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11 Feb 09 - 01:30 AM (#2563501) Subject: Hidden tracks - why? From: Dave the Gnome I got Amy MacDonald's 'This is the life' for my birthday and very nice it is. I was listening again last night and just left it in the player then, after a minute or two silence, came another track! It was Dougie Macleans 'Caledonia' followed by a pipe tune that sounded very familiar. My first reaction was surprise, then I was quite pleased then I began to wonder... Why the hell do some artists or producers or whoever put hidden tracks on CDs? Any ideas? Cheers DeG |
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11 Feb 09 - 01:37 AM (#2563504) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,jOhn to make you jump. |
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11 Feb 09 - 01:37 AM (#2563505) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,Peace For fun. |
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11 Feb 09 - 03:08 AM (#2563533) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rain Dog It was a slightly amusing idea when it first came out say 10 years ago or more. I don't see the point of them now and they just annoy me. Now hidden chapters in books,I could go along with those. Or a hidden episode in a dvd box set of a tv series. I could along with that. Or hidden pages of the newspaper, I like that idea too. |
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11 Feb 09 - 06:00 AM (#2563643) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Spleen Cringe Jim Moray's 'Adam Ant' is a great example of a hidden track. Funny, poignant and well worth the wait. Me, each time I eat a Melton Mowbray pork pie, I'd like to find another one hidden just behind it, right next to a hidden pint of Taylor's Landlord. Hello Dave, btw! |
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11 Feb 09 - 07:18 AM (#2563674) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Will Fly The most extreme example of this that I know is The Tractor's 2nd album (Farmers In A Changing World), where the hidden track was separated from the "last" one on the album by about 15-20 minutes. Any longer bidders? |
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11 Feb 09 - 07:28 AM (#2563677) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,Ed Bang! by World Party has a hidden track 22 minutes on from the last 'real' track. I remember nodding off first time I heard the album and waking to assume the CD had finished. Scared the life out of me when the CD player started on it's own 10 minutes later! |
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11 Feb 09 - 07:30 AM (#2563679) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Spleen Cringe Cop a load of this! My new favourite album cover... Thanks, Will! |
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11 Feb 09 - 07:41 AM (#2563686) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Will Fly Aha - a new convert? Great band - led by Steve Ripley, with good session players and guests like Bonnie Raitt, Leon Russell, Ry Cooder, etc. I've loved 'em for years. Steve Ripley was a key figure in getting the remains of the Texas Playboys back together for a session - hence the presence of excellent old guitarist Eldon Shamblin on one track. |
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11 Feb 09 - 07:45 AM (#2563689) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Spleen Cringe Not so fast, Will - haven't actually checked out the music yet! - just the cover. But it is a fab cover... |
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11 Feb 09 - 08:28 AM (#2563724) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Will Fly Just anticipating... hence the "?" :-) |
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11 Feb 09 - 08:36 AM (#2563740) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: clueless don I believe there was a famous hidden track on a Beatles LP. The track was something like "Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl...", or maybe it was "...a pretty fine girl...", or something like that. I was told (didn't hear it myself) that a David Bromberg LP had a hidden track, where he kept repeating BOOOONE! Debbie BOOOONE! Debbie BOOOONE! Don |
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11 Feb 09 - 08:52 AM (#2563756) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: VirginiaTam Just a gimmick A hidden bonus in my paycheque ... now that WOULD make me jump. |
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11 Feb 09 - 09:13 AM (#2563769) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,Ralphie It's just a bit of fun. On The Nic Jones Unearthed CD I put a looped track of a fragment of Nic singing in his kitchen while his kids were playing. Not a complete song, but, a lovely view of Nic at home with his kids. Could have been worse. I have one verse of Nic singing my Old Mans a Dustman, with his young daughter shouting, "Thats my dad Nic Jones....He plays the guitar!!!" .......It got vetoed by Helen (Nics daughter!) In reality, does it matter? |
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11 Feb 09 - 09:42 AM (#2563799) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine I love finding hidden tracks, at least the first time.. After that, having a 20-minute pause before the *actual* last track is just a bit annoying. Not as annoying as having "hidden track" written on the artwork though- what's the point in that? It's also possible to have a hidden track BEFORE track 1- you can only hear it by skipping backwards from track 1. The only album I know of that uses this trick is Goldie Lookin' Chain's Greatest Hits (not folk by any stretch of the imagination, though they did sample Steeleye Span on The Maggot..) The other really clever way of making a hidden track I've heard was on a 7" single by S'Express (this is turning into a Guilty Pleasures confession!) which had actually had two grooves on the B-side so that, every so often, instead of the track you were expecting, you got this weird spoken word sketch. Nearly jumped out of my skin the first time it came on. |
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11 Feb 09 - 10:10 AM (#2563820) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Nick Are they perhaps the music industry's equivalent of Easter Eggs in software programs? I always liked the flying simulator game in Excel |
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11 Feb 09 - 11:49 AM (#2563913) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Acorn4 How about songs with hidden verses - say in a 42 verse murder ballad for instance -you finish applauding then the song starts up again! |
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11 Feb 09 - 11:58 AM (#2563923) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rain Dog I like that idea Acorn4 I would like to add songs with hidden lyrics as for example "The Mysterious Axman's Jazz" |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:05 PM (#2563936) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rifleman (inactive) Great sales gimmick, plain & simple, no matter the genre of music. |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:12 PM (#2563948) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,John from Elsie`s Band Acorn4, Just imagine, after verse 21, a 5 minute time out and a cup of tea! |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:13 PM (#2563951) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rain Dog I cannot believe many people buy a cd just because they know there is a hidden track on it. |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:14 PM (#2563954) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rifleman (inactive) It happens, Rain Dog, it happens.Imahine giving tea away with the CD...sales would skyrocket!! |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:18 PM (#2563959) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rain Dog Depends if the tea was hidden or not I guess. |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:24 PM (#2563966) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Will Fly You mean as in "Depends if he ea was hidden or no I guess" perhaps? |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:28 PM (#2563970) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rain Dog My mis ake Will Fly |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:32 PM (#2563977) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rain Dog Of course you could simply hide all the tracks by just selling an empty case. |
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11 Feb 09 - 12:35 PM (#2563983) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Rifleman (inactive) Shhhhh.. don't give the majors any ideas they get enough of their own already *LOL* |
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11 Feb 09 - 02:08 PM (#2564107) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Barbara from memory: Her majesty's a pretty nice gel, but she hasn't got a lot to say Her majesty's a pretty nice gel, she changes from day to day I wanna tell her that I love her a lot But I gotta get a bellyful of wine Her majesty's a pretty nice gel, some day I'm gonna make her mine, oh yeah, some day I'm gonna make her mine (ends on the V downbeat...) I can see why you'd hide that track, if you wanted to keep your KBE.. Blessings, Barbara FWIW over here in the US, I thought it was "Amanda" not "her majesty" until I saw the text printed somewhere. |
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11 Feb 09 - 05:19 PM (#2564327) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Dave the Gnome Good points all - I think I do like the idea after all. Like someone said a bonus is a bonus after all:-) Love the idea of a bonus pie. Maybe with the pint you could find a glass of Glen Morangie hiding under it? One thing I have found myself doing - Staying right untill the end of the credits when I go and see a film. Ever since the bonus scene at the end of James and the Giant Peach oddly enough. Now that probably tells you a lot about me... :D (eG) |
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12 Feb 09 - 06:26 AM (#2564748) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Timo_Tuokkola I kind of like the idea of a bonus track at the end of a cd, as long as it isn't listed on the back. What's the point of calling it a special bonus track if everyone who buys the cd already knows they're going to get it? |
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12 Feb 09 - 06:35 PM (#2565399) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,PeterC An extra track is fine. What pisses me off is including several minutes of silence and another number in an existing track. If I hit the random play button I don't want random silences. |
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13 Feb 09 - 03:09 PM (#2566173) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Suegorgeous Barbara - I'm pretty sure it's Madge, not her majesty... |
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13 Feb 09 - 03:11 PM (#2566174) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: Suegorgeous oh, and Don - same message! :) |
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14 Feb 09 - 01:12 PM (#2566855) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,Tone Deaf Leopard Our CD "8 x2" has eight songs on, but we get requests for track nine. For a laugh, I suggested that we put on a jokey ninth track. (not a song) |
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14 Feb 09 - 01:14 PM (#2566857) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: McGrath of Harlow We generally stay put till the end credits are finished in a film, so if there's a surprise at the end we tend to see it. Typically by that time we are the only people left in the audience. The thing is, the music with the credits is part of the film, and sometimes a good part of the film. Moreover, you only get to see the song and music tracks at the very end, and there's often stuff I want to know in there. The amazing thing is how few of the songs I can generally remember noticing during the course of the film. |
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15 Feb 09 - 03:20 AM (#2567240) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: the lemonade lady I thought it could be a way of including a cover of a song but not actually going through the complications of getting the permissions for it. Sal |
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15 Feb 09 - 03:32 AM (#2567242) Subject: RE: Hidden tracks - why? From: GUEST,woodsie The weirdest "hidden" track was on was on Moby Grapes's Wow album you had to change the Deck speed from 33.3rpm to 78rpm to play it! |
