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Which has been the best decade for music

12 Feb 09 - 05:15 PM (#2565319)
Subject: BS: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,Joe Sanchez

Which has been the best decade for music?
50's
60's
70's
80's
90's
00's

If you fancy having a vote go to
http://www.thisdayinmusic.com


12 Feb 09 - 05:18 PM (#2565320)
Subject: RE: BS: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Big Mick

Difficult to answer such a broad based question. Certainly if one is talking the folk singer/songwriter, the 30's, 40's, and 50's. think Weavers, Leadbelly, Odetta, Gutherie, Seeger, Ritchie. If you are talking experimenting with old forms in new music, it's hard to top the 60's where blues, baroque, folk, rock, classical all blended in to create exciting new sounds. Think Left Banke, Buffalo Springfield, Blood Sweat and Tears, It's a Beautiful Day, Creedence Clearwater, The Byrds........ it was just a time of experimentation. Talk the Folk Revival and the late 50's and early 60's come to mind. Again, Ritchie, Seeger.......... I mean it just goes on and on.

I just don't know how to answer this one.

All the best,

Mick


12 Feb 09 - 05:48 PM (#2565343)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: The Villan

late 50'and early 60's


12 Feb 09 - 06:02 PM (#2565355)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST

I have found things to love and loathe from every decade in which I've lived, as well as from decades before my time. The question begs such a personal and subjective answer that it presents a conundrum for more than two or three people.

I know that I tend to like identifiable melody lines, understandable and reasonably literate lyrics and performances that are thoughtful and passionate, if not polished. I love harmony and variety and music that makes me think as well as feel. I can find all of those qualities in some measure in each decade.


12 Feb 09 - 06:03 PM (#2565357)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Folknacious

I don't think any of us can tell about the 60s any more - they've been so over-played, over-examined, over-hyped, over-revived and, as they say, if you were there you can remember them (or you're Joe Boyd). Nostalgia for the things surrounding the music plays strange tricks. I'd have liked to have been around in the 20s/30s to hear them live. I'm very glad to be in the 00s, we're in a golden age where what's being made now is brilliant and everything else is easily available.


12 Feb 09 - 06:16 PM (#2565371)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,Ebor_fiddler

I remember 1960's Folk Clubs as a golden time of perfect music and musicians. My tapes from that time have obviously been corrupted in some strange way   ....


12 Feb 09 - 06:19 PM (#2565372)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Jack Blandiver

They had a vote on this on British TV recently, with various celebrities making the case for each. Of course the 70s won hands down.


12 Feb 09 - 06:21 PM (#2565374)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Joe Offer

Can't say I care for much after 1975. I guess that means either that I'm getting old, or that I think any discussion of superlatives is fruitless, or both.

-Joe-


12 Feb 09 - 06:23 PM (#2565377)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: PoppaGator

The decade in which your 20th birthday occurred


12 Feb 09 - 06:36 PM (#2565401)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: C. Ham

50s = Buddy Holly and Pat Boone

60s = Bob Dylan and Yummy Yummy Yummy I Got Love in My Tummy

70s = Stan Rogers and anything disco

80s = Paul Simon's Graceland and Willie & Julio's To All the Girls I Loved Before

90s = Tom Russell's Man from God Knows Where and Billy Ray Cyrus's Achy Breaky Heart

00s = Bruce Murdoch's Matters of the Heart and Janet Jackson's Boob

I'd say there was great stuff and crap in every decade.


12 Feb 09 - 06:43 PM (#2565408)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,mg

I would say around the 1880s. mg


12 Feb 09 - 06:53 PM (#2565416)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Folkiedave

Earlier


12 Feb 09 - 07:00 PM (#2565422)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: bubblyrat

Got to be the 1960s,which actually WAS the decade of my 20th birthday,which I celebrated on the 1st of October 1967,in the Indian Ocean,17 days out of Capetown ,bound for Singapore.


12 Feb 09 - 07:07 PM (#2565430)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ebbie

I have a banjo player friend who says he would love to have lived through the "banjo's heyday", around 1910.

My friend does very un-banjolike things with his 5-string, orchestral stuff using a lot of tremolo and going way up the neck. Quite striking, really.


12 Feb 09 - 07:09 PM (#2565434)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: melodeonboy

1630 to 1640.


12 Feb 09 - 09:57 PM (#2565556)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Joe_F

I would have guessed the 1890s, but I don't know, and I don't like competitions.


13 Feb 09 - 04:53 AM (#2565706)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,Shimrod

Are we to infer that music didn't exist before 1950? I think you'll find ...


13 Feb 09 - 05:10 AM (#2565716)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: VirginiaTam

when stone age man created these


13 Feb 09 - 06:09 AM (#2565742)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: wyrdolafr

The current one, whichever it is. The music of previous decades are still there if you want it but you also have the present and the first inklings as to what the future holds.

For example, in the 1960s you had great music of all kinds appearing on both sides of the Atlantic. In 2009, the music of the 1960s (or whenever) is still around through vinyl, CD reissues, previously 'lost' recordings, boxsets with extras that never saw release originally, as well as material that had a very limited release or appeal initially and wouldn't have been heard by many people even at the time.

There's particular aspects of music I like more in any given decade, but as someone who is genuinely interested in music per se, I benefit most from the decade that offers me more and 2009 appears to offer me more.


13 Feb 09 - 06:28 AM (#2565747)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

Always the one up ahead...so 2010-2020.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

The one we are in now I call the O!-Oh's ! !
O-Oh-One, O-Oh-Two, etc.... they can't be X - they can't ask Y - they can't be lost
- because ALL of those imply a quantity or a reason or a something to loose...the poor unfortunates have nothing to subtract from nothing....(not even a backbone or navel to do a belly rub.)


13 Feb 09 - 06:33 AM (#2565749)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Stu

1970's for me.

At the time:
The Electric Light Orchestra, Punk, Supertramp, Iron Maiden, the songs we sung at Widney Free Church, Gerry Rafferty, Junior Choice, Punk, Fame (TV Series), Two Tone, Lennon, Blondie, Jasper Carrott's Magic Roundabout and Chastity Belt, Status Quo, Bagpuss, Kate Bush, McCartney, The Carpenters, Splinter, Fleetwood Mac, Meatloaf, Roy Wood, Abba.

Discovered since:
Planxty, Bothy Band. Nuff said.


13 Feb 09 - 07:23 AM (#2565776)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Jack Blandiver

The Electric Light Orchestra, Punk, Supertramp, Iron Maiden, the songs we sung at Widney Free Church, Gerry Rafferty, Junior Choice, Punk, Fame (TV Series), Two Tone, Lennon, Blondie, Jasper Carrott's Magic Roundabout and Chastity Belt, Status Quo, Bagpuss, Kate Bush, McCartney, The Carpenters, Splinter, Fleetwood Mac, Meatloaf, Roy Wood, Abba.

Not forgetting Magma:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a73XLkf43-s


13 Feb 09 - 07:40 AM (#2565785)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Stu

Crikey - I missed them first time around. Have do a bit of research on Magma.


13 Feb 09 - 07:45 AM (#2565790)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Jack Blandiver

Still going strong!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QHkBtkFqRY


13 Feb 09 - 08:22 AM (#2565818)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Sleepy Rosie

Though the nineties were roughly 'my' decade, I'd probably have to vote for my parents decade. The seventies influenced me strongly, those were the first musical noises I ever heard (probably around age two or three: King Crimson and Alice Cooper = my first musical memories).
My parents used to say: "Turn the record over before the baby starts crying."


13 Feb 09 - 09:04 AM (#2565841)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: dick greenhaus

Whichever one in which you were 16 years old.


13 Feb 09 - 09:33 AM (#2565869)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: kendall

Any pre rock decade.


13 Feb 09 - 09:39 AM (#2565875)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: SINSULL

Dick has it. At 16, you are an adult (?) and convinced that you have got it right. I discovered Dylan when I was 15 and thought I knew it all. LOL


13 Feb 09 - 10:37 AM (#2565938)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: wyrdolafr

Funnily enough, it was around the time that I was 15 or 16 (1983/84) that I realised that didn't know it all!


13 Feb 09 - 01:00 PM (#2566089)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Jack Blandiver

Yeah, me too. I thought I knew it all when I was 12, and continued in this conviction until I hit reality rather hard at 16, but a lot of my generation did around then. 1977 - the year it all changed...


13 Feb 09 - 02:25 PM (#2566133)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine

After you hit 30, the decade you were born in becomes a golden age- the decade you first fell in love/ left home/ formed a band was the most exciting, and now is invariably the worst decade for music ever.


13 Feb 09 - 03:07 PM (#2566168)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Jack Blandiver

The decade I hit 30 was a golden age! Liberation!! 40 was a bit of a bummer & I'm dreading 50. This is why I go to folk clubs of course - the only place in the world I can feel young...

Getting back to that other thread back there. This is what was #1 on the say I was born: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I2cG-ed6hw. Golden Age?


13 Feb 09 - 04:38 PM (#2566256)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Peter T.

1790 -1800 : Mozart, Beethoven, Haydn all alive (Mozart just, alas, but The Magic Flute is in there, the Requiem, etc., etc. ). Beethoven's early piano music (up to and including the Pathetique). Haydn, more great everything.

Easily the best decade ever.

yours,

Peter T.


13 Feb 09 - 10:24 PM (#2566485)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

This way lies madness.

No possible way to pick out the best decade for music in general.   I'd hate to do without Mozart completely--especially, as Peter T notes, the Requiem and Zauberfloete. (But also huge numbers of his symphonies and piano concerti--all concerti but one were written before 1790, as were all of the symphonies.

And Beethoven's symphonies 1 through 6 (my favorite, the Pastoral) were all written 1800-1810, as were all his piano concerti, the violin concerto etc.

And Schubert didn't really get going until after 1810.

Brahms, Mendelssohn, Verdi, Dvorak. Etc. Etc.

No one decade.


Now as far as popular music, it's far easier--though still not obvious. It has to be either the 30's or the 40's.   Again, I'd hate to do without Gershwin, (died 1937, I believe), but the incredible wealth of wonderful song that came out in the war years is just staggering.

Neither of them my teenage years, for sure.

Nothing in rock music can ever touch the wit, warmth, sophistication, and general high quality of the 30's and 40's. Maybe it's something about the crises the world was going through--Depression and World War II--that called out the absolute best in popular composers and lyricists.

If you want to discuss just rock music, then obviously the 60's has to be it--with the incredible ferment of different styles--and great examples of each one.

After the 60's a gradual, then a steep decline. How low can it go?

As Jerry Rasmussen noted on another thread, supposedly the top song now is "My World Would Suck Without You"

QED


14 Feb 09 - 04:47 AM (#2566580)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Peter T.

The classic joke about this in Anglo-Saxon philosophy is that from 1900-1920 progress depended on how Bertrand Russell was feeling on any given day. If he had a head cold, philosophy went nowhere. There was really no competition.

Beethoven 1800-1810

yours,

Peter T.


14 Feb 09 - 08:15 AM (#2566675)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: van lingle

From the aural evidence my favorite era would be the '20s into the 30's. This was the era of George and Ira Gershwin, Rodgers and Hart, Cole Porter, Harold Arlen, Jerome Kern, Bix Beiderbecke, the prime of Louis Armstrong and Jelly Roll Morton, Duke Ellington, Annette Hanshaw, Charley Patton, Blind Blake, Willie McTell, Jimmy Rodgers, The Carter Family, lots of great southern folk musicians and just a whole bunch of other great songwriters, bluesmen, jazzers and trad musicians too numerous to mention.
Then the '70's was a great time for Irish music with Planxty, The Bothy Band and DeDannan about and actually at present there is so much good Irish, Scottish, Galician, etc.(oh hell, Celtic music) going on all over.


14 Feb 09 - 10:25 AM (#2566734)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

Actually I think it's " My Life Would Suck Without You".   I'm sure that's a far better song than the other.   My apologies to Kelly Clarkson for getting the name wrong.

And certainly the 20's has a good claim to top decade for pop music, for the reasons just cited.

I can't imagine any decade after the 60's being in the running in any category--except most deteriorated music.

It may have something to do with the increasing influence of technology on music--how progressively easier it was to twist dials--and eliminate the human element.


14 Feb 09 - 11:08 AM (#2566759)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Faye Roche

From albums that I like, I'd say the late 60's to mid 70's (just before I was born!)

But then it's likely that there was a lot of dross that has not survived, so I can only base my opinion on what I've heard.

The best folk albums were all made before about 1974, in my opinion, though I'm sure that many can, and no doubt will, disagree!


14 Feb 09 - 11:41 AM (#2566785)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,Denzil

The 1940s - some of the best jazz ever recorded, plus superb blues and country - but that's the US only.

In the UK it has to be the 1960s - The Beatles, The Animals, the Stones, Dave Berry, Hendrix, Cream, psychedelia, the blues boom, John Peel, the folk revival, the ISB, the Bonzos, Ron Geesin, the Oz and IT scene, Marianne Faithfull - the list's endless.


14 Feb 09 - 01:02 PM (#2566847)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Little Hawk

The contribution of Nigel Tufnel has been seriously underestimated by many...I feel that he reached his apogee in the 80's.


15 Feb 09 - 10:34 AM (#2567452)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

It's true, LH.   And I have to admit that Lenfit Legin is an unjustifiably neglected artist who attained his full potential in the 90's.


15 Feb 09 - 03:34 PM (#2567732)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Richard Bridge

Probably '62 to '74. It is where ALL classic rock came from. Just leave the fraggling, soft-centred, saccharine, twee Beatles out of it. Without the bith of rock in that period there woud be no rock (as distinct from knicker-wetting pop)

A case could be made for the 20s/early 30s and American Delta music. Without that there would never have been rock'n'roll and hence no classic rock, but the groping for teen angst in the 50s and until the Mersey and London sounds of the 60s have no more claim to merit (and possibly even less) than Pulp, Oasis or Blur. The 40s and 50s gave us the Andrews sisters, and Johnny Ray. Enough said.

Some case might be made for Bob Marley and the Jamaican musical revolution. IMHO without the collision between that and Tamla Motown (and James Brown) there would be no current MoBO. Whether that is a good thing or not is another question...


15 Feb 09 - 03:51 PM (#2567748)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Betsy

60's, but I would have to have Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly included.


15 Feb 09 - 04:52 PM (#2567797)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,biff

UK 1964-71


15 Feb 09 - 05:52 PM (#2567834)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Rafflesbear

The 1840s were extremely important for folk music - that's when all the songs start - "In eighteen hundred and forty two........."


16 Feb 09 - 11:57 AM (#2568275)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

Oh, I don't know--I know of a song that starts "In 1492..."

I wouldn't think we know which year all the songs start in--but we know which month---May.


16 Feb 09 - 12:20 PM (#2568293)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Zen

It may not have happened yet...


16 Feb 09 - 11:10 PM (#2568841)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Little Hawk

Good point.


16 Feb 09 - 11:39 PM (#2568857)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

With the continuing trend toward "mechanized music" in popular music, the idea that music's best times are ahead is extremely unlikely.

And if you include classical music, there's no chance.

There's been no Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Bach etc, at least since the turn of the 20th century.   And some of the best "modern music" --some Vaughn Williams, Respighi etc.-- looks backward rather than forward.


17 Feb 09 - 07:17 AM (#2569021)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

Admittedly Mahler is great stuff, much written after the turn of the 20th century. And some verismo operas, notably Cavalleria Rusticana, also came after that point. But in both cases the music was basically conservative--that is, very tonal.

Cutting-edge classical music has not been tonal for quite a while. And that's why it will never survive. Too many current composers want to break rules just for the sake of breaking them.   But large audiences don't want to hear the result.

Whereas Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Bach, Mendelssohn, Tschaikovsky, etc. will have no problem lasting forever. New generations are learning the old music. I just recently heard on the radio--a program called "From the Top" dedicated to talented young musicians-- a 14-year old play the last movement of the Bruch violin concerto. He was phenomenal--and received with thunderous applause.


17 Feb 09 - 07:46 AM (#2569043)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Zen

With the continuing trend toward "mechanized music" in popular music, the idea that music's best times are ahead is extremely unlikely.

That is certainly a trend but there are still large numbers of enormously talented musicians and composers in all genres who eschew that mechanical or synthetic form and the future could be a very long time (one hopes!). Also the tendancy for dissonance in modern classical music may pass. So I personally remain optimistic that the best could yet be to come.

Zen


17 Feb 09 - 01:09 PM (#2569295)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: GUEST,Tunesmith

In terms of rock music(in its widest sense), one could say that the 60s must come out top because if we took a snapshot of rock at the beginning of the decade and then at the end, well, the development was truly breathtaking. For classical music,I would pick the 1830s with Liszt, Chopin and Paganini - for starters!


17 Feb 09 - 02:11 PM (#2569349)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: John on the Sunset Coast

My choice would be the 1950s. It was a period of the most eclectic, wide availability of music. (I am excluding classical and academic music for this discussion)

The '50s saw a maturation of Jazz--BeBop, Cool, Straight Ahead; Big Band Swing in it's demise; Honky-Tonk country music; Crooners and their female counterparts; Black Rhythm and Blues; and the nascent Folk Scare period; and some of the best Broadway music ever.

For Film music only, I would choose 1930s Warner Bros. film music.


18 Feb 09 - 12:29 AM (#2569738)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

Problem is: the music business is in fact a business--and the big sales are in the dehumanized "music". We have even more manufactured "stars" than ever, imitating whoever was popular last year---thanks to cultural phenomena like American Idol ( in the US), modeled after a UK program, I think.

And the main alternative seems to be rap.

I'll admit that Carrie Underwood seems to actually deserve her stardom--and that some of the new "country" singers do some good stuff (while not country).   But what Joni Mitchell talked about as the "star-making machine" is way out of control now.

There may be lots of talented composers and songwriters now who still believe in the human element. But when you talk about "best decade for music", you pretty well have to talk about the prominent figures--otherwise what are your criteria? These talented composers and songwriters are the underground, it seems. And not likely to get more exposure.

I listened to the top 50 of 2008 (videos included, as seems common these days), as determined by AOL or some other corporate entity. A cultural toxic waste dump. You're lucky to be able to understand the words--or maybe unlucky when you do.

And don't give me the garbage that that's what they said about rock when it first arrived. At least it often had a sense of humor--e.g. Lieber and Stoller.   And people had to actually be able to play their instruments--it wasn't a bath of synthesizers.

Hard to believe anybody will ever be nostalgic for any of the current offerings.

It's time for a major revolt against the studio-dependent stuff which seems to rule the "charts" these days.   People should be able to play and sing without needing an army or an industry back them up.

But as long as it sells, ain't gonna happen.


18 Feb 09 - 12:33 AM (#2569740)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: Ron Davies

And perhaps the quality of current pop music has something to do with the precipitous plunge in CD sales in recent years---of course along with the ability to cherry-pick like never before, thanks to i-Tunes and imitators--if not to get the music totally free.


18 Feb 09 - 10:44 AM (#2570021)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: SPB-Cooperator

On the basis of what I was lisntening to at the time.


1st half of 70s was the best half-decade for popular music
2nd half of 70s ditto progressive music
80s folk music
90s political music


18 Feb 09 - 10:45 AM (#2570024)
Subject: RE: Which has been the best decade for music
From: John on the Sunset Coast

Ron, I pretty much agree with you about the music business, not so much about getting music free--if that's what you meant--but certainly about the 'dehumanizing of it.

My definition of dehumanizing the music is 'laying tracks' instead of singing with the musicians or other other singers. Sometimes it works, but mostly the sound is so artificial that performers have to lip-sync live performances, or perhaps sing live (?) to prerecorded instrumentation, because the sound on the CD cannot be recreated on stage. Of course, then we have the carping about did Hit Singer cheat the audience by lipsycing, etc.

But the thing I hate the most is performs singing 'duets' with long dead singers. It's not only creepy, it makes me think they have no creative edge of their own.