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14 Jan 09 - 06:02 AM (#2539444) Subject: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: pavane From "The school of abuse 1579" Sermon by John Stockwood, Schoolmaster, 24th August 1578. Presumably a Puritan! There be not many places where ye word is preached besides the Lords day (I woulde to God there were) yet euen on that day the better parte of it is horriblie prophaned by diuellishe inuentions as with Lords of Misrule, Morice dauncers, Maygames, insomuch that in some places, they shame not in ye time of diuine service, to come and daunce aboute the Church, and without to have men naked dauncing in nettes, which is most filthie see here: School of Abuse |
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14 Jan 09 - 06:03 AM (#2539445) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: pavane Well, it doesn't actually SAY they were Morris dancers, I suppose. |
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14 Jan 09 - 07:00 AM (#2539475) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Leadfingers SKIPY ??? Have a look at this mate !! |
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14 Jan 09 - 07:05 AM (#2539481) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Megan L Liz think of all the costumes you wouldnt have to make :) |
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14 Jan 09 - 07:33 AM (#2539504) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Liz the Squeak Think of all those jokes about morris sticks and where to put the bells!!! LTS |
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14 Jan 09 - 07:39 AM (#2539512) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: bfdk Bells and whistles? |
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14 Jan 09 - 08:46 AM (#2539562) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Bryn Pugh When I was an active Morriser, certain ribald comments were made about certain Border stick dances, and the relative positioning of said sticks. This might add a new dimension to 'tool setting' . . . [I'll get my Barbour :-) ] |
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14 Jan 09 - 09:06 AM (#2539583) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: pavane Probably the Brimfield dance? Caught napping. |
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14 Jan 09 - 09:33 AM (#2539597) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Phil Edwards I read it as "naked morris dancing in 15/8", which is an even weirder image. |
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14 Jan 09 - 09:55 AM (#2539613) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: davyr "dauncing in nettes" - Would that be fish-nets, I wonder? I recall seeing a limerick somewhere that went: A Morris team from Bath & Wells Caused scenes outside pubs and hotels By dancing alfresco a lively morisco Wearing only their hats and their bells! |
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14 Jan 09 - 02:46 PM (#2539747) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Megan L It could have been worse :) perhaps the reverend gentleman misspelled nettles. OUCH |
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14 Jan 09 - 03:16 PM (#2539780) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: greg stephens You can see a wood carving of this very activity in Lancaster Priory church. I dont know if there are any images of this available on the internet. |
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14 Jan 09 - 04:03 PM (#2539812) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Bonnie Shaljean Was it something they were putting in the water in those days? They sure were into Abuse. Five years later, and still flaming away (and people say Mudcatters are bad for it): "Then every one of these men he investeth with his liveries of green, yellow or some other light wanton colour. And as though that were not gaudy enough, they bedecke them-selves with scarffes, ribbons, and laces, hanged all over with gold rings, precious stones and other jewels; this done, they tie about either leg twenty or forty bells, with rich handkerchiefs in their hands, and sometimes laid across over their shoulders and necks, borrowed for the most part of their pretty Mopsies and loving Bessies... Thus, all things set in order, have they their hobby-horses, dragons & other antics, together with their bawdy pipers and thundering drummers, to strike up the devil's dance withal; then march these heathen company towards the church and church-yard, their pipers piping, their drummers thundering, their stumps dancing, their bells jingling, their handkerchiefs swinging about their heads like madmen, their hobby-horses and other monsters skirmishing amongst the throng... like devils incarnate... and so besotted are some, that they will not only give them money to maintain their abominations withal, but also wear their badges and cognizances in their hats and caps openly." Philip Stubbes, Anatomie of Abuses, 1583 |
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14 Jan 09 - 09:01 PM (#2539877) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Jack Campin In the Easter week of [1282] (March 29-April 5), a parish priest of Inverkeithing, named John, performed the rites of Priapus, by collecting the young girls of the town, and making them dance round the figure of this god; without any regard for the sex of these worshippers, he carried a wooden image of the male members of generation before them in the dance, and himself dancing with them, he accompanied their songs with movements in accordance, and urged them to licentious actions by his no less licentious language. The more modest part of those who were present felt scandalized with the priest, but he treated their words with contempt, and only gave utterance to coarser obscenities. He was cited before his bishop, defended himself upon the common usage of the country, and was allowed to retain his benefice; but he must have been rather a worldly priest, after the style of the middle ages, for a year afterwards he was killed in a vulgar brawl. - ultimate source for that, the Chronicle of Lanercost |
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14 Jan 09 - 09:02 PM (#2539878) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Big Al Whittle 'dancing in nettes....?' is that like net stockings? |
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14 Jan 09 - 11:24 PM (#2539922) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: GUEST,leeneia I bet the nets were used similarly to blankets, as when people where tossed in a blanket. Here's an image, much more recent, of a playful activity which has been going on for centuries. tossed in a blanket I bet the men weren't completely naked. I bet they were just shirtless. If called on it, John Stockwood, Schoolmaster, would shrug and say, 'Well, yeah, I meant half-naked. So it's a typo.' |
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15 Jan 09 - 03:33 AM (#2539983) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: GUEST,George Henderson Netty is a word used in north east England for toilet!!! |
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15 Jan 09 - 04:57 AM (#2540010) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: LesB It is still being practised in the Rapper community, (especially by North British).North British Woad Dance Cheers Les |
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15 Jan 09 - 05:03 AM (#2540013) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: ThreeSheds How did they manage without fpellcheck? |
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15 Jan 09 - 05:27 AM (#2540027) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: TenorTwo The problem with naked Morris Dancing is the same as with all other varieties: not everything stops when the music does. T2 |
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15 Jan 09 - 06:11 AM (#2540054) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: pavane They hadn't even invented ſpelling then. |
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15 Jan 09 - 08:48 AM (#2540179) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Snuffy Sorry to disappoint you on the nets: try this from Diane Easby near the start of the Blacking Up thread: My grandfather's [morris] side also wore beekeeping veils to dance (a tradition recently revived by the Flag & Bone Gang) which would also have served as a disguise when they were out begging at this time of year when there was little work on the land. |
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15 Jan 09 - 08:56 AM (#2540198) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work Oh dear, North British missed an opportunity there didn't they... they could have called it the Great North Woad... I'll get me bell pads. LTS |
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15 Jan 09 - 12:08 PM (#2540463) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: LesB "I'll get me bell pads." Where would you attach them ? Cheers Les |
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15 Jan 09 - 12:12 PM (#2540464) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: GUEST,Smokey They were probably after a no-bell prize. |
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15 Jan 09 - 01:33 PM (#2540548) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: GUEST The only dancers I can think of who dance in nets are ballet dancers in tutus - the mind boggles to think of these as Morris (cross-?) dress!
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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15 Jan 09 - 01:56 PM (#2540573) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Big Mick I am not sure I will ever get this image out of my brain...... AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH. Is that Giok MacKenzie with his back to us playing the accordion? I hate Google images. I'll get me aul cap and wellies and see myself out... Mick |
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15 Jan 09 - 01:59 PM (#2540579) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Richard Bridge Funny, I thought we had agreed that Morris dancing was not ancient. |
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15 Jan 09 - 02:00 PM (#2540581) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Megan L Nah definately no Giok its no saggy enough. *heads for the door and another country as fast as possible. |
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15 Jan 09 - 02:01 PM (#2540582) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Big Mick LOL. I am no authority on Morris, Richard. I just googled it. Mick |
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15 Jan 09 - 03:37 PM (#2540653) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Tootler Morris dancing in netties!!!! The mind boggles Did he have a lifp by any chance? "...and therefore amongeft Chriftians I hope fuche beaftly brutifhneffe fhal not be let efcape vnpunifhed for whiche ende I recite it and can tell if I be called where it was committed within thefe fewe weekes. What fhould I fpeake of beaftlye Playes againfte which out of this place euery man crieth out..." Powerful stuff. |
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15 Jan 09 - 07:28 PM (#2540876) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Art Thieme Does woad dancing lead to getting the blues? Art |
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15 Jan 09 - 07:39 PM (#2540886) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: skipy Naked morris dance is alive & well! I have done it many times & will (hopefully) do many more! NOT a pretty site, I grant you, but it is my controbution to your folk world. I don't do anything else worthwhile in the folk world. Skipy, founder "member" of "scrotems to the wind morris" |
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15 Jan 09 - 10:22 PM (#2540983) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Richard Bridge So that'll make you a "ring" side then Skipy? |
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18 Jan 09 - 04:24 PM (#2542507) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: Herga Kitty Skipy - what is this rubbish about "don't do anything else worthwhile in the folk world"? You and Kate run a brilliant festival in August, and we'll be there! Kitty and Derek |
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18 Jan 09 - 06:32 PM (#2542621) Subject: RE: Folklore: Naked Morris Dancing in 1578 From: the lemonade lady Sounds like what goes around, comes around! With that time signature it could be a very interesting scene! Sal |
