good or bad, learners or experienced. End of.... So, Diane. Just put a sock in it. There is no need for your vitriol. Life is too short for point scoring. You just start looking silly Ralph Jordan (Crap concertina player of this parish) |
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02 Mar 09 - 03:43 AM (#2579066) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Suit yourself. I'll agree that it's exasperating when people pretend to misunderstand what's been said (or not). I scarcely knew Rosie but I'm obviously sorry she's no longer here. I'd disagree profoundly with one thing Ralph says. He's no crap player and self deprecation tends to make him look rather silly. Aspiring musicians would do better emulating what he does (musically) rather than what he says. |
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02 Mar 09 - 04:23 AM (#2579082) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Diane. Don't patronise me Ralph |
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02 Mar 09 - 04:35 AM (#2579087) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo I'm not. I'm speaking the truth, as I do. I'm asking you not to put yourself down. As an afterthought, I should explain to those who don't know (or remember) just who Jo Lustig was. That is to say, a profit-obsessed impresario whose sole interest in performers was what he could make: Mr 45% took that proportion of fees for himself (that's excluding costs and expenses), after ordering his acts to perform just how and what he said. There's no-one comparable around today but as long as an attitude of "who cares, it's good enough for . . ." hangs on like a bad small, so do the dangers. And I'll be opposing them. Wherever. |
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02 Mar 09 - 04:49 AM (#2579094) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Does anyone else think it time this bickering stopped? LTS |
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02 Mar 09 - 07:29 AM (#2579169) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Surreysinger Liz - I think you know the answer to that one!! |
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02 Mar 09 - 08:43 AM (#2579198) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: My guru always said Life's too short for bickering! |
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02 Mar 09 - 09:34 AM (#2579226) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Cllr "hangs on like a bad small," whats a bad small? is it a bit like a short bickering? actually i think the answer is yes... |
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02 Mar 09 - 09:48 AM (#2579237) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST, topsie Isn't Small one of Rabbit's friends and relations? |
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02 Mar 09 - 10:15 AM (#2579258) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Mike, it's a consequence of faltering eyesight and stiffening little fingers, exacerbated no doubt by what's getting up my nose. I was never a more than competent player, so opted for what I was good at, journalism, a trade with a necessarily sole and detached perspective and thus no adherance to cliques or feuding factions. What I speak / write about is for a cause and a purpose and it would be unethical to personalise it, though this isn't to say that I don't have my own likes and dislikes and exercise a consequent choice. This is the difference between the professional and the personal. There is a parallel difference between what you might sing or play at your Great Aunt Mary's birthday party or in the bath, and what you might perform in public. Many bystanders have, of course got that. It's not hard. Nor do they inexplicably confuse a critique of sloppy, unrehearsed presentation with "personal attack". It's nothing of the sort. It's a clarion call to secure our cultural heritage. Those with any outstanding queries might care to discuss them with me offlist. [If you're dragging a rabbit into it, don't forget to spoon Marmite into the casserole]. |
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02 Mar 09 - 11:53 AM (#2579336) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Cllr i wasnt having a go at your post so much as trying to inject a small, sorry, tiny amount of humour back into the thread. I'm a dyslexic so i do get a bit cranky when people use it as a perjorative or rubbish an entire post because of error which usually makes no difference to the content. I apologise if you took it as a personal attack. 1) journalism is about selling news if it wasnt "The Sun" wouldnt be the where all the highest paid journalist are. This is with the exception of journalists who say offensive/contrary views in the hope of increasing their mailbags and readership in the newspapers they are called columnists (such as julie birchil/mathew paris) on the net they are called trolls. Im not saying that you dont hold the ideals you put forward or that all journalist are of the high standard of that of the Sun and their ilk. However Sun journalists are arguably at the top the proffesion and have a talent of taking news and putting in a very digestable fashion. There is a slant from the editor and owner which i think belies your claim that the journalistic proffesion is "journalism, a trade with a necessarily sole and detached perspective and thus no adherance to cliques or feuding factions." Again i dont decry you saying that you try to be what you say you are but i pause when you put forward a journalistic background to justify your comments. I, of course, coming from a background of being a profesional politician are balenced, fair and oh hang on... Having got that out the way i think the crux of the matter IMHO is this, the reason that people are telling you to ermmm "jog on" is because like it or not your comments are causing offence and you may not care whether you cause offence in the name of your firmly held beliefs - the problem is that by communicating them in such a fashion people will not listen to you and you do more damage in trying to communicate the views you hold so dearly. IF you dont care about that then why should others care about what you think, simply to say 'cos your right doesnt help get the view across. and back to the thread I had a brilliant time at the reunion and lok forward to laughing Drinking and singing with you all soon. Cllr |
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02 Mar 09 - 12:57 PM (#2579417) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Liz the Squeak Same here Cllr, except I'll be at the other end of England next time Sidmouth Festival proper rolls around again.... anything to stop him buying another bloody melodeon! (although it does open up the opportunity for Northumbrian pipes...) LTS |
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02 Mar 09 - 01:05 PM (#2579426) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Mike, now that we are entirely offtopic (and you haven't replied to me offlist), we may as well stay there. I didn't do my journalist training on The Sun (though a friend did - in Manchester when it was still a newspaper) but on the Morning Star (as I think you are very well aware), having just missed a Mirror apprenticeship where standards were (then) the highest (q.v. Paul Foot and Alistair Campbell, though you may not concur). I didn't say all journalists adhered to the ethics I described, but that they were those that the profession theoretically stands for and that the good people who guided me instilled into me. There is reporting, and there is editorialising. You don't get far unless you can distinguish the difference. However, like many Mudcat participants, the majority of the general readership has a problem in separating fact from opinion. Like, if it's a fact they don't like, they say 'that's just your opinion'. Veering back onto topic, here on Mudcat, some people see a condemnation of sloppy GEFFish attitiudes in what some call f*lk music and conclude, tortuously, that they are being "personally attacked". I've referred to this as Cap Fitting Syndrome. What I am saying, in essence, is that whatever they do and however they perform in private is entirely their concern and not my business. I don't have to listen or put up with it and it does nothing further to damage the music's image. But in public (and that includes sessions), it's entirely another matter. Like Mr Kampervan said, there's just far too much that is excruciatingly embarrassing going on, with 'outsiders' remarking with incredulity 'you pay money week after week for this?' It doesn't have to be like that. And shooting the messenger isn't the answer. |
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02 Mar 09 - 02:17 PM (#2579487) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Cllr i will reply off list see you in the pm's Cllr |
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02 Mar 09 - 02:31 PM (#2579497) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie Diane 1 You can't sing. 2 You can't play. 3 You can't dance. 4 You used to work on Blue Peter. And, therefore you feel you have the temerity to slag off some lovely people. I'm a Musician. Others here are Singers. You are neither. And (by your own admission) have not been to Sidmouth for years. So, What are you doing here, on a very gentle thread involving participants of a gentle meeting of friendly people in South Devon? Your aim is what? Ralph |
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02 Mar 09 - 02:45 PM (#2579516) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Ralph 1 to 3 incorrect (or at least formerly so). I can't sing these days because of a form of dysphonia . I don't play out that much because I'm not all that good (unlike you). I don't dance now because of age and decrepitude. But you know all this. 4. Correct, it's one thing I did and got music items on. So? I'm slagging off no-one. I'm criticising sloppy ideas which harm music and its public perception. You know this very well as we have previously talked about it at length. Should you wish to again, you know where I am. D |
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02 Mar 09 - 02:48 PM (#2579523) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge I don't think that in Ms Easby's perfect world I'd be allowed to breathe, let alone sing. I'm no journalist or a professional singer (I'm not totally unaccomplished) just a 30 year old (FEMALE) mum and simply write things down the way my brain processes my opinion. I do enjoy folk music as well as amature or professional singing. I will agree with one point only - yes you have a right to express your opinion but I believe that you have now over expressed. Sidmouth is somewhere I particularly enjoy singing because your ability is not judged and as I have been going for 16 years to the main festival and 15 years to the reunion I feel as though I am amongst family. The reunion has always coincided with my birthday and I can't think of a better way to celebrate than a weekend of varied song (and the odd pint). I thoroughly enjoyed the reunion this year although I think that as I get older the hangover gets worse. :0) G x |
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02 Mar 09 - 03:01 PM (#2579542) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: GUEST,Ralphie MBS George. Exactly. I'm with you 100 percent. Oh, Didn't know it was your birthday too. Congratulations. Regards Ralphie. See you next time. |
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02 Mar 09 - 03:02 PM (#2579543) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "I'm slagging off no-one. I'm criticising sloppy ideas which harm music and its public perception." But the way you go about it upsets people and they see it as a personal attack on them ( or patronising). I did say way back in this thread that there is a thing called netiquette which is there because when using email type methods of communication the recipient can't see your tone of voice, body language or facial expression to get the full nuances of your message. Surely if you are or were a journalist you must have been aware of the shortcomings of text only communications. And I still don't see why you needed to come in here in the first place and feel a tad aggravated that you have effectively highjacked the thread. Dave |
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02 Mar 09 - 03:06 PM (#2579546) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Oh and Dave I don't think you're a man in a silly hat. :0) G x |
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02 Mar 09 - 03:13 PM (#2579555) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl George I know you ,yer mum, yer man and yer lad and have done for years -I also know its a hat and i wear it for silliness But thanks - see ya in the first week of August eh? Dave |
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02 Mar 09 - 03:16 PM (#2579559) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Too right. Can't wait to warble and lurk in the Anchor. G x |
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02 Mar 09 - 04:01 PM (#2579602) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo If ever circumstances allow (a writing commission that pays well perhaps?) I'll be back at Sidders. I'll know who to seek out, and who to avoid. Not a lot new there. No, I haven't been since the end of the Heap régime (purely coincidental). Other things get in the way. What I'll want to see are spectaculars like Flame and acts like La Bottine Souriante. I know that means the Arena and I know the logistics (sorry again to Ms Archer but it was the international element that made it different from any other smalltown festival). Sessions can be anywhere but are still a window on what the public sees, It's supremely important that what happens in a couple of small pubs in an off-season Devon seaside town persuades these seaside passers-by of the excellence of our cultural heritage. It's a burden you should be glad to bear. |
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02 Mar 09 - 04:47 PM (#2579644) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo The hat (not McVitie) said: the recipient can't see your tone of voice, body language or facial expression to get the full nuances. No, though I can't see why it requires a face-to-face confrontation to convey the importance and excellence of this music to the outside world in the best possible light. Had I made it to Sidmouth last weekend as originally intended, you'd have been able (given the inclination and courage) to speak to me directly. There's no rocket science here. Not even originality. There are oh so many (not just in this thread and the one that evaporated) who are equally concerned, indeed horrified, at GEFFism. Does the jazz world, the baroque scene, the Sub-Saharan blues or Southern African township scene etc etc tolerate this dumbing down crapness? No. I don't think so. Case rested. |
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02 Mar 09 - 04:59 PM (#2579665) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "though I can't see why it requires a face-to-face confrontation" It doesn't but I feel that if you put your case with less invective fewer people would have their hackles raised when you express your point of view. Dave |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:16 PM (#2579680) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: TheSnail Diane Easby I can't see why it requires a face-to-face confrontation to convey the importance and excellence of this music to the outside world in the best possible light. I have watched this thread with a sort of detached amusement but that statement is a tipping point. It is the face-to-face nature of it that defines folk music for me. P.S. Breton Cap IS a man in a silly hat but an excellent fellow for all that. |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:17 PM (#2579683) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo If these hounds with high-rising hackles actually took a moment to consider the music rather than trivial socialising and boozing, they might just have time to hear what I and others are saying. It's not a "point of view" but a concerted bid to raise the profile of English trad music to the level prevailing in other cultures. Not "personal" (unless you're one of those who actually say "Good Enough For . . . "). |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:33 PM (#2579704) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "consider the music " Why do you assume that they don't? I and most of the people I have anything to do (here and in the real world) are doing what we do with the song/tune/dance because we have the greatest consideration for it - why would we trouble to learn it if we didn't. If we let ourselves and the song/tune/dance down once in a while it's more often a case of nerves rather than ineptitude in my experience ( and I like to think I have some). Dave PS Thanks Bryan |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:35 PM (#2579705) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Leadfingers 200! |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:36 PM (#2579708) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl Thank you terry :-) |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:49 PM (#2579722) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo "consider the music " Why do you assume that they don't? Here and elsewhere I see and hear far too many dismissive swipes at where this music comes from and refusal to recognise its value and importance. This is an English thing. For a couple of generations, children at school have been taught and indeed encouraged to despise and reject their cultural inheritance. Only when, after one or two more generations, they have been taught how wrong this was and to cherish it will they then add to it themselves. The sooner this is achieved, the better. But it won't until the last GEFF is eliminated. And before anyone else starts kicking off, the philosophy behind this originates not from me (I'm sad to relate) but from the English Acoustic Collective. Go and take on Chris Wood instead and see where it gets you. |
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02 Mar 09 - 05:55 PM (#2579727) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: TheSnail What's "trivial" about "socialising"? Surely folk music is social music by definition. |
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02 Mar 09 - 07:00 PM (#2579790) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: Dave Earl "from the English Acoustic Collective." Indeed! And whose web pages include this:- The EAC continues its holistic approach to traditional music making at Ruskin Mill, Nailsworth, Gloucestershire. 17 places are available for a week designed to engage fiddle players from all backgrounds and levels in the development of their own style. This year we will also open the course to non-fiddlers who are keen to develop their personal style. Now what do we think Holistic means? Clue they tell us in the phrase "all backgrounds and levels" Diane, some of us are rather more informed/widely read than you give us credit for. Dave |
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02 Mar 09 - 10:45 PM (#2579920) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Dunno what you think holistic means, but what happens is that you learn cooking at the EAC summer school as well as tunes, not that you can turn up if you can't even tune your instrument and think it doesn't matter. |
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03 Mar 09 - 01:56 AM (#2580023) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: The Borchester Echo Ralph is very formulaic when he puts people down. He makes a list of what they can't do. There was madlizziecornish who thoroughly deserves opprobrium because of her damaging disruption and harm heaped on artists' careers. Then there was mad dog Bonzo Stephen Doo Da Giles, roundly and rightly condemned for his serial music pirating activities. But then Ralph woke up one morning and decided he didn't like me either after all. So he tells you all about some of the stuff I don't or can't do any longer (actually a source of great sadness to me) but forgets to include my achievements in writing and production. Ah well, but the Mudcat list isn't all that interested. He's hopped and landed in the camp that worships that particularly English trait that glories in the cult of amateurishness and anyone-can-do-it. Talk about taking a giant hop backwards. Sidmouth used to be where you did what you thought you couldn't, where you met and learned from the hallowed giants. Now the waxing theme is "inclusiveness" which sounds horribly like "GEFFism Rules". Not a route to go down in rescuing what remains of our traditions from the clutches of the Smooth Operators' MOR mush. The quote of if elitism = excellence, long live elitism isn't really mine entirely but was co-invented with a Sidmouth stalwart and member of one of the top ceilidh bands in the land. I know there are many others who feel equally as passionately. It's hard to fathom why everyone doesn't. |
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03 Mar 09 - 05:12 AM (#2580080) Subject: RE: Sidmouth Winter Reunion 2009 From: MBSGeorge Excuse me Diane If everyone thought like you there would be far fewer people interested in Folk as if they are not excellent at it they would assume they shouldn't participate. I will be bringing my son up to enjoy all aspects of Folk and if he is interested in learning and joining in with any aspect I will positively encourage him regardless of his ability. I have performed at several festivals as a booked artist, I am not spectacular but I have never heard anyone complain that as I am not perfect I shouldn't be performing. I do not dumb down and I try to find out origins to the songs which I perform. (something which has to be done now by law) It is people like me who are bringing up today's and tomorrow's generations to enjoy and appreciate folk and who will contribute to keeping folk alive - at all levels. G
Diane, Ralphie, and others: Please keep your personal squabbles, personal. We don't care to be drawn into them. -Joe Offer- |