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10 Jan 09 - 09:55 AM (#2537036) Subject: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: VirginiaTam Whaaaa! Sittin in the naughty corner. Been put on restriction. No puddin for me. Everytime I try to go into the The Mother of all BS threads my PC crashes. I mean big time. I mean I have to rape it (push the "ON" button) to shut down. This is so mean. Little pitchers got to have enourmous ears to hear through the walls of that thread, cuz there ain't no gettin in. After several tries I got in once but I couldn't scroll to bottom of the thread. My puter locked up around Sept 07 posts and then my swearing began again. Anybody else been so punished? |
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10 Jan 09 - 09:57 AM (#2537037) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Jean(eanjay) It caused problems for me when I first tried it so now I just click on the liitle d beside the number of messages and that seems to be OK. Never tried seeing the whole thing though! |
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10 Jan 09 - 10:31 AM (#2537059) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: John MacKenzie I assume you know to click on the numbers column to the right, the underlined number. This will open it in 'pages' Specially designed for those with dial up. |
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10 Jan 09 - 10:44 AM (#2537075) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: VirginiaTam I am on broadband but no I didn't know about that trick.... thank you John and eanjay. |
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10 Jan 09 - 10:59 AM (#2537100) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Rapparee Don't try to read it all. Don't start from the beginning. Just read the latest (and DO use the little "d") few posts and then just, you know, like, exist, man. |
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10 Jan 09 - 11:03 AM (#2537101) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Ebbie I go in there from time to time and come out just reeling. |
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10 Jan 09 - 11:09 AM (#2537113) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: VirginiaTam I have now gone in and I won't go back unless I need to vent something that does not fit another thread and is not suitable for starting a new thread. Total weirdness in there. Kind of like a Bermuda Triangle for thoughts, except some do make their way out into other threads. Aardvarks is first thing that springs to mind. Random! |
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10 Jan 09 - 11:35 AM (#2537145) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Donuel Go to frequently asked questions and click extortion. |
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10 Jan 09 - 11:56 AM (#2537167) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: MMario the MOAB is more a Garden of Eden then a Bermuda Triangle. It is the breeding ground of thought and theory. It is an on going genisis machine; a coninous big bang, and home to Gluon the Duckdog and his/her Gluets. |
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10 Jan 09 - 11:58 AM (#2537170) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Alice I have never opened that thread. |
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10 Jan 09 - 12:03 PM (#2537176) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Amos The great joy of that thread is that you can open it in pages as described above by noble Rapaire and then randomly click on any of the many many many pages displayed and find yourself in a laugh-a-minute maelstrom of the most wizardly BS ever seen on this side of the ward door. A |
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10 Jan 09 - 12:07 PM (#2537182) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: VirginiaTam MOAB!!!! Finally the lightbulb goes on. M other O f A ll B s God I am so stupid. I am reading Stephen Fryy's Moab is My Washpot at the moment and trying to tie that up with Moab (of bible) and the MOAB I keep seeing around the threads had me well confusticated. Glad I cleared that up. |
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10 Jan 09 - 12:10 PM (#2537187) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Amos Well, VT, come on back, now that you know the path, and dance naked around the firepit anytime. We're always glad to hear new things! A |
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10 Jan 09 - 12:40 PM (#2537204) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Stilly River Sage I have now gone in and I won't go back unless I need to vent something that does not fit another thread and is not suitable for starting a new thread. OMG! We did try to save the whole thing back when Mudcat was on real shaky ground, back when the numbering was all goofed up. Please use the little numbers, and to shoot straight to the top, use the little "d" for "descending." Reading the MOAB is rather like reading an encyclopedia--there is a lot there that is good for you, but just because it is arranged chronologically (or in the case of the encyclopedia, alphabetically) that doesn't mean that there is a logical movement from one item to the next. Unless you've been there for a while and know some of the context. When smart asses visit to cast swine amongst our pearls we assign them the task of reading the MOAB from the very beginning. If they ever return (freds have been known to snatch up that random DNA sample as a tasty snack) they are usually much chastened. As for venting something that doesn't merit starting a new thread, you might find better placement on BS: News of Note (was 'I Read it. . . ') where we post topical stuff. I started an earlier thread and then this one to cover those little items that need sharing, that may need some venting, but don't merit the establishment of an entire thread. Post a link, please, or a quote from the source so we can all share in your pique or interest. SRS |
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10 Jan 09 - 02:24 PM (#2537293) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Uncle_DaveO John MacK and SRS, you've confused me (as is so easily done). What "little numbers"? I don't see no steenkin' numbers! Dave Oesterreich |
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10 Jan 09 - 02:38 PM (#2537306) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: JohnInKansas The breakdown into pages that you get when you click the number of posts (or the little d) is by a specific number of posts. The "page" loaded may vary a little depending on whether posts in the range are long or short, but averages about 200K per page. MOAB is currently at 542 posts, so opening the entire thread in a single click would run to something like 110MB (a rough estimate). In order to receive the download, your computer needs >110MB of free space in its Temporary Internet Files folder. Since most recent Windows systems default to use no more than ten percent of the drive free space for the Temp folder, you would need at least something more than 1GB of free space on your system drive, just to open the "page," if nothing else is already in the Temp space. Even if you had an "exclusive connection" a download is sent in "packets" of a few KB. Your computer asks the server to start, and the server sends the first packet. When your computer has received the first packet, it sends a confirmation to the server and the next one is sent, or if the packet was not confirmed as "successful" the same packet may be re-sent until a successful receipt is confirmed. If others are using the same server, each packet request may be "queued" to wait until the server can accept it, which may cause some slowdown in the download, and once your computer has sent the request for the next packet it's "waiting for a response" which in any program gives that program a "priority" that prevents you from closing the program. If someone chose to open in pages and save each page, the disk space required would be about the same ~100MB (plus a bit of cluster loss) if they noticed that all the pages have the same default title and edited the page names to add a unique page number to each save. If you don't "rename" each page, each successive page will write over the previous one since the filename is the same, and when you get done (after a very long time) all you'll have is the last page. (The same "same name" problem is common, notably when one downloads decisions from some US Supreme Court archives where all downloads are named "file.pdf.") Even with a high speed connection, a 100MB download may take a few minutes up to a half hour or so. Servers intended for downloading large files may give "priority in the queue" to computers that are in the process of a download, but at mudcat each of the 2 or 3 thousand packet requests probably will go to the end of the line. If any one of the requests fails, your computer will be "locked up" because it's waiting for the server to reply*, and you will usually be unable to close the browser. Since, at mudcat, each packet request probably goes to the end of the line, if traffic is heavy mudcat quite probably has a "time out" on the queu (in case someone gets tired of waiting and goes away), and the request may be dropped and will never be answered; but even at best it will take a very long time to complete a download of this size. The opening of the page may not have failed - it may still be trying to finish loading. * A similar result happens frequently at MSNBC News when one of the dozen or so remote servers that feeds one of the hundred or so "embedded ads" on the home page doesn't respond. The loading of the page is done, but the browser is "waiting for a reply" from the server that provides the last ad, and the browser is locked so that you can't scroll, click, or close the browser until the last reply is received. (If the adserver sends an error message, the download proceeds, but MSNBC allows idiots to advertise there.) John |
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10 Jan 09 - 02:56 PM (#2537321) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: JohnInKansas Typo: Mudcat is now at 542 pages. For Uncle DaveO (and others): In the list of threads, the number of posts in the thread is shown to the right of the title. When a thread has more than 50 posts, the "number of posts" turns into a "clicky" and when you click it you get only the first 50 posts. In the page for the first 50, there will be a link to the next 50, or to other "pages of 50 posts" that the thread may contain. Next to the number of posts, if the number has been "clickified" there will be a small letter "d." If you click on the "d" you'll get the last 50 posts in reverse order, with links to previous "pages of 50 posts." The "50 post pages" are appropriate for people on dial-up, since usually even a slow connection (or a computer with limited memory) can download that large a page without annoying delay. With a high speed connection, it probably presents a comparable "server load" to just open threads up to a hundred, or a couple of hundred, posts in one page by clicking the thread title, since "opening in pages" means you have to make another separate connection (or two or three) to go to the page you want. The "little d" lists posts in reverse order so you have to scroll down (and sometimes go to a different page) to find the post that a person is replying to. That really is only appropriate for the MOAB thread, since the only people posting there (the last time I looked a year or two ago) are typically the ones who never read the post they're answering anyway. ... ... John |
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10 Jan 09 - 04:01 PM (#2537384) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Stilly River Sage Wow! MOAB merited a JohnInKansas long explanation! If you toggle the "printer friendly" version at the top of the thread it is much smaller and in sequence. But it is still VERY large. SRS |
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10 Jan 09 - 05:57 PM (#2537513) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Liz the Squeak "It is the breeding ground of thought and theory" What, like cess pits are breeding grounds of disease and sickness? The result appears the same. (I read occasionally, I no longer paddle in it.) LTS |
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10 Jan 09 - 06:24 PM (#2537539) Subject: RE: BS: MotherBS punished my puter! From: Bee I don't go there. I get into enough trouble out here where it's relatively safe. |